Talk:Q580922

For articles that are preprint,

• Is there some expectation that editors connect the preprint to any article published from the preprint, e.g. has edition or translation (P747) or edition or translation of (P629)?
• Is instance of (P31) of preprint (Q580922) preferred over scholarly article (Q13442814)? Or should we simply add the instance of (P31) preprint (Q580922)?

Would appreciate any community standards or expectations. Thanks, Trilotat (talk) 01:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

You’ll be more likely to get responses in the project chat. I doubt there a are set standards for this, so here’s my entirely subjective take: the items on academic literature take up a rather large amount of resources and tend to come up in every search, annoying those that don’t have any use for them. This feels more pronounced than with any other category, such as chemical molecules or stars. Part of the annoyance, at least for me, is that it seems that these items seem to be of lower quality than necessary. Charged particle transverse momentum spectra in pp collisions at 𝑠√=0.9 and 7 TeV (Q29037899) took ‘’three hours’’ of processing to add a total of 2183 author names in more than 5,000 edits. Not even a dozen of those names are even to items, making them slightly useful. It’s just a list of last names as strings (and it isn’t even a string theory paper). The label is raw LaTeX even though labels support the alias I just added using (some) math notation, and the description is entirely generic. It’s better than most in that it links its references, however. It’s also better in that it actually is a published paper, since I’ve seen stuff like journal’s ads or masthead as the subject of scholarly article (Q13442814).

With that in mind, any additional links are appreciated, because they at least theoretically increase the usefulness of all this data. As to preprint (Q580922), I feel that should be a subclass of scholarly article (Q13442814). Since that includes “usually peer-reviewed” in its description, I didn’t just go ahead and change it. The alternative would be to have both be children of a common ancestor. They are, but it’s the slightly too generic “article”, including newspapers and the like. It should be something like “academic manuscript”. But either way: this doesn’t need two instance of (P31) and it is much easier to change the structure later on when it means modifying the single item Kaštel Sućurac (Q80922) and not hundreds of thousands items. Karl Oblique (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I was afraid I was the guilty party responsible for the edits you described. Trilotat (talk) 02:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I know, that’s how I came across the question above in the first place :). It was among the top-5 or so edited items for the month. And don’t worry: I do understand that coming across such a beast in the domain you already work on makes it look like a challenge that needs conquering. And if there’s some reason you’re working with the scholarly literature, it’s fine to do so. Karl Oblique (talk) 14:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)