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Autodescription — literary character (Q3658341)
description: fictional character appearing in written works
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NON- fictional character appearing in written works?
[edit]hello,
The definition in English says: "fictional character appearing in written works". what about characters that appear in written works, but aren't fictional? i.e. characters that appear in mythical or religious works.
I suggest that the definition should be broadened, to include all characters appearing in written works, whether they be fictional or not.
שילוני (talk) 10:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- or else, should we further narrow it down, for characters in written works, as compared to other media? should Q3658341 be a subclass of character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), where Q3658341 will only be for literary characters, and Q21070598 would be general, for characters of all forms of media? שילוני (talk) 10:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hello שילוני, currently this one is only for fictional characters from written works (it is a subclass of fictional character (Q95074)). To indicate that a mythical character appears in a written work it actually suffices to indicate the work it appears in via present in work (P1441).
- character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598) is for characters where some sources claim they are/were real and some sources they are/were not real. As literary character (Q3658341) comprises items for characters like Peter Pan (Q107190) or Winnie the Pooh (Q188574) (of which no serious source claims that they are real) it should not be a subclass of character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- So which class to use for non-fictional literary characters? And for those who is either non-fictionl or fictional (unknown)? E.g. biblical character (Q12405827)? --Infovarius (talk) 12:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- We could make it a subclass of imaginary character (Q115537581). But in this case we would need to additionally add fictional character (Q95074) (or a subclass) to any literary character that is fictional (and not mythical/religious etc.) On the other hand: do (religious) people / scholars in theology think of the bible as literature (in the narrower sense)? I'm not sure - I don't know enough about the bible and how (religious) people think of it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)
- As the root of this seems to stem from biblical character (Q12405827): In my opinions these conflicts can only be resolved by separating the historical person from their representations in religious works. There may be one item for the historical Herodes and one item for the Herodes as presented in the bible. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- We could make it a subclass of imaginary character (Q115537581). But in this case we would need to additionally add fictional character (Q95074) (or a subclass) to any literary character that is fictional (and not mythical/religious etc.) On the other hand: do (religious) people / scholars in theology think of the bible as literature (in the narrower sense)? I'm not sure - I don't know enough about the bible and how (religious) people think of it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)
I brought this up at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Biblical_characters. Feel free to join. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)