Talk:Q532

Interwiki conflict
Items involved: Q532Talk, Q5084Talk	Status:    not resolved
I doubt that ru:Село != be:Сяло. Infovarius (talk) 07:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Villages in Burkina Faso

@Ayack: - why did you tag Bana as village? [1]. English WP says town, French says commune. Tamawashi (talk) 10:05, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Tamawashi: It has a total population of 2769 so it is at the border between a village and a town... Change it if you want! — Ayack (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Ayack: Do you mean your bot used some random function on the population value of settlements in Burkina Faso, or did the bot always used village if the population was 2769? How did you program that? Tamawashi (talk) 13:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Claim made by external reference

@Infovarius:, you reverted my edit. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q532&type=revision&diff=478985617&oldid=477394595

But the statement that village is a subclass of city is supported by an external reference ontology, an ontology by the authors of UMBEL and is the successor to UMBEL after OpenCyc was closed. Wikidata is not a database of the opinions of users. (You simply said "no, that's wrong".) Rather, Wikidata is a database of claims made by referenced sources. I added the reference. This claim is valid.

I must agree that sourced statements should be. But it is nonsense. Do you believe that any village which has under 10 people in it can be called city??? Sources can also be nonsensical and outdated. We can at least mark this statement as deprecated. --Infovarius (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I marked it as deprecated and reported the error to the KBpedia authors who agree it should be fixed. They will align their definition of City to be more like Wikipedia's definition and Village will change its subclass. Jefft0 (talk) 06:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank you. --Infovarius (talk) 14:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@XXN:, please see this discussion. The statement is referenced to an external source. It was set to deprecated rank until the external source reviews arguments against this statement. The external source is now preparing a new release which should fix this, but it is still a part of the external reference. This is the purpose of the deprecated rank. I restored the version you changed. Jefft0 (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jefft0: please refrain adding questionable information to Wikidata (and any other Wikimedia project)! The statement you added is controversial and disputable, and it shouldn't be added on the basis of a single source of questionable reliability (in this case). I'd recommend you to remove this statement, restore the status quo, and don't add it again without a discussion and a consenus reached (preferably at WD:PC). We don't care of other projects and we don't wait for them to correct their errors in order to correct errors in our project. You probably don't know the fact that across Wikidata (and by extensions many other WMF wikis) are several tools, bots and also human users which works (mass-editing) on large series of items built by running queries on classes and subclasses of parent item. By introducing this statement you could condition the propagation of some errors and false information on a large scale. Let's hope this did not happen! XXN, 20:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Same with Q26211545 and Q2225692

Its same name and same entity but different property. Joseagush (talk) 02:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

subclass of

Removed subclass of (P279) as human settlement (Q486972) and community (Q177634) because it's already a subclass of rural settlement (Q10354598) that is a subclass of human settlement (Q486972) that is a subclass of community (Q177634), so no information lost. --Kanzat (talk) 05:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course. --Infovarius (talk) 11:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Village Q532 is not part of Kecamatan Q3700011

I'm not allowed to edit Q532 Village (en) / Dorf (de). Can anyone else solve this problem?
The statement "Village is part of Kecamatan" is definitely wrong and should be deleted. S.Keim (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It was User:Joseagush who added this. Probably this means that there are lesser units than Kecamatan which can be identified with Q532. --Infovarius (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

But the statement claims: If you have a village, then it is part of Kecamatan. Each village is part of Kecamatan. And that's nonsense. Grezhausen is a village, but not in Kecamatan, but in Germany. S.Keim (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @S.Keim, Infovarius:, all villages in Indonesia is part of kecamatan (or district in english) so it will be different from each country. I don't know how to make a good/better statement using that info. Should it be separated per each country? how? Thank you for mention this problem, btw. Joseagush (talk) 00:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Joseagush: Unfortunately there is a big mess in Wikipedia categories and Wikidata objects. But with focus on this topic: I would say: Village is a class. Every property of a class should apply for all instances and subclasses of the class. So if you say Village is part of Kecamatan, it must apply for all instances of Village, it must apply for Grezhausen a village in Germany. This would be wrong.

But there are also the objects Desa and Village in Indonesia. If every Desa is part of Kecamatan, it can be stated there. If every Village in Indonesia is part of Kecamatan, it can be stated there. And both are stated as subclass of Village. So the problem would be solved. But if you think that Desa and Village in Indonesia are the same, than request for merging them. If they are not the same and Desa remains a subclass of Village in Indonesia, then Desa should not be stated as subclass of Village, because Village in Indonesia is already stated as subclass of Village.

A 3rd point is: In Germany a village is only a geographical unit, not an administrative or a political unit. If I understand correctly, a Desa is an administrative unit, and it can be, that one Desa consist of more than one local units (villages). Is that correct? Than it seems that a Desa is not equivalent to village. Then Desa is not a subclass of village. S.Keim (talk) 15:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)