Talk:Q7066

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"отвержение веры в богов, отрицание их существования" - а в чёрных котов? --Fractaler (talk) 14:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

References for qualifiers for instance of (P31) statements

@Pigsonthewing: Generally when we have a statement that has sources we want that all information expressed through qualifiers is backed up by the sources that are provided. From a short reading, I don't see where Webster expresses an opinion of whether or not atheism is a religion. It also doesn't say that it's a "philosophic movement" or a "world view". Please add sources through the normal way we add sources to items. In this case, I would appreciate it, if there would be quotes, so that it's clear what we are talking about. ChristianKl (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I refer you to the answer I gave the last time you asked this question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I do understand that you can't mark edits to belong to specific qualifiers, but you can still simply add references to the statement. The current solution leaves us with unsourced claims. Even worse, it leaves us with claims on a statement that has a reference that aren't supported by that reference, do you think there's nothing wrong with that state of affairs? ChristianKl (talk) 12:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Atheism is not a religion

Hi, I removed the “subclass of religion”, this is why:

This element used to quotes a decision^[1] of the US Court (emphasis added): “The Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a ‘religion’ for purposes of the First Amendment”, but this is because “Court has adopted a broad definition of ‘religion’ that includes non-theistic and atheistic beliefs, as well as theistic ones”. Using this source as proof that atheism is a religion is a misreading, because this is not a universal definition, it is a local situation (see, in contrast, how the Canadian Court denied recognizing an atheistic organization as a religion).^[2] Also, the US Court recognition was made for the purpose that non-believers have the same rights as believers, because First Amendment protect all religious beliefs (including a lack of religious belief).^[3] This mean that “[A]theism may be considered, [only] in this special sense, a religion”.^[4]

Although there are atheistic religions,^[5] atheism by itself is not a religion,^[6] it does not have an organized system of beliefs, rites, doctrine, observances, or believes in supernatural deeds. The similarities with religions are superficial.

In fact, atheism reject religion,^[7] this mean thatt atheism is a irreligion. Also, calling atheism as a religion is not only non-neutral, it is even pejorative^[8] (the purpose is to ridicule the atheist, call him a hypocrite).

In conclusion, Saying that atheism is a religion is obviously controversial, I don't see the reason to include this minor perspective, since such statement is disputed by various sources; also, is non-neutral, incomplete and not universal. --Gusama Romero </talk> 21:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

practiced by

The property "practiced by (P3095)" is used for "work or profession" not for religions. So much that the inverse property (P1696) is "field of this occupation (P425)". Minerva97 (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Many descriptions of practiced by (P3095) include religion, but English description was change here. However, that property it is not only for work or professions, but also for “agents that study this subject”. --Gusama Romero </talk> 06:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Obviously these items should be linked and this property fits most. What else can you propose? Look also

⟨ belief (Q34394)    ⟩ practiced by (P3095) ⟨ believer (Q17573152)    ⟩

. --Infovarius (talk) 19:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gusama_Romero:@Infovarius: In the mentioned descriptions and in the "belief", There is an exclamation point indicating "potential issues". That's why I made the changes. Minerva97 (talk) 15:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Changes can be different. Now there is no "!" in "belief". --Infovarius (talk) 19:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)