User talk:Chidgk1

Good day! I can try to help you to prpose an identifier for Turkish powerplants, but need some more info. How many plants are there?. How does the licence number looks like? Breg Pmt (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. There are two kinds of licences. I don't actually need the kind which is called a pre-licence. So do I need to tell you also about that kind also - in other words should it be taken into account at this stage? Also some plants do not need licenses.

Today there are 1681 of the ones which are simply called a "lisans No" (Turkish for "licence number") and they are here but I will not use more than 50 of them as I am only working on coal-fired power stations in Turkey not the others. The licenses I need are all like this:

"EÜ/"

3 or 4 digits

Optional: "-" followed by 1 or 2 digits

"/"

3 or 4 or 5 digits

and you can see them all in the footnotes of en:List_of_active_coal-fired_power_stations_in_Turkey. As you can see ZETES-1 ZETES-2 and ZETES-3 all have the same licence number despite being 3 separate power stations.

"EÜ" stands for "electricity producer" or "electricity production" or somesuch but I don't know what the numbers mean if anything.

So if I understand you correct there will be 1681 unique powerplant in Turkey having an identifier with something like EÜ/4969-177/2877. Can you provide me with 4 examples of powerplants and their EÜ/xxxxxxx identifier. Can you also give me a proper name in english and turkish, may be like Turkish powerplant ID. Is it then possible to have a direct link to the page for the specific plant? Something like [1]

I would also like to pay your attention to NVE powerplant ID (P7626) who is an identifier for all norwegian powerplants. Breg Pmt (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

PS The four exaples I can of course find on en:List_of_active_coal-fired_power_stations_in_Turkey :) Pmt (talk) 20:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately 1) As far as I know it is not possible to link directly to the info for an individual plant on the database. 2) What exactly is meant by "identifier"? A licence may cover more than one plant so I am not sure it can be an "identifier".Chidgk1 (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, but that is not absolutely necessary, more like nice to have. I did also yesterday ask for a query listing all Turkish powerplants on wikidata, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Powerplants_in_Turkey just to get an overwiev. Beg Pmt (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

By Identifier I am thinking of an uniqe number for each powerplant. So if the licence number can cover more than on e plant, is it then the owner or builder who is holding this licence, and who is issuing this licence? Breg Pmt (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Have you decided for a name in english and turkis for this (still calling it identifier) Property? Breg Pmt (talk) 16:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah so unfortunately there is no identifier as far as I know. So in Wikidata should it be a property? The name is "Elektrik Piyasası Üretim Lisans" in Turkish, which I would translate into English as "Electricity Market Generation Licence". The government issues the licence to the operator of the plant(s) but I can see that in some cases the operator has more than one licence - for example if you sort the table in en:List_of_active_coal-fired_power_stations_in_Turkey by owner and hover over the ref column you can see that Alkim Alkali Chemicals has 3 different licence numbers, whereas Eren Holding only has one, although they both own 3 plants in the table. I don't know why that is - I could speculate that a licence covers plants in a particular district owned by one company but I do not know for sure. But I think it would still be useful to have the licence number on Wikidata to avoid having to repeat it on tr:Türkiye'deki kömür yakıtlı enerji santralleri listesi. Although the licence number is not an identifier I think it is useful for researchers to know it as in most cases a query of the database by licence number just returns one plant. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Hm... Is it maybe that when you want to build a powerplant in Turkey you need a goverment licence (as owner and/or builder) to start build the plant, and if you are in the same area you can build maybe two or three plants under the same licence? Breg Pmt (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

If the plant is under 5MW or an autoproducer you do not nowadays need a license, but apart from that I don't know sorry Chidgk1 (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: Ok, I can propopse something like an Owners licence number for a Powerplant in Turkey. Saying that this number identifies the owner of the plant, but I will try to have an second opinion before I propose. In the meantime can you try to search for a official page for some goverment body having the autority of i.e inspection or approval of the turkis powerplants. I am only able to read german and english internetpages. Breg Pmt (talk) 19:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Energy Market Regulatory Authority issues the licences. Page 7 onwards of the following document explains licencing but only for Renewable Energy. My interest is only in the coal-fired power stations.

I see that not all external identifiers are unique - for example obviously several people can have the same member of sports team (P54) so I am going to go ahead and propose it Chidgk1 (talk) 09:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: But are you sure that this is a licencenumber for the powerplant and not a licence that the investor/company building the plant holds? Also note that member of sports team (P54) is not Datatype external identifier but Element. Breg Pmt (talk) 19:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

It is definitely a licence to operate not build. If you think the request should be for a different datatype please go ahead and change it to whatever is most suitable. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)