User talk:Saklanan gerçekler

Hi, Saklanan gerçekler. According to Index Anatolicus, Yamaç, Muş corresponds to Կարահամզան. Are you sure your edit is correct?--Ben Men Lyun (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you're false. Karahamzan is not Karahamza. Look it up at Yorgançayır. Muş was not in the Genj province, by the way:

@Ben Men Lyun: Where are you from? Can you help me to match the corresponding villages? It is really hard work because most village names changed, some villages moved, were depopulated or have developed into towns, and there are different writing systems: Turkish (Latin), Western/Eastern Armenian, Ottoman (Arabic) and Kurdish/Zazaki (Latin). And the village list in the Armenian wikipedia is current as of 1915...--Saklanan gerçekler (talk) 13:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Clear, dear Saklanan gerçekler. Thanks for the thoroughness.

I'm from Armenia. Of course, the last few months I do the same work that you do. I will be glad to cooperate. Judging by the name, I guess you're from Turkey, right? Then let me ask you what is your motivation for this work?--Ben Men Lyun (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ben Men Lyun: My motivation? Well, at first it angers me to see with what bad intentions these village names were changed. I am trying to fix a little what's left of the cultural genocide. Even Turkish village names were changed simply because this village had been inhabited by Assyrians or Armenians. You are right, I am a Turk but I do not support racism or religious nationalism (I am from the Alevi-Bektashi religious minority myself, and I also do not support Anti-Turkish or Anti-Azerbaijani Armenian nationalism either. The problem why these conflicts can't be solved is because on both sides idiots with big mouths and small brains are having the might. But that's another topic.) It is also sad that after the murder of the Christian citizens (Greek genocide, Assyrian genocide, Armenian genocide), any trace of these minorities (as well as Zazas, Georgians or Yezidis) had to be erased.

Well, with the hope for justice in the future, I am also glad to cooperate. It is really difficult. I could identify only a part of these villages, and the administrative division of the Ottoman Empire changed. I've recently learned the Armenian script with this job but it's still hard.--Saklanan gerçekler (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

All clear, dear Saklanan gerçekler. It will be an honor for me to work with you.--Ben Men Lyun (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

If only there were good reliable sources like detailed maps or multilingual lists of place names for all those villages and hamlets mostly in the East of Turkey... Currently I'm adding name:hy, name:ku and name:zza tags to places on openstreetmap.org (OSM) - mainly using nisanyanmap.org, wikimapia.org as well as wikidata (WD) itself as source. But a lot of items I had to merge because users are adding articles for places without checking if that place does not already exist in another language on WD :/
My aim is to show OSM data for Turkey in Kurdish, Armenian, Georgian, Greek or whichever folk has once been living there ;) Would be nice to work on the same subject with you and @Ben Men Lyun: ;) --Katpatuka (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)