User talk:Multichill/Archives/2015/March

Portrait of Pope Julius II

Hi Multichill, why did you revert the merger of Q686848 and Q11918714? Ham II (talk) 17:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I was about to leave you a message Ham II. Apparently we have multiple paintings, see en:Portrait of Pope Julius II. So we have Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q686848)    for the group with all the interwikis, Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q11918714)    for the one in London and Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q19516146)    for the one in the Uffizi. Multichill (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. It looks as if the Catalan article (originally at Q11918714) is back at Q686848 now. I'm rather surprised to see that there is an item for the series of paintings, but I suppose it can do no harm. It's confusing to call it "Portrait of Pope Julius II"; perhaps "portraits of Pope Julius II" instead? It's only a descriptive title and not one given by the artist.

I would also question whether the interwikis should be at Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q686848)    rather than Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q11918714)   . The painting in the National Gallery is what's sometimes called a "prime version", and as far as I can tell that painting is the main subject of all the articles. The Uffizi painting is a copy by Raphael's workshop. Ham II (talk) 17:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ham II: I think it does not have an "s" because it is a something abstract, a class of painting. Usually a class has several instances, but we do not add an "s" to the name of the class. Maybe a name "portrait of Pope Julius II painting" would be better ? that would mean we can build statement like

⟨ portrait of Pope Julius II ⟩ instance of (P31) ⟨ portrait of Pope Julius II painting ⟩

exactly like we say

⟨ Pope Julius II ⟩ instance of (P31) ⟨ human ⟩

if portrait of Pope Julius II is the name given to one of the specific concrete portrait ? On the same spirit we can add a

⟨ portrait of Pope Julius II painting ⟩ subclass of (P279) ⟨ painting ⟩

. TomT0m ^(talk) 21:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@TomT0m: I see the reason for not having the plural and agree with you, but I'd prefer "portrait of Julius II" to "portrait of Julius II painting", which is unidiomatic English. I also think "portrait" would be an improvement on "painting" as the class above Portrait of Pope Julius II (Q686848)   .

I think the London and Uffizi paintings should be "Portrait of Julius II" as they are now: capitals to indicate the title of an individual work, lowercase for a class. What do you think? NB: User:Oursana has recently changed Q686848 to "Portraits of Pope Julius II" in several languages, so any changes in English will need to be made in those languages too. Ham II (talk) 21:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

pywikibot on local wikidata instance

Hi, we're running a local wikidata instance and want to use a pywikibot. So our question is not about your specific bot, but we hope you can help us with general bot questions.

We registered a "local" family and are able to log in.

If we try something like this (it's working if we use the 'real' wikidata instead of our local one):

site = pywikibot.Site()

repo = site.data_repository()

item = pywikibot.ItemPage(repo, u"Q668")

it crashes in line

repo = site.data_repository()

with error

WikiBaseError: local:en has no transcluded data

Perhaps you're able to help us, thanks in advance!

Dimitri.schmidt (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Education - instance of = School

Tell me why you added "instance of" = school for education? Education is a learning process. The school should be "instance of" = education. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxyeg (talk • contribs) at 09:30, 22 March 2015‎ (UTC).

I was claiming schools, but someone made a mess of the categorization at the Dutch Wikipedia so education ended up in some of the schools in Belgium categories. Multichill (talk) 09:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Multichill. Sorry if I misunderstood you. If you add school here, then you have to add here and institutes, and universities, and nursery and academy etc. I think that is wrong. What do you think? You agree with me? Best reagrds.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxyeg (talk • contribs) at 12:57, 22 March 2015‎ (UTC).

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Multichill (talk) 14:53, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Teije ten Den is geen isotoop

Ik ben wel heel benieuwd waarom jouw bot deze edit deed. Volgens mij is Teije ten Den (Q18169539) een voetballer, en geen chemisch element :). Ik zie trouwens wel meer sportgerelateerde zaken die opeens isotopen zijn, bv association football at the Summer Olympics (Q188317), Algeria at the 2010 FIFA World Cup (Q177750), Honkbal Hoofdklasse (Q166279). Husky (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Krijg nou wat. Dan heb ik ergens Q nummertjes door elkaar gehusseld. Ik heb op Categorie:Isotoop gedraaid, maar ik snap niet hoe bijvoorbeeld DDR SDRAM (Q333914) erin terechtgekomen is. Multichill (talk) 23:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

@Husky: zal wel hebben zitten slapen. Puin is nu in ieder geval opgeruimd. Multichill (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks. Husky (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)