User talk:Robevans123

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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

using "instance of" as a qualifier

This is not generally a best practice. From what I can tell, you're trying to suggest that "when this location was that type of location, this quality was true". Basically, you're cheating. :) I think this kind of modeling might be desirable, but it probably deserves its own property, since the only other way to model this would be to use start time (P580) and end time (P582). I can bring this up at WD:PC if you want, since some other property would be imminently useful for many claims where the history of a location (which may change hands on a irregular but normal basis) may want to indicated. --Izno (talk) 13:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

CADW Monument ID

The system to property proposals has recently changed, and all proposals should be added on their own subpage which is then transcluded onto the list pages (similar to how AfD works at en.wp). You proposed the CADW Monument ID property on the subpage for the unrelated Wikidata:Property proposal/allowed freedom of panorama rather than on Wikidata:Property proposal/Place as you intended. I've moved the proposal to it's own page for you - Wikidata:Property proposal/CADW Monument ID - and transcluded that on the Place and Authority control lists. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Thryduulf. Will try and get it right next time! Robevans123 (talk) 17:39, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Welsh Principal Areas - translations needed

@Ham II: and @Llywelyn2000:. Hi guys. I've been trying to add data to the Wikidata items for the Welsh principal areas (see list here), and where possible, adding labels/descriptions in Welsh (and some other languages). I've been getting the Welsh text from other Wikidata items, text on Wicipedia, some bilingual sources, and even Google Translate. As someone who's experienced many bad translations (!) and as a non-Welsh speaker (although I have a very basic knowledge), I appreciate that such an approach is fraught with dangers and pitfalls.

I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at Torfaen (Q643919) (viewable on Resonator -  ), and check the text on it, and the items it refers to). I've done the most work on Torfaen (my home principal area), (with translations in French/Italian/German/Spanish and smatterings of Dutch, Swedish, Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, Breton, and Cornish).

I'd also appreciate any comments/additions to the statements on Torfaen. I'd like to use this as a model to properly cover all the principal areas on Wikidata. Diolch. Robevans123 (talk) 09:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jason.nlw: Looks good to me, Rob. I'm up to my eyeballs at the moment but I'll translate the few remaining description/items etc. Two things to think about: could be connected with Welsh Government and secondly the two official languages could be mentioned. Thanks for the headsup... PS you could also make a bot request to get population on all communities, starting with 2011 and working down. All we need is a link to the database. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks @Llywelyn2000:. Good points on Welsh Government and languages. It prompted me to add all the principal areas to Wales (Q25) using contains the administrative territorial entity (P150). I think that probably covers it - it does seem to be the Wikidata Way that you don't usually add statements that are already included in the "parent" item (although I'm fairly new to Wikidata thing so I might be wrong).

But it would be possible to put in number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098) (as a percentage) for each official language for each principal area which would be good.

Good idea to get a bot to do population for all instances of community (Q2630741). But there are a lot missing, and I'm still trying to figure out how to model the welsh communities in Wikidata. Some communities like Cwmbran Central (Q13127602) and Mechell (Q19609495) are just communities, but for many others, the pages on various 'pedias also cover the village, civil parish, ecclesiastical parish, and the odd electoral division as well, so you could get a lot of data that all needs to be qualified based on what you're talking about, or, somehow split them into separate items, but maintain links with the 'pedia pages... Still finding my way around so will put up a question on one of the chats soon. Robevans123 (talk) 19:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Very impressive work as always, Rob. The situation with local authorities past and present is so confusing for the uninitiated that I wonder if the descriptions should be made as simple and consistent as humanly possible? e.g. "principal area in Wales" [en] / "prif ardal yng Nghymru" [cy] for every current local authority area (as with Cardiff (Q24342199))?

For Torfaen, presumably the first of the two sets of coordinates, which is imported from enwiki, could be deleted?

User:Robevans123/Principal_areas_of_Wales#Various_lists looks exciting. Perhaps in future lists like these could go on cywiki? Ham II (talk) 10:46, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks @Ham II:. Good points. Yes - the descriptions are inconsistent (and still a bit confusing even for the initiated!). This query:

#principal areas of Wales - descriptions and instances of
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?_instance_ofLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q15979307.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en". }
   OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P31 ?_instance_of. }
}

Try it!

shows up the inconsistencies (in English). Or

#principal areas of Wales - descriptions and instances of
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?_instance_ofLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q15979307.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "cy". }
   OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P31 ?_instance_of. }
}

Try it!

in Welsh.

Definitely better to simplify (although it might be useful to give some geographical insight in the description). How about, for Torfaen, "principal area in south east Wales" [en] (& I'll leave you guys to provide the Welsh)? And maybe "principal area and historic county in ..." for Carmarthenshire, etc? I'm thinking:

• "north west" for Anglesey and Gwynedd
• "north east" for Conwy, Flintshire, Denbighshire and Flintshire
• "mid" for Ceredigion and Poyws
• "south west" for Pembrokeshire, Carmarthenshire, Swansea and Neath Port Talbot
• "south east" for Bridgend, Vale of Glamorgan, Rhondda Cynon Taf, Merthyr Tydfil, Caerphilly, Cardiff, Newport, Blaenau Gwent, Torfaen and Monmouthshire?

but I'm open to suggestions.

The terms "county", "county borough", and "city and county" are just the different stylings for the principal areas that are currently used so they don't really need to be used in the descriptions, (or instance of (P31)), but can be covered in the labels/aliases. And Newport, being typically different, likes to call itself Newport City, and not follow the lead of the City and County of Cardiff/Swansea... Who knows? We might get these sorted out in time for the possible re-groupings being discussed.

And, yes, would be good to get the various lists into cywiki. I've not yet looked into creating lists from Wikidata but think it has great potential. Robevans123 (talk) 16:12, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Nice work with SPARQL! With the geographical descriptors, I'd hyphenate "south-east" et al. (as you've already done with Torfaen (Q643919)) and also "mid-Wales". Agreed re: Carmarthenshire, and Powys would also be a "principal area and preserved county". For further clarity I'd also add dates for the historic and preserved counties, because neither term makes it clear that they're defunct for local government purposes. So Monmouthshire (Q1245075) would be "historic county in south-east Wales (in use until 1974)" and Gwent (Q1376956) would be "preserved county in south-east Wales (in use 1974–96)". Ham II (talk) 07:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Or, more radically, both historic and preserved counties could be called "former county", with the dates indicating which local authority reshuffle they belong to? The exception would be Powys as that hasn't changed since 1974, so "principal area and preserved county" would still work best. Ham II (talk) 07:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and Anglesey, Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire: "principal area and historic county". Ham II (talk) 07:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

tourism website

I've removed the one that you have added in Conwy, Denbighshire and Flintshire because it shall be stored differently.

See Wikidata:Wikivoyage/Resources#Tourist_offices. Cheers, --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Andyrom75. I'd noticed the changes. I'd also had a look at the discussion that prompted the change. I had been meaning to comment there, because the definitions of official website and tourism office are both very confusing and ill-defined, and also I do not think it applies well to regions, rather than cities. I will take time to comment in detail at the discussion. Thanks Robevans123 (talk) 18:26, 9 October 2016 (UTC)