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P31

Thank you for using P31 - just what I needed to know for a whole lot of oz stylian items

thanks

JarrahTree (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Q6511

Why isn't "(novel)" desirable, as disambiguation? Timmy Finnegan (talk) 16:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenorchy - lack of state qualifier?

Isnt Glenorchy, Australia

a bit dangerous ??

JarrahTree (talk) 15:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Electorate areas & 2016 SSC news

Hi Canley (also ping @mattinbgn, Kerry Raymond:). Thanks for getting this started. I think maybe we should add dates to areas of electorates, since they may change with redistricting. I've just started putting in some populations from 2016 on some of the complete sets (CED so far), e.g. Braddon diff. See if you think they have everything they need. The SSCs are coming along too - there are two almost identical mixnmatch sets: short long. The "long" one is good for collecting automatches, and I was hoping the "short" one would then get copied matches by auxilliary data matcher, but that hasn't seemed to work. Just be careful if the description says "State suburb in XXXX, State, Australia", the XXXX means there were two suburbs of the same name within the same state, so you have to match to (or make a new item for) the one in the XXXX LGA. --99of9 (talk) 04:19, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but I'm about to get on a plane for Wikimania and then other holidaying, back mid-September, so I am not in a position to help out again till then. But wish you all the best with this! It will be a great thing if we can automate the 2016 census and, from what we learn from doing it, should help us with a more high-tech approach to article maintenance going forward (which seems consistent with the general intentions of the Strategic Plan in Progress). I know we have some doubters out there about the automation of the census, but let's hope we can win them onside. Kerry Raymond (talk) 06:26, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Canley (also ping @Kerry Raymond, 99of9:). I see ABS has now released UC/L data. Is there a proposal for a mixnmatch and/or a Q number for UC/L like "suburb and locality (Q33112019)"? Interestingly, the UCL number for Berrigan (Q2596449) didn't change from 2011 but Tocumwal (Q3530213) did. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah interesting, I wasn't clear on what types of region they planned to support. Go ahead and make a Q item for this, and let us know which it is. I'm happy to set up a mix-n-match set. --99of9 (talk) 06:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Oops, actually I already made urban centre and locality (Q33127891) for last time. --99of9 (talk) 06:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

And there is also Significant Urban Area (Q33128580) which they also seem to have released. --99of9 (talk) 06:31, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I would be happy to help with any matching needed. The number of SUAs is pretty small and could be done manually, but there are around 1500 UC/Ls which would probably suit a Mix'n'Match. --Canley (talk) 04:25, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Electorates and P131=

Hi Canley. Good to see the Infobox Australian place data slowly (or quickly now!) making its way over to Wikidata. One comment, though. I am not sure that located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) is a good fit for electorates. Whatever else electorates may be, I am not sure that they are an administrative territorial entity. I note that electoral unit (Q192611) is a sub-class of administrative territorial entity (Q56061) but that doesn't look right to me either. What are your thoughts? -- Mattinbgn (talk) 22:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

thanks

I'm quite sure that bus driver is not a craftsperson.

Thank you for corrections and have a nice day d1g (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Q49365547

Hi Canley, it looks the new entry Q49365547 needs to merge with the existing Q9130846. Thanks! --Zhenqinli (talk) 09:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, Q21338336. Thanks again! --Zhenqinli (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Removal of LGA from P131

Hi Canley. Not sure I understand this edit and some other ones around the same time such as this one and this one. Was there a problem with my use of P131 in those cases? Thanks for any assistance -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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'teacher education' subclass of 'education'

I propose a change: I believe teacher education should be subclass of education rather than of training. At least the Spanish translation of 'training' (entrenamiento) is not an adequate hyperonym for capacitación docente, while 'education' is --JosebaAbaitua (talk) 07:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

"a subclass of professional development (Q828812) ('formación profesional' in Spanish)" seems very adequate to me --JosebaAbaitua (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Cowell

I see you have edited both Cowell (Q2082300) and Cowell (Q31431652). One of them features in the list of highest populations in SA without a wikipedia article. Is it reasonable to merge these two wikidata entities, or are they deliberately distinct as the town and locality? I haven't noticed doing that for other rural towns. --ScottDavis (talk) 08:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@ScottDavis: Yes, I agree, I've merged them. From the "State Suburb" description of the item I'm guessing it was created in a Mix'n'Match and not linked to the town item. --Canley (talk) 11:35, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I know merging is hard to undo, and they were just different enough for me to not be certain they weren't intended to be separate for some reason I had not been aware of. I think you are right about the source of the extra one. --ScottDavis (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Australia at ★★★ ?

Hi, Wikidata:WikiProject every politician/Australia/data/House/Current Members implies that we're not quite at ★★★ level here yet, as very few of the memberships have a parliamentary group (P4100) qualifier yet. Is that something you're working on? --Oravrattas (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, it is done. --Canley (talk) 05:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

rathaus (Q543654)

But English interwiki isn't City hall; that is Ratusz. --Treisijs (talk) 04:37, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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New page for catalogues

Hi, I created a new page for collecting sites that could be added to Mix'n'match and I plan to expand it with the ones that already have scrapers by category. Feel free to use, expand. Best, --Adam Harangozó (talk) 07:33, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Geolocation of Fremantle heritage places

Hello! Do you know why lots of heritage places are located in lines in Fremantle? —Sam Wilson 01:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Past Papers project

After checking a couple of Aussie newspapers, I have ensured all the NZ papers that have now been matched have Country = New Zealand as one of their properties. Some do have Country of origin = New Zealand as well. I thought it important that all had a single property that showed their NZ-ness... I hope I chose the one you are prepared to go along with. Oronsay (talk) 05:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing, so completely agree! --Canley (talk) 05:22, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

suburb/locality

Hi Canley,

I was pondering the official suburb/localities in Australia: these are gazetted and quite well defined, but I don't think that there's a reliable way to list them on Wikidata, since they've been defined as either locality (Q3257686) or suburb (Q188509), and there may also be other non-gazetted items that use these. What would you think about making them instances of suburb/locality (Q7632426), in addition to suburb (Q188509) etc., as relevant? Ghouston (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Remove OAMs

Hi there, just wondering why you are removing claims of receiving OAMs? The-Pope (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@The-Pope: I am cleaning up the old broken itsanhonour.gov.au references - I removed the whole statement and am re-importing them now with the new reference. --Canley (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. The-Pope (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Frederick August Cooper

Thanks for your edits to Q20810691. I am still getting the hang of wikidata as I see if if can help make useful links in relation to NSW elections & politicians. If you see any edits I make that you think should be coded differently, feel free to let me know as it will help me avoid making the same mistake repeatedly. --Find bruce (talk) 09:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

new property: associated electoral district (P7938)

Hi Canley,

I noticed you add these to Wikidata some time ago. Now that there is P7938, I wonder if we could move the statements from P131 to P7938, e.g. as done here. It would mean that these aren't used for administrative purposes in general. --- Jura 09:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

I am already doing precisely that! If you look at my contributions you can see I have been migrating all state and federal electoral districts state-by-state from located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) to associated electoral district (P7938) for the last couple of weeks. I have done Queensland and Tasmania, and Victoria last weekend. I'll probably do a state or territory each weekend until complete. --Canley (talk) 10:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I just look at some of the items edit history. If you want, I can add {{Autofix}} for Krbot to Property talk:P131. It might take it a week or more to do all of them. --- Jura 10:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I'd like to do them manually as I'm doing some other check-ups, updates and fixes at the same time, but I'll let you know if Autofix would be useful. --Canley (talk) 10:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Electorates with multiple incarnations

I've been thinking about your comment regarding electorates with multiple incarnations. NSW has the situation where there are periods (pre 1894 & 1920 - 1927) where electorates returned between 1 and 5 members and up to 3 incarnations. I have been using number of seats in assembly (P1410) to designate the different numbers, eg St Leonards (Q5355974) and was wondering whether it may be a way to deal with different incarnations. I have set it up in a couple of different ways:

1. Redfern (Q5355889) which has part(s) (P527) Redfern (Q100701174) - similar to the federal division of Paterson
2. St Marys (Q5355975) where P1410 is only included where the electorate existed - ie gap between end time and next start time
3. Rozelle (Q5355919) where I have included P1410=0 for the gap where the electorate did not exist

I'm leaning towards (2) being the better solution, at least in the NSW context, but am interested in your views. --Find bruce (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Find bruce: That's a really good idea, great lateral thinking, it means all incarnations can link to the Wikipedia article, but a correctly written query can list electorates that existed at a point in time. I agree, (2) is probably the best option, but (3) is also good and I guess could also be included along with (2) – like P1410 = 0 with start and end dates? There might be some cases where they are still distinct in both the temporal and geographical sense, but in those cases the Wikipedia article should be split as well. --Canley (talk) 06:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Demerge

Please review Thomas Ten Have (Q57327797) and Thomas Ten Have (Q102237065), which I have just restored them to the point before you merged them and expanded the result. The person who died in 2011 cannot have an ORCID iD, and the ORCID holder published as recently as 2018, so two identities were conflated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Hi Andy, I had a very close look at that one before I did the merge in September, it was a strange one! I’ve checked it all again and I stand by the merge and addition of the death date. I understand your concern about the ORCID, but here is the reasoning:

• There were two items, one apparently imported from ORCID and the other from the Mathematics Genealogy Project.
• The death date I added for the merged item was from this obituary which lists Thomas Ralph “Tom” Ten Have as having died in Pennsylvania on May 1, 2011.
• The obituary gives several details of Thomas Ten Have’s education and academic career which match both the ORCID and MGP listings: “He received his BS, MPH and PhD from The University of Michigan” which are the same qualifications and alma mater listed on ORCID. “Tom was professor of biostatistics at the School of Medicine of The University of Pennsylvania”, which matches the MGP doctoral supervision.
• Ten Have's faculty page at UPenn is listed as "In Memoriam" – again the qualifications on this page ("A.A. Grand Rapids Junior College, 1978. B.A. (Statistics) University Of Michigan, 1981. M.P.H. (Biostatistics) University Of Michigan, 1982. Ph.D. (Biostatistics) University Of Michigan, 1991.") match those in the ORCID profile and the obituary exactly, right down to the completion dates. If these are indeed two separate identities, they were two people with the same (obscure) name, studying the same degrees, at the same university (U-M), at the same time, who then both went to work at the same university (UPenn).
• The University of Pennsylvania Almanac confirms that "Dr. Thomas Ten Have, professor of biostatistics in the Center for Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics in the School of Medicine, died on May 1 at the age of 53."
• So regarding the ORCID ID (which I understand weren’t issued until late 2012) – I checked about 20 of the papers listed in the ORCID profile, and while many were added to the ORCID profile in 2018, the papers themselves were mostly published much earlier. There were some like this one (PDF) which was published in March 2014, and which specifically lists Thomas Ten Have as "(deceased)" in the list of authors, as does coverage of this article. This paper (Integrated Telehealth Care for Chronic Illness and Depression in Geriatric Home Care Patients: The Integrated Telehealth Education and Activation of Mood (I-TEAM) Study) was added to the ORCID profile in August 2018, four years after its publication (when it confirmed he had died before 2014) and seven years after his death, so at least one paper which stated Thomas Ten Have was deceased at the time of publication was added to his ORCID profile several years later.
• I suspect what is happening here is that someone else – a family member or colleague maybe – has created an ORCID account and ID for Thomas Ten Have and is uploading his publications as some sort of tribute.

I trust that explains the due diligence I carried out before the merge – if you are convinced, please revert the demerge. If not, let me know and we can discuss further and seek out further confirmation one way or the other.

-- Canley (talk) 06:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the very detailed explanation; I suggest copying it to, or linking to it from, the item's talk page. I've notified the ORCID support team of the circumstances. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Andy, I have posted the explanation on the Thomas Ten Have (Q57327797) talk page. Thanks for reporting it to ORCID. --Canley (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Darch (Q21913603)

This doesn't look real to me, or maybe is misplaced. But I'm not sure, because there seem to be a lot of (autogenerated?) hits in Google. Can you take a second look? --99of9 (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Other than the Darch in WA, there is no listing for this as a Melbourne suburb in Geoscape's definitive locality data, ABS census areas, Australia Post postcodes or AEC electorate directory. The Geonames ID which you deprecated redirects to Lower Plenty, and there is a mansion in Lower Plenty called Amberley (or the Edmund Rice Centre) which was built in 1930 for O. W. Darch, the general manager of Shell Oil – it appears to be a fairly large estate so could be confused/classified as a suburb. The coordinates on the item are nearly a kilometre away but in the general vicinity (Geonames/cebwiki coords are normally pretty terrible). The What's On First listing is pointing to western Templestowe which is on the other side of the Yarra River to Amberley but also quite close. I reckon either say it's an instance of mansion or historic house (it's not on the Victorian Heritage Register but is on the City of Banyule heritage list and is on the Victorian Heritage Database, or redirect it to the Lower Plenty (Q6693710) item? Canley (talk) 02:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Mix n match catalog

Hi, I would appreciate your help in how to set up the mix n match catalogs for South Australia & Tasmania. I tried reading the manual but am none the wiser. I assume it involves scraping the urls to extract name, date of birth & house of parliament, but needs some pointers. Thanks Find bruce (talk) 04:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely no problem at all, in fact I believe I already scraped the SA and Tas parliament websites for all this data a couple of months ago but never got around to setting up the property proposals. It might need a refresh/update but I can do that. I can set up the Mix'n'Match catalogs, but you probably want to learn how to do it yourself, so how does it sound if I put the data somewhere you can download it, and I'll give you some instructions on setting up the catalogs? --Canley (talk) 05:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good thanks Find bruce (talk) 06:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

There is a problem with the mix n match catalog 5503 - my spreadsheet included a random number as a unique reference & that has been picked up as the Tas Parliament member ID - eg Ben McKay inserted #426929 rather than mckaye543. I'm not sure how to fix it as I tried uploading a corrected version but that hasn't helped. Appreciate your help in how to sort out the mess I've created Find bruce (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I probably did some of those, I might not have noticed there were two catalogues! I did a SPARQL query and there's 42 of them with the numbers. I can fix them up using QuickStatements. I think you can also ask Magnus Manske to delete the faulty catalogue, I'll have to remember how I contacted him, I think it was on his user page. --Canley (talk) 03:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've fixed up the ones with 6-digit number IDs and replaced them with the correct ones. Yes, looks like you can get Magnus to deactivate a faulty or duplicate catalogue by asking on his talk page: User talk:Magnus Manske, I got him to do this once before. Canley (talk) 03:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Kaikorai Valley

Hi, Q6347824 has Property:P31 valley but the associated wikipedia page has en:Template:Infobox New Zealand suburb.

Is is possible/permitted to swap the Property:P31 attribute for Q6347824 and Q82632727 so that whichever one has Property:P31 suburb is connected to the wikipedia page with en:Template:Infobox New Zealand suburb?

Thanks for the help -- Kyle-nz (talk) 07:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Te Papa agent ID

Hi, please see User talk:DrThneed#Te Papa agent ID, thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Your edits are causing an issue on the English Wikipedia

Hi Canley, your current addition of statistical population data is causing an issue on the English Wikipedia. Localities and suburbs like Onslow, Western Australia are now displaying the population data for Urban Centre and Locality in the infobox and not the one for Suburb and Locality, which the article is about. Are you aware of this? Calistemon (talk) 00:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, how did Hilbert (Q24191461) suddenly have a population of 2,043,762? Calistemon (talk) 00:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

That's how the population module works, if the settlement is an instance of town (Q3957), it prioritises the UCL population value. There are about 14 cases where the UCL was amalgamated into another one (Perth in the case of Hilbert), I will fix these manually. --Canley (talk) 01:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

As it was also a query on english wikipedia I have made comment there -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Western_Australia#Localities_and_suburbs_

I hope that is ok...

BTW - thanks for all the WA locality work ! JarrahTree (talk) 01:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you are mixing two separate entities in one item, the locality (LGATE-234) and the town (LGATE-248), which have different boundaries and population values. I think, the town, if required, should have its own Q item and have the relevant information there. This is a problem however that goes far beyond your current edit, its a terrible mess, where, in places, localities, towns, islands and even national parks are mixed into one and have to be split manually. Wedge Island is one such example, which i recently split as somebody combined the island and the statistical locality in one Q item! Calistemon (talk) 06:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, what I did was add the 2021 UCL code where there was was already a 2016 (and possibly a 2011) UCL (so these had been "mixed" for years)—not assuming that two different geographic entities were the same thing based on the name, or merging any town/locality items that were separated (Are there actually any of these? English Wikipedia definitely would merge them into single articles; Wikidata is more flexible, but even then I don't recall seeing separate items where the locality and town are fundamentally the same "place" with different boundaries, areas and centroids). Definitely agree with you that a physical entity like an island and its corresponding locality or statistical area should be seperate items, but the distinction between a town/urban centre and bounded locality is not so clear, and debatable even if they have separate place IDs (as they do in Queensland and WA). One way to address this a bit better, other than splitting differently bounded areas of the same town, is to adjust the population module to show both the UCL and SAL population values, which is precisely why the "applied to part" qualifier is used on populations – so that the relevant population value can be extracted and displayed appropriately. --Canley (talk) 08:18, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Its all good, Canley. I have decided to leave the WA localities and suburbs alone! Its just to much of a mess and to much of a mix up of different administrative entities like towns and localities thrown into one item. Somebody else can sort it out or mix it up, as they like! There is a list of all localities and towns in WA with area sizes in en:User:Calistemon1/Sandbox, downloaded a few weeks back, if it is any help to you. Calistemon (talk) 01:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is all very complicated! Thanks so much for your work so far, for your feedback, and for the list of WA localities, it's very helpful. --Canley (talk) 04:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

The population module: Canley, you stated "That's how the population module works, if the settlement is an instance of town (Q3957), it prioritises the UCL population value." My reading of the module code is that it is the infobox |type that is used to decide the population value to use, not the wikidata item 'instance of'. Type='city' or 'town' use UCL from the wikidata item, 'suburb' uses SAL, 'lga' & 'other' use LGA. Then a bit further down the code 'town' will use SAL if UCL isn't there (for the latest date).

So if I'm reading the code correctly, it's the |type param in the infobox that needs to be correct.

If separate WP articles on the suburb/locality and the town would normally be merged (is this a safe assumption?), then yes the module should show both populations - but I think somehow with more user-friendly explanations than just 'UCL' or 'SAL'.

BTW, thanks muchly for the UCL data upload. It does fix articles that were the opposite of Calistemon's initial problem - those that are about the town (UCL), and were showing SAL populations. Though we still have the problem of the infobox |local_map=yes showing the SAL boundary, not the UCL. As far as I can tell the UCL boundaries aren't in OpenStreetmap - but maybe this is a big job to fix? Innesw (talk) 04:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Double-ups

Hello! I've just noticed a few of your recent additions in temporary_batch_1714651983351 have been making double-ups (e.g. Te Waihorotiu railway station (Q125748889)) - wasn't sure if you'd realised. --Prosperosity (talk) 21:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, should all be fixed up and merged now. Canley (talk) 22:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)