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Different streaming services listing different artists

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Trade (talkcontribs)

How would you deal with this? Item in question is Q125721496

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

At first glance I thought that was a nice way of solving it. On closer inspection I don't think it's warranted to create a special purpose artist "Mickymar Productions Ltd." in this particular case, that seems to be a clerical error (data entry error), since the cover clearly states the artists to be Maribeth Solomon and Brent Barkman. Some intern just entered the name of the record company in the wrong field when updating the streaming services would be my guess. So Q125506206 should be deleted, or merged with Q125506215

Trade (talkcontribs)

Guess i have to run a batch to correct the issue. Any recommendations for spreadsheet software? Not in the mood for dealing with Google Accounts

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I'm still an Excel user, something I would not recommend :) LibreOffice maybe?

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StarTrekker (talkcontribs)

Hi, I've seen that you've created a lot of items for double names that I find somethat dubious, what exactly makes "George Michael", "David Thomas" or "Thomas David" actual double names and not just a combination of two given names that has happened more than once?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I decided some time ago it's not the hill I'm interested in dying on, so I've long since stopped creating them :) If you feel strongly about deleting some or all of the ones I've created I won't be objecting.

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StarTrekker (talkcontribs)

No absolutely not. Lots of people have middle names and that has nothing at all to do with double names. Jean-Luc is clearly a hyphenated double name, since it has a hyphen that binds the two names together. Double names that are separated by a space are more tricky but they can generally be recognized by some factors like; 1) being classical saint names or based on other religious or historical figures (for example Maria + feminine name in Romance languages especially Spanish or Marcus Antonius/Mark Antony/Marco Antonio), 2) rhyming, 3) having several variants in a lot of languages (for example Michael Angelo, Miguel Anxo, Miquel Àngel, Michelangelo), 4) being based on another name (Carol Lynn from Carolyn for example, Lee Roy for Leroy), 5) having a part be a short name that is commonly used as an ender to other names (Mae or Lee for example), 6) having clear equivalents among hyphenated names or stitched together names (see Michael Angelo and Michelangerlo or Pär Olof and Pär-Olof). Double names are more common in some languages than others, for example they're very common in Spanish, French and other Romance languages, as well as Nordic languages like Swedish, Norwegean and Danish (but rare in Icelandic), in the English language they're actually pretty uncommon (in modern day at least) and it seems like a lot of he items you've made is for persons whose first name is English.

If you've been creating "double names" for simple examples of people happening to have the same 2 given names in an order then I'm sorry but a lot of your items need to be deleted.

Arlo Barnes (talkcontribs)

I'm not Moebeus, to clarify -- just someone who receives notifications when there's a comment on talk pages I follow, including this one. I don't think I've made any double name items, but checking on that sounds like a good SPARQL task.

StarTrekker (talkcontribs)

I'm not aware of that group but I'll be taking time to contact them if you think they'd be well versed in the topic.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I believe Arlo might be referring to the query language SPARQL ? (what we typically use to query Wikidata)

Arlo Barnes (talkcontribs)

Indeed, although on second thought and looking at @StarTrekker:'s list of six criteria there, it might be a good opportunity to make items for use with reason for preferred rank (P7452) for those unambiguous double-name cases.

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