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description: increase in elevation or altitude
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motion vs. difference in altitude[edit]
This item (and it's sibling descent (Q74026205)) is quite confusing to me. I think it is mostly because I would make a difference between the (physical) motion (motion (Q79782)) and the difference in altitude (e.g. increase (Q9073584)) and often in German there are different words. So "Anstieg" would rather refer to the difference in altitude while "Aufstieg" would rather refer to the (physical) motion (e.g. a plane in an uplifting motion would "aufsteigen", not "ansteigen" while the height of the plane would "ansteigen" not "aufsteigen"). Not sure if it is worth to split this item up for this reason. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:30, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- If I understand right, it appears the distinction you're talking about already exists: ascent (Q115473635) vs. ascent (Q74026067) and descent (Q115473647) vs. descent (Q74026205), where the fist in each pair is an action, and the latter is a passive phenomenon. In English, the words "ascend/descend" tend to serve either role:
- A mountain climber (actively) climbs, or ascends/makes an ascent (ascent (Q115473635)).
- A balloon (passively) rises, or ascends (ascent (Q74026067)).
- An aircraft can be said to climb, rise, or ascend; either ascent (Q115473635) or ascent (Q74026067) would make sense. English doesn't really distinguish whether the ascent is caused by pilot control inputs, weather phenomena, or both.
- In all the above cases, we would say that the altitude or elevation increases, where an increase (Q9073584) is a positive change in any number, not just an altitude.
- Hope that helps. Swpb (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, thank you for your clarification, but I'm talking about a different distinction. I actually created ascent (Q115473635) for the active motion (of a human) myself as this is obviously different. The problem at hand is that this item represents both a motion (no matter if active or passive) and a positive change in a number (elevation or altitude). This is reflected in subclasses and in the actual use of this item.
- If I would model this I would create an own item for the (passive or active) motion (e.g. "Aufstieg") that would link to the increase in altitude using has characteristic (P1552). E.g. <ascent (motion)> is a motion characterised by an increase of altitude or elevation (<ascent (increase in altitude)>).
- I hope I could express myself more clearly. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- In that case I would say that no, there is not enough reason to split this item as you describe. I suspect this is a linguistic distinction that is unique to German. Swpb (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)