Wikidata:Property proposal/Antecedent anatomical structure
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antecedent anatomical structure[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science
Withdrawn
| Description | anatomical structure from which this structure evolved |
|---|---|
| Represents | homology (Q224180) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | instances or subclasses of anatomical structure (Q4936952) or its subclasses |
| Example 1 | elephant's trunk (Q64223507) → nose (Q7363) and upper lip (Q3740460) |
| Example 2 | auditory ossicle (Q816052) → jaw (Q180284) (qual. of (P642) Reptilia (Q10811)) |
| Example 3 | flipper (Q210882) → forelimb (Q5468632) |
| Example 4 | blowhole (Q389545) → nostril (Q858590) |
| Example 5 | tuber (Q183319) → rhizome (Q184208), stolon (Q633912), root (Q41500) |
| Example 6 | mammary gland (Q189961) → sweat gland (Q243784) |
| See also | made from material (P186), based on (P144), P5000 (P5000), derived from lexeme (P5191) |
Motivation[edit]
No existing property is appropriate to express this relation. We have similar properties for the antecedents of manufactured items (made from material (P186)), creative works (based on (P144)), chemical compounds (P5000 (P5000)), and lexemes (derived from lexeme (P5191)), but none for anatomical structures. The properties has part(s) (P527), part of (P361), and said to be the same as (P460) don't generally cover it; subclass of (P279), follows (P155), and has contributing factor (P1479) are often a stretch. Swpb (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Support David (talk) 09:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Biology
Notified participants of WikiProject Anatomy
- Before this property is ready we should analyse how this modeling relates to how the other biomedical ontologies model things. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ZI_Jony: Please don't mark a proposal like this as ready. The proposal has no input from domain experts at this time and the relevant Wikiprojects aren't yet contacted. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment Please note that we have develops from (P3094) for anatomical structures, although I can understand the current proposed property is different from it. We must clarify the difference to avoid misuses. How about renaming the current property to "evolutionary origin"? This property may also be useful in gene items or in taxon items. --Okkn (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, I wasn't aware of develops from (P3094) when I made this proposal. Maybe there is no need for a separate property, just an expansion of scope and some new aliases? If we could do that, I'd be inclined to withdraw this proposal. Swpb (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I am in favour of using develops from (P3094) because it explains the concept better. Sounds simpler too. --Netha Hussain (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, I wasn't aware of develops from (P3094) when I made this proposal. Maybe there is no need for a separate property, just an expansion of scope and some new aliases? If we could do that, I'd be inclined to withdraw this proposal. Swpb (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)