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Autodescription — fiction literature (Q38072107)
description: literature which is derived at least partly from imagination and not presented as a factual account
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actually it is strange to have subclass of (P279) literary work (Q7725634). I regard this item as a collection of all works, may be even descriptive article about works and their writing and their properties, not a class of works. --Infovarius (talk) 08:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not completely sure if I understand why you think that this statement is strange. Especially it's not clear to me what you mean with "collection of works" in this context.
- But I have a guess: Do you mean that this statement is strange because strictly speaking (via P31) fiction literature (Q38072107) has no instances? If that's the case, I agree with you. But there seems to be a tendency to classify genres via P279 in connection with any subclass of work (Q386724) (at least following talk pages like [1], [2] and a couple of genre-items) and this item is considered and used as a genre. To use P279 like this is quite a stretch on the meaning of P279-statements (you have to rephrase the description as "all entities having this item as its genre have that item as its genre"), but apart from this I see no practical problems. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Must be a subclass, not instance
[edit]Hi, Fiction (Q38072107) and non-fiction (all other) are subclasses (not instances) of Q223393. @Valentina.Anitnelav: See also this revertion, we can use both, subclass and instance.
Example using wdtaxonomy:
literary genre (Q223393) •54 ×727 ↑ ├──dictionary (Q23622) •137 ×348 ↑↑ │ ├──lexicon (Q8096) •42 ×12 ↑ │ ├──orthographic dictionary (Q378914) •8 ×4 | ... ├──non-fiction (Q213051) •20 ×116 ↑ │ ├──non-fiction literature (Q27801) •23 ×5 ↑ │ │ ├──essay (Q35760) •88 ×2054 │ │ │ ├──The Literature of Exhaustion (Q7747558) •2 │ │ ├──guide book (Q223638) •20 ×35 ↑↑ │ │ │ ├──Alpine Club Guide (Q1507066) •2 │ │ │ └──study guide (Q7628401) •1 ×2 │ │ ├──popular science literature (Q1129795) •3 ↑ │ │ │ └──scientific journal (Q5633421) •35 ×44265 ↑↑ │ │ │ ├──mathematics journal (Q2360559) •2 ×19 │ │ │ ├──public health journal (Q3428685) •5 ×5 │ │ │ ├──.... │ │ ├──specialized literature (Q1391420) •3 ×33 │ │ ├──fratire (Q5493886) •2 │ │ ├──faction (Q10493645) •5 │ │ ├──religious literature (Q12617225) •3 ×17 │ ├──josei manga (Q503106) •32 ×195 ↑↑ │ └──anime and manga genre (Q4178140) •4 ×25 ↑ ?? stop here ?? ... fiction must be a subclass to join here ... ├──fiction literature (Q38072107) •8 ↑↑↑ │ ├──lexicon (Q8096) •42 ×12 ↑ │ ├──novel (Q8261) •145 ×4739 ↑ │ │ ├──period novel (Q186602) •3 │ │ ├──historical novel (Q192239) •46 ×12 ↑ │ │ │ ├──cloak and dagger novel (Q1589214) •4 ↑ │ │ │ ├──historical romance (Q3440984) •4 ↑ │ │ │ ├──biographical novel (Q4914883) •11 ×7 ↑ │ │ │ │ ├──autobiographical novel (Q3056541) •8 ×3 ↑ │ │ │ │ └──Fictional memoir (Q3409594) •1 │ │ │ ├──alternate history novel (Q26225470) ↑↑ │ │ │ │ └──steampunk novel (Q27020789) ↑↑ │ │ │ └──historical crime novel (Q26913057) ↑↑ │ │ ├──crime novel (Q208505) •26 ×7 ↑ ... ├──fan fiction (Q461524) •37 ×3 ↑ │ ├──Slash fiction (Q1075191) •17 │ ├──fan film (Q2301591) •10 ×3 ↑ │ └──Potterfiction (Q14414034) •1 ×3 ↑ ├──contemporary literature (Q1498333) •5 ↑ │ └──New Formalism (Q1980139) •4 ↑ ├──women's fiction (Q8031151) •3 └──Blog fiction (Q26913402) •1 ╘══blog novel (Q884863) •2 ↑↑↑
--Krauss (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Krauss, the mistake is here at non-fiction (Q213051) and dictionary (Q23622) (and it was added only quite recently):
- To use something as a genre in genre (P136)-statements it has to be an instance of genre (not a subclass) - have a look at the constraints. Something should not be an instance and a subclass of the same thing. (non-fiction (Q213051) is already hurting this principle by being an (indirect) subclass and an instace of genre (Q483394), you can see it here as showing up as an issue to fix).
- You can compare the uses of P31 and P279 with literary genre here: items being a (direct) instance of literary genre, items being a (direct) subclass of literary genre.
- You see that the items being a subclass of literary genre are actually quite sparse and you also see see "real" subclasses of literary genres: Classical Chinese poetry genres (Q5128269), non-fiction literature genre (Q13405586), theatrical genre (Q15850590). You would not use these items to indicate the genre of a concrete work (e.g. you would not say that Romeo and Juliet (Q83186) is of the "genre" theatrical genre (Q15850590)) but you would use these items to characterize genres themselves (e.g. you say that opera (Q1344) is a theatrical genre (Q15850590)). Subclasses of genre (or literary genre) are classes of genres, while genres themselves group works.
- The subclass-relationships you indicate work perfectly with fiction literature (Q38072107) being a subclass of literature. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Difference
[edit]How it differs from Q268416?--Juandev (talk) 10:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- "Belletristik" (in German) refers also to poetry, gift books and comics, which is strictly speaking not fictional literature or it is at least debatable if it should be fictional literature. It is a term mostly used on the book market, not for academic classification of literature. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)