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Autodescription — D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q35671055)
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What a mess[edit]
@ Egon Willighagen, DeSl: I cleaned the three following items in May 2018:
- DL-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid : DL-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q418886) see [1]
- D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid : D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q35671055) see [2]
- L-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid : L-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q27102514) see [3]
And now I see that someone create a duplicate of D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid, see D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q62912370) and D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q35671055) was changed to become ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (relative stereochemistry) with a lot of constraint violations. Can we clean that again ? Snipre.
Sometimes one statement is wrong but this is not a reason to change the label and to not consider other statements. (talk) 12:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting. Fortunately, I did not undo your cleaning. Phew. That duplicate is interesting. @Edgar181: can you tune in, please? @Snipre:, there are also a number of charged species, looking at "Related Compounds" in Scholia: https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/chemical/Q62912370 Last time I checked, the mess sometimes feels enormous, but I think this is partly the case because we've become really good at seeing the mess. But considering there are 170 thousand chemicals, with links to many Wikipedia's, I'm still pleasantly surprised how little mess there is. That said, I'm continuing my analyses and development of support tools. As I hope you have seen, I have started writing ShEx for chemistry, got one Wikidata-Chemistry nightly validation running, and last week got Bacting 0.0.5 release on Maven Central, which make it tons easier for others to test things. Denise and I are already monitoring for some months items that have the same InChIKey (and a few external identifers). Sometimes these things are hard to resolve, as linked sources can be contradicting. In the past I regular have the situation that one Wikidata items reflects multiple different compounds on linked Wikipedia pages. People make mistakes. The D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (Q62912370) duplicate seems a mistake; let's see. The second seems closer to a situation where linked resources are contradicting. That still needs to be resolved, agreed! In fact, the "(relative stereo)" annotation was incorrect. Denise, can you please revert your change? BTW, Snipre, I am not sure I know where you are located, but I hope we can sit down in person once to do some good planning, update of the WikiProject pages, write matching ShEx, etc. Do you happen to go to Berlin in autumn? --Egon Willighagen (talk) 13:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oh dear, I'm sorry that I've contributed to the mess. The changes I made were done with the best of intentions, but it looks like I was unaware of all the existing articles when I created a duplicate. Please feel free to revert any or all of the changes I've made as you see fit. Edgar181 (talk) 13:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen, DeSl, Edgar181: My understanding about the changes for this item:
- I cleaned the item but I added a wrong CAS number (related to the DL mixture). see [4]
- DeSl based on the CAS number changed the label(Changed English label: D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (relative stereochemistry)). see [5]
- Edgar181 changed the label (Changed English label: ribulose-5-phosphoric acid (relative stereochemistry)) and created a duplicate see [6]
- @Egon Willighagen: I didn't read carefully the history and I didn't identify that the title was modified by Edgar181 (edit lost in the middle of your edits): I just see the first letter Edg.
- So I proposed to clean this item by defining its label as D-ribulose-5-phosphoric acid, change the CAS number and by merging this item with the one created by Edgar18. Do you agree ? Snipre (talk) 14:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Done Snipre (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen, DeSl, Edgar181: My understanding about the changes for this item:
- Oh dear, I'm sorry that I've contributed to the mess. The changes I made were done with the best of intentions, but it looks like I was unaware of all the existing articles when I created a duplicate. Please feel free to revert any or all of the changes I've made as you see fit. Edgar181 (talk) 13:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen: I am located in the French part of Switzerland, near Lausanne. No plan to attend the WikidataCon, especially this year for familial reason. And I am not sure I can help a lot by attending the conferences: I am a specialist of chemicals, that's it. But I would really enjoy to meet once other people working in the field of chemicals and sciences to put big ideas we have on the table in order to find a plan to realize them. Best regards. Snipre (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)