Wikidata:Property proposal/Hydrographic orientation
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tributary orientation
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science
Description | Specify if the stream confluence is a left bank or right bank tributary |
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Represents | watercourse (Q355304) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | Hydrography |
Allowed values | left bank (Q27834806) and right bank (Q27834918) |
Example | Shenandoah River (Q777907)
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- Motivation
- It is useful to know if a stream confluence is of left bank or right bank. --YanikB (talk) 12:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
- @YanikB: When you create a new property proposal please don't delete the motivation part but fill it and sign the proposal, so it's easy to see who created it. Don't label a proposal as ready the moment it get's created.
- When it comes to the examples, tell us which items should be associated with which other items.
- Currently, I don't think that the description is informative enough for a person who doesn't already know what the term "Hydrographic orientation" means. ChristianKl (talk) 11:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- Done --YanikB (talk) 12:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- @YanikB: thanks for updating but this makes no sense to me - and I can find no ready definition online of "hydrographic orientation". Do you have a source or explanation for what Shenandoah River (Q777907) → right bank means? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: The idea is to determine if a stream is of left bank or right bank. I found a name for this property from the article of WP bank (Q2897058). As I am French-speaking the English name may not make sense. Someone could translate ? --YanikB (talk) 14:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- @YanikB: the enwiki article for bank (Q2897058) shows a diagram with "left bank" and "right bank", but every river has both sides, I don't understand what your criterion is for choosing one side or the other here. I also looked at the article in French wikipedia which doesn't have that diagram and doesn't seem to mention "left" and "right" ("gauche" or "droit") at all (the first image shows a river with its two banks). Neither article mentions "hydrographic orientation" or "Orientation hydrographique" respectively, nor are there other articles anywhere in those wikipedias with that label or anything like it that I can find. Please point to a URL with a real reference here if this is really something you have source information for, because as you have explained it to this point I don't believe this makes any sense as a property at all. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: I should have mentioned that it is about the confluence with a main stream. So the Shenandoah(mouth of the watercourse (P403)) is a right bank tributary of the Potomac.--YanikB (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Ah, ok, I suppose that makes this well-defined. I see you've updated the definition. I wonder if the label could be better too. I'll look around if there's another term for this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: I should have mentioned that it is about the confluence with a main stream. So the Shenandoah(mouth of the watercourse (P403)) is a right bank tributary of the Potomac.--YanikB (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- @YanikB: the enwiki article for bank (Q2897058) shows a diagram with "left bank" and "right bank", but every river has both sides, I don't understand what your criterion is for choosing one side or the other here. I also looked at the article in French wikipedia which doesn't have that diagram and doesn't seem to mention "left" and "right" ("gauche" or "droit") at all (the first image shows a river with its two banks). Neither article mentions "hydrographic orientation" or "Orientation hydrographique" respectively, nor are there other articles anywhere in those wikipedias with that label or anything like it that I can find. Please point to a URL with a real reference here if this is really something you have source information for, because as you have explained it to this point I don't believe this makes any sense as a property at all. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Done --YanikB (talk) 12:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- Support ok I've modified the name to "tributary orientation" which seems to be the closest I can find to an English name for this. I think it's a good idea to have this property. However, it could also be done via instance of (P31)... ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- The name could also be "tributary bank confluence". --YanikB (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- The definition is a bit more clear but I would expect that most readers still don't know what it is about. Additionally I'm not sure whether left (Q13196750) and right (Q14565199) are the right items. How about items titled "left bank" and "right bank"? ChristianKl (talk) 21:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- Why not left bank (Q27834806) and right bank (Q27834918). --YanikB (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Given the example, is this property supposed to be used as a qualifier? ChristianKl (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: Ideally, but tools have some difficulty working with qualifiers. :( --YanikB (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith, ChristianKl: I have made a request to allow the use left bank (Q27834806) or right bank (Q27834918) as qualifier for mouth of the watercourse (P403) (Add qualifiers). --YanikB (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- Oups, a qualifier must be a proprety. So we need a new property In quite way. --YanikB (talk) 11:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith, ChristianKl: I have made a request to allow the use left bank (Q27834806) or right bank (Q27834918) as qualifier for mouth of the watercourse (P403) (Add qualifiers). --YanikB (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: Ideally, but tools have some difficulty working with qualifiers. :( --YanikB (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: I did it with instance of (P31) on mouth of the watercourse (P403) for Shenandoah River (Q777907) is it the good way to do ? --YanikB (talk) 11:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- I guess if there's no more specific property (such as your proposal here) then that's fine. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I tried to improved the sample presentation. Hope this is the way it's meant to be.
--- Jura 11:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC) - Support. Thryduulf (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf, ArthurPSmith, Jura1, YanikB: Done ChristianKl (talk) 13:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)