User talk:Ealdgyth
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Best regards! Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 23:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
March 2015
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Hello, I'm Andreasmperu. Welcome to Wikidata! I noticed that you recently removed a link from an item, but didn't add it anywhere else. If you feel that the link would be better suited to another item, please add it there. (If you don't know how to do that, feel free to contact me at my talk page and I can do it for you.) If you're curious about editing Wikidata, and would like to test things out, please try the Wikidata Sandbox. Thanks, and happy editing! --Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 23:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- I see that you reverted my corrections. Of course, it just makes this wikidata look ridiculous - how can someone have citizenship in the United Kingdom ... when he died about 1000 years before the formation of the United Kingdom? Did you even LOOK at what you reverted, and think? I am the person who edited the English wikipedia article on him.. where the information that i tried to correct is actually sourced. Ealdgyth (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- Please do not delete claims without replacing them first with the corrected claim and, even better, adding a reference (otherwise, a bot would probably put them back). If you need help to learn how to do it, just ask for it (it would be useful to be polite in that case). Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 23:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- You cannot apply the concept of citizenship to the early middle ages - it just doesn't work! Removing the claim (not replacing it) is correct here. It's a wrong claim, not one that needs "corrections". And I did indeed replace a bunch ... I changed the 634 claim of a birthdate with a circa 633 claim. Likewise with the death date... it's not 709, it's circa 709 (which you changed back to the incorrect claim). Ealdgyth (talk) 00:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
- Please do not delete claims without replacing them first with the corrected claim and, even better, adding a reference (otherwise, a bot would probably put them back). If you need help to learn how to do it, just ask for it (it would be useful to be polite in that case). Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 23:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
CoA of Philip de Harcourt
[edit]Hi,
I don't really understand your revert Philip de Harcourt (Q2086520) nor your explanation « this is the coat of arms of the city of Harcourt - no evidence that the person used this CoA (and its unlikely he did as CoAs were not in common use until after his death) »
- A coat of arm can be used at the same time by a city and by the family of the same name (this is very common).
- On this file : File:Tableau Philippe d'Harcourt.jpg you can see that the CoA is clearly associated to the person. And more generally, the family use the CoA from the fief too (see articles linked to House of Harcourt (Q2353832)).
- Finally, CoA can be attributed afterwards (see attributed arms (Q1390144), there is hundreds of them on c:Category:Attributed arms for instance). So, even if the person didn't used it, it still should be stored on coat of arms image (P94) no?
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 14:33, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- He's from the 12th century. That is the very beginning of the use of Coats of Arms. The image that's inserted into his wikidata entry is NOT a contemporary image... it's likely a late medieval image from a gallery of previous bishops. Coats of Arms are not "family" coats of arms - they are specific to an individual. There is no evidence that this person, who died in 1163, used this coat of arms. The usage of CoAs begins in the later 1100s with royalty, and only later spread down the social scale and outside of the fighting classes. Whether the CoA should be on the family page is another matter, but there is no evidence that connects this CoA to Philip during his lifetime. Without such evidence, it should not be on his wikidata entry. There are no references for its use on the French article, I'll add. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed but did you read my last part? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)