User talk:Daniel Mietchen/Archive/2015

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Wrong use of subclass of (P279)

I have reverted one of your edits, but I think they are many more wrong. Please read Help:Basic membership properties before pursuing with your mass edits. Regards, Andreasm ^{háblame / just talk to me} 16:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for checking and helping me to think this through. In the context of medical conditions, I am indeed often uncertain as to whether to use instance of (P31) or subclass of (P279), and I am aware that some of my edits in this area may well be wrong. Your example of malaria (Q12156) may not be a good one, though: there are multiple species of Plasmodium (Q130948) that can be transmitted by multiple species of Anopheles (Q158597) to multiple species of Vertebrata (Q25241). Even ignoring organ-specificity such as cerebral malaria (Q18554674), genetic disposition as in sickle-cell disease (Q185034) or the broader picture of personalized medicine (Q2072214), that is enough reason to think of malaria in terms of subclasses, and International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) (Q45127) seems to concur. Anyway, I just checked for cases where instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) were both used on the same item, and reverted my edit if it was the cause for that, even in cases like arthropathy (Q708176) where I think P279 is more appropriate. The two remaining items — choreatic disease (Q1076421) and motion sickness (Q309067) — may be a good basis for clarifying things and to work out how best to proceed. For the record, I was adding "P279:Q12136" to items with P699 but no P279, which roughly doubled the number of items with P699 and P279:Q12136. On the way, I also created a list of items with P699 and P279:Q650766. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, disease (Q12136) tends to be too general when there are more specific options. For example, epidemic typhus (Q1290616) is a instance of bacterial infectious disease (Q727028) and a subclass of typhus (Q160649); typhus (Q160649) is a subclass of bacterial infectious disease (Q727028), which is a subclass of infectious disease (Q131736), in turn a subclass of disease (Q12136). Thank you for the interest: we are always short of hands, so every help is more than welcome. Andreasm ^{háblame / just talk to me} 19:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Andreasm, Daniel's use of subclass of in the edit you reverted was problematic, but not incorrect. The claim you added ("typhus instance of infectious disease") was incorrect.

Not all Wikidata "leaf nodes" of the subclass hierarchy are instances. Epidemic typhus is not an instance of typhus, nor an instance of disease -- it is a subclass of each of those. (Daniel's edit was problematic because "disease" is too general as an object for subclass of in this case, as you say.) An instance of a disease would be a particular case of epidemic typhus, or a particular outbreak of epidemic typhus, but Q1290616 is not about such a particular thing in space and time. Rather, "epidemic typhus" is a (somewhat) specific thing that has no intrinsic constraints in space and time -- thus it is a class. I am not aware of any items about a particular case of disease on Wikidata, but we do have many on particular outbreaks of disease.

Both of those pale in comparison to how many items we have about classes of disease, though. Statements of the form "<subject that is a disease> instance of disease" overwhelmingly tend to be incorrect on Wikidata. Emw (talk) 02:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree that "disease" is too general here, but this series of edits was meant as one of several steps of improving the statements on disease items. I hadn't expected the "subclass of" to be controversial, but once we can agree that this is the way to go forward, we can more easily work on subclasses of disease (e.g. infectious diseases) and bring these statements to a level of specificity that makes sense. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

LPSN URL (P1991)

LPSN URL (P1991) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Plazi ID (P1992)

Plazi ID (P1992) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

TeX string (P1993)

TeX string (P1993) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:52, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Specificity

"I have not seen a strategic discussion as to whether it would be better to use more generic properties on more specific items or more specific properties on more generic items, though the issue keeps popping up" - I agree. Should we start an RfC? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

@Andy Mabbett: Not sure an RfC is the best way to move forward here, since the answer may actually depend on the subject matter. But asking WikiProject Taxonomy (which I pinged in that thread) and over at the Project chat for a more general discussion would seem useful. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 09:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

ZooBank

Hi Daniel! Sag mal hast du eine Idee, warum bei ZooBank auch Pflanzen auftauchen (z.B. Bulbophyllum ngoyense (Q4995248))? Gruß --Succu (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

@Succu: Sieht mir so aus, dass BHL da nicht differenziert — wohl weil es darin zu viele Beschreibungen der "Flora und Fauna" gibt. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 20:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

ZooBank beschreibt seine Vision mit den Worten „ZooBank is a central, authoritative and comprehensive resource for scientific names in zoology.“ Mein Bot werkelt noch an einer Teilmenge der von Plazi geklauten und mit dem ZooBank-API geprüften UUIDs. Mal schaun was das Ergebnis der WDQ-Abfrage CLAIM[1746] and TREE[756][][171] ist. Gruß --Succu (talk) 20:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Human Metabolome Database ID (P2057)

Human Metabolome Database ID (P2057) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

LIPID MAPS ID (P2063)

LIPID MAPS ID (P2063) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

KNApSAcK ID (P2064)

KNApSAcK ID (P2064) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

ky:Куймалар

Can you please translate (and label corresponding item) this into English&Russian? --Infovarius (talk) 19:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know how to translate that — the only thing I can say at this point is that it seems closely related to but different from alloy (Q37756). --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Da ist was schief gelaufen...

Hi Daniel!

Ist schon etwas länger her, da hast du Trigonopterus taurekaorum (Q19658996) etwa 100 mal als Beleg für ZooBank ID for name or act (P1746) verwendet. Wäre schön wenn du das beheben könntest. Gruß --Succu (talk) 18:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

In der Tat — danke fuer den Hinweis. Der korrekte Beleg waere One hundred and one new species of Trigonopterus weevils from New Guinea (Q19966966). Hab die Skripte dafuer gerade nicht parat, sollte das aber bald hinkriegen. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Succu Ich loesch diese falschen claims gerade. Kann dein Bot die korrekten einfuegen? Weiss nicht, wann ich dazu komme. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Müsste ich was basteln. Termin wäre Ende Oktober, da ich demnächt die Fliege mache... Gruß --Succu (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, dann lass mich mal basteln. Viel Spass beim Fliegen. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 21:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

WDQ

Du hast WDQ zerschossen! Nein, wirklich! ;-) Jedes item im JSON-dump hat eine Zeile. Die Zeile für Observation of a new boson at a mass of 125 GeV with the CMS experiment at the LHC (Q21481859) ist 1.2MB groß und hat für einen buffer overflow gesorgt, der den Import eines neuen Dumps gestoppt hat. Mehr buffer draufgeworfen, schau'n mer mal, ob's jetzt durchläuft... --Magnus Manske (talk) 13:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, und danke fuer den Fix. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

HTML syntax

Hi. Bitte entferne beim Import von wissenschaftlichen Artikeln etwaige html-syntax, siehe z.B. Bees of the Lasioglossum series (Hymenoptera: Halictidae) in South Korea, with an illustrated keys to species (Q21558566) oder A review of clearwing moths in the tribe Synanthedonini, with descriptions of six new species from Taiwan (Lepidoptera: Sesiidae) (Q21558565) --Pasleim (talk) 15:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Ja, das steht mit auf der Liste. Danke. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Zwei Dinge

Hallo Daniel! Bei meinen Vorarbeiten um die Data Papers zur Fauna Europaea als Verweis in WD nutzen zu können bin ich natürlich auf das von dir angelegte Datenobjekt Biodiversity Data Journal (Q19370769). Sollten die Artikel die darauf Verlinken nicht die neue Eigenschaft article ID (P2322) verwenden? Und noch ein Bitte: Könntest du für diesen Artikel mit deinem Script das Datenobjekt erzeugen und befüllen? Danke und Gruß --Succu (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Succu,

Ad 1: Ja, das BDJ ist eine der Zeitschriften, wo article ID (P2322) Anwendung finden sollte — ich hatte allerdings noch nicht gesehen, dass diese neue Eigenschaft mittlerweile kreiert worden war. Wir werden nun gucken, wie wir das in die entsprechenden Arbeitsablaeufe einbauen koennen.

Ad 2: Fauna Europaea: Coleoptera 2 (excl. series Elateriformia, Scarabaeiformia, Staphyliniformia and superfamily Curculionoidea) (Q21675406), noch ohne article ID (P2322). Du kannst mir auch gern Listen von DOIs geben, fuer die du entsprechende Items erstellt haben willst.

Ausserdem: Am Freitag wurde noch einmal detailliert ueber bibliographische Metadaten fuer Referenzen diskutiert, und es wird wohl in den naechsten Monaten ein Treffen rund um WikiProject Source MetaData geben. Wenn du Bot-Aktivitaeten in dem Bereich planst, sag bitte Bescheid, damit wir das koordinieren koennen. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Danke. Das waren mir zu viele Autoren, daher hab ich mal die Abkürzung gewählt. Im Bereich der Belege steht nichts Größeres an. Hier stehen nur noch ein paar kompliziertere Fälle aus. Vllt. schaffe ich es ja noch ein kleines Weihnachtsgeschenk für WD zu realisieren: Alle Erstbeschreibungen aus Systema Naturae. 10th edition, Volume 1 (Q21608408) zu belegen und auf die jeweilige Seite in der BHL zu verlinken. Mal schaun. Gruß --Succu (talk) 18:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)