Wikidata:Property proposal/Instagram tag

Instagram tag

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	string used to identify a topic, on the Instagram image-sharing website
Represents	Instagram (Q209330)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[^\s\/]+
Example	puppy (Q39266) → puppy National Assembly (Q193582) → DirectAN Black Lives Matter (Q19600530) → BlackLivesMatter Je suis Charlie (Q18720579) → JeSuisCharlie
Source	https://www.instagram.com/explore/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Formatter URL	https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/$1/
See also	hashtag (P2572) Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/46#P2572

Motivation

Widely used website. Also available in kitten (Q147) or goat (Q2934) flavour. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:59, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support David (talk) 06:48, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
•  Question In which sense is this an external identifier? puppies, welpe, chiot all refer to the same concept, so the hashtag does not identify anything, neither is there an authority maintaining these tags. --Pasleim (talk) 17:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment. I agree that this is language related and thus should be linked, in the case of puppy, to an item that is about the string of letters puppy, not the actual animal puppy (Q39266). Or am I wrong? Thierry Caro (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
•  Support by analogy with hashtag (P2572). Mahir256 (talk) 03:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

   Oppose hashtag (P2572) has string datatype, not external id, and per its proposal discussion only sourced hashtags are accepted from official/stable sources, e.g. television programms, official webpages. I'm wondering which source claims that puppy is the correct tag for puppy (Q39266)? Why not puppydog, puppylove, puppystagram, puppys, puppies,小狗, lupetto welpe, welpen, welpenliebe, chiot? --Pasleim (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

  I tend to agree that this should be of datatype string as hashtag (P2572) is, but the given example for this proposal is pretty awful. I have added to this dummy example those hashtags from P2572's property proposal and property talk page, which link to well-populated tags on Instagram. Having done so, however, makes me wonder if there are instances where the Twitter hashtag and the Instagram hashtag are meant to differ. Mahir256 (talk) 00:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

•  Oppose with the current datatype but  Support if the datatype is changed to string − Pintoch (talk) 08:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Given that identifiers like this can make it to many items, I think from a usability perspective it's much better to have them listed under the identifier section. Why should it be in the main section @Pintoch, Mahir256:?

@ChristianKl: What is fundamentally different between this proposed property and P2572? Mahir256 (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mahir256: I think hashtag (P2572) would also be better of as external-id. When it comes to looking at existing properties that are similar, there's Quora topic ID (P3417). ChristianKl (talk) 18:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

After reconsidering my position, I generally oppose the creation of properties for tags on any social media platforms, no matter what the datatype is, given that they are not curated, noisy, redundant with the labels and aliases, and I just don't see why we should care about them in the first place. − Pintoch (talk) 14:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

 Support ~★ nmaia ^d 00:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Oppose datatype seems inconsistent with Twitter hashtags. Discussion was at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/46#P2572.
  --- Jura 09:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support This can 50% different from Instagram user accounts. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: It seems that the main opposition to this proposal is because of the data type and the examples provided. Could you change it to string and include only examples that reflect the usefulness of this property? (removing "puppy" could be a begining) Micru (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I see no need to repeat the error made with P2572's datatype; and clearly neither do the majority of those commenting, above. The examples are fine. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I think there is a significant difference between the way Quora's topics and these hashtags work: quora's topics are more curated (creating one is a significant action) whereas hashtags just start to exist the first time someone uses them… that's why I don't think they qualify as external identifiers. But in reality it seems to me that the Wikidata community has pretty much abandoned the idea of unique identifiers - external-id properties are just ways to insert hypertext links with template URLs and basically no unicity or stability requirement is imposed on the actual values of these properties. This is a bizarre state of affairs: if the identifier used by a platform already has a Wikidata property, then this is perceived as a hurdle to import that website (because some oppose the creation of a new property with the same values and a different formatter), whereas it should be a massive gain (matching is already done). But I am digressing, I guess… − Pintoch (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done there were no examples provided of official sources endorsing instagram tags. Micru (talk) 07:40, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• Follow-up discussion on Wikidata:Project_chat#Proposed_property_for_Instagram_tags.
  --- Jura 14:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)