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Autodescription — banana (Q503)
description: elongated, edible fruit produced by several kinds of large herbaceous flowering plants in the genus Musa
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- Parent classes (classes of items which contain this one item)
- banana (Q503)
- berry (Q13184)
- tropical and subtropical fruit (Q27481647)
- Perennial crops (CPA 2008) (Q27480917)
- tropical fruit (Q844144)
- fruit (Q3314483) (⁂)→
- vegetable (Q11004)
- →(#@) plant-based food (Q107122728)
- food ingredient (Q25403900)
- vegetables and gourds (except potatoes) (Q46019061)
- →(@) fruit (Q1364)
- fruit (Q3314483) (⁂)→
- →(⁂) fruit (Q3314483)
- banana (Q503)
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Description is wrong[edit]
The description currently says "the fruit, not the species (use Q10757112), and not the genus (use Q8666090)"
However, there are about 40 species of banana (depending on how you count them), and naming this one as "the" banana plant strikes me as having a strong Western bias. Reducing the description to "the fruit, not the plant" would be less wrong. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Well:
- The "description" is not there to give an exact description (Wikidata is not a dictionary): it is there to disambiguate the item.
- If you had read on within the "description", you would have noticed that it also refers to "and not the genus", and the genus has more than one species.
- I don't know what you mean by "40 species of banana" (very fuzzy wording), but obviously, the discussion can be made as complex as you like (but without getting anywhere). - Brya (talk) 10:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- "The genus", in the singular, is also wrong, since there are two genera (Musa and Ensete—or three if you believe that ____ lasiocarpa forms a monotypic genus of Musella rather than merely being another Ensete species). However, it's "less wrong" to talk about "the genus" than to imply that there is only one species (i.e., that the genus is monotypic). (It's less wrong because some non-experts believe that "false bananas" aren't actually bananas. However, it's still objectively wrong and also unhelpful, because it doesn't disambiguate the item for people who aren't under that misimpression.)
- The problem with counting the number of species is that hybrids are hard to count. By some counts, there are about 40 species of banana plants; by others, there are 50 (or even more).
- IMO this fails to disambiguate the item in an important way. A statement that amounts to "the part you eat, not the plant that grows it" does not have the same problem as one that implies "there is only one kind of banana, only one genus, and only one species". WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Addition: I think that your update is a significant improvement. I appreciate it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. - Brya (talk) 05:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
csb wiki[edit]
Quotation from csb:Banan: "Banan - roscëna z rodzënë bananowców", which translates to "Banana - plant from family Musaceae". It is clearly about a plant, not a fruit. --22merlin (talk) 18:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- If it is about the plant, the question is what features of the plant it describes, and what it says about the taxonomy. Or is it focused on the fruit, describing how it tastes, the growing areas, production figures, nutritional values, etc. The focus is on the fruit, although what the page mostly is, is utterly embarrassing. Any seriously minded high-school student with fifteen minutes to spare could improve it substantially. - Brya (talk) 04:52, 23 February 2017 (UTC)