User talk:Rpajares
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References
[edit]Hi! For Histiaeus (Q451426), the issue was that the value was changed without giving a valid reference; now I have added it. If you have any question, of course you can ask me. Good evening, --Epìdosis 15:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Epidosis, this shows that I am new in Wikidata (not in Wikipedia). I don't find the Wikidata interface easy to navigate or user friendly. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for including the reference. I think I wouldn't be able to do it well. Rpajares (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Rpajares: so funnily enough, while several dictionnaries state that ἀνασταυρόω meant impale in Herodotus' and Thucydides' time, but only later by Polybius and Plutarchus crucify, most encyclopedias, starting with the RE (top of c. 2050), say Histiaeus was crucified. How are we suppose to model that? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Jahl de Vautban: honestly it's difficult, the best approximation I have in mind as of now is including inside the reference to the ancient source a link to a secondary source specifying its interpretation: I tried now to include RE in the reference for crucifixion and DGE in the reference for impalement. But we probably miss a property like "source of the interpretation", pointing to the item of the publication supporting a certain intepretation of a given primary source; it could be worth proposing it. --Epìdosis 16:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Rpajares: so funnily enough, while several dictionnaries state that ἀνασταυρόω meant impale in Herodotus' and Thucydides' time, but only later by Polybius and Plutarchus crucify, most encyclopedias, starting with the RE (top of c. 2050), say Histiaeus was crucified. How are we suppose to model that? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Histories
[edit]Melpomene (Q115780414) is the 4th book of Herodotus' Histories; Melpomene (Q103992) is a muse in Greek mythology. They are not the same. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- @EncycloPetey: Of course they are the same. The book is named after the muse, and there is no way that they might be different since they refer to the same entity: a specific muse. Of course, I was writing in Spanish, and in Spanish the name of the muse is "Melpómene", with an acent over the "o". I will revert your reversion, because you have reverted the rest of my changes, which I think they are correct, but this is debatable, and if you insist in reverting them again, I would appreciate some debate somewhere. Rpajares (talk) 21:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, EncycloPetey is correct. Make abstraction of the label and look at the statements: Melpomene (Q103992) is described as a mythological being, with father, mother, siblings, etc. Melpomene (Q115780414) on the other hand is described as part of a work, with an author and a language. The fact that you see either as "Melpomene" or "Melpómene" is defined on the label of each item; Melpomene (Q115780414) current label in Spanish doesn't have any accent: you are welcome to add it! Note also that while it is named "Melpomene", it also have the alias "Historias. Libro 4". Conceptually, it's difficult to imagine how the mythological being could be part of Histories (Q746583), while it's much more natural to understand that a work might be comprised of differents parts, in this case different books. Is it clearer this way? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Jahl de Vautban: Now I see it. Thank your for the time you used to explain this matter to me. I have put the Spanish accent in the correct Melpómene and I have changed the Historias page as well.
- @EncycloPetey: My apologies. I didn't unterstand your note and your reversion. Now I see that you were right. I hope this is now all right for everybody. Rpajares (talk) 11:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, EncycloPetey is correct. Make abstraction of the label and look at the statements: Melpomene (Q103992) is described as a mythological being, with father, mother, siblings, etc. Melpomene (Q115780414) on the other hand is described as part of a work, with an author and a language. The fact that you see either as "Melpomene" or "Melpómene" is defined on the label of each item; Melpomene (Q115780414) current label in Spanish doesn't have any accent: you are welcome to add it! Note also that while it is named "Melpomene", it also have the alias "Historias. Libro 4". Conceptually, it's difficult to imagine how the mythological being could be part of Histories (Q746583), while it's much more natural to understand that a work might be comprised of differents parts, in this case different books. Is it clearer this way? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)