Wikidata:Property proposal/also display sitelinks for
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also display sitelinks for[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
| Description | value's sitelinks should also be displayed by this item's sitelinks |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | thermal solar power station (Q285927) → concentrated solar power (Q56761669) (and vice versa) |
| Example 2 | Bonnie and Clyde (Q219937) → Bonnie Parker (Q2319886) and Clyde Barrow (Q3320282) |
| Example 3 | Clyde Barrow (Q3320282) → Bonnie and Clyde (Q219937) |
Motivation[edit]
For a not-insignificant number of items, some Wikipedias have an article for a closely related topic but not that topic itself. Wikipedia editors often complain about these topics not being sitelinked to each other. This property would link those groups of items as a temporary measure while it is not possible to natively link them this way in MediaWiki, similar to how permanent duplicated item (P2959) links alternate-script articles to their main item. (I'm not sure about the property name – maybe it should be changed?) Jc86035 (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Notified participants of WikiProject Cross Items Interwikis
- Not convinced. I your example the more precise item is probably a subclass of the more generic one, so you already can recover the sitelink following subclass of (P279). Why would you need another property for this ? (also valid for " Bonny and Clyde, but with « part of ». see WD:XLINK for more examples. author TomT0m / talk page 15:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- @TomT0m: Sometimes the relationship isn't obvious. For the first example, the former item is about a type of power station, whereas the latter item is about a class of electricity generation. The sitelinks generally discuss the same topic but frame it in a different way; one is not a subclass of or part of the other (and the "type of power station" German Wikipedia article is slightly broader in its scope). However, I am only aware of this example due to Rainald62's comments at m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Wikidata/Allow non one-to-one correspondence relationship in wikidata and display them in interlanguage link. Jc86035 (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: I just see there is an facet of (P1269)
statement beetween the two items, another extremely vague property … is not that enough, seriously ? We will end up with more vague properties to bake half bake solutions with meaningless relationship than relationships with meaning. Really this is something I do not want to encourage. author TomT0m / talk page 16:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: I just see there is an facet of (P1269)
- @TomT0m: Sometimes the relationship isn't obvious. For the first example, the former item is about a type of power station, whereas the latter item is about a class of electricity generation. The sitelinks generally discuss the same topic but frame it in a different way; one is not a subclass of or part of the other (and the "type of power station" German Wikipedia article is slightly broader in its scope). However, I am only aware of this example due to Rainald62's comments at m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Wikidata/Allow non one-to-one correspondence relationship in wikidata and display them in interlanguage link. Jc86035 (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: how does P2959 work for this? I haven't seen that in action - are there some wikipedia's with a gadget that supports it, or is it natively supported somehow? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: I don't know, although it should be possible with a Lua module (at least for articles on the same wiki). w:hak:台灣 uses a manual hatnote template to link to w:hak:Thòi-vân, but the two groups of interwiki links are separate. Jc86035 (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
- To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't really expect there to be any gadgets or modules for ameliorating the multiple-nonconvertible-varieties problem, since the Wikipedias that have this issue are largely on the tiny side. Jc86035 (talk) 16:09, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Oppose Most likely you need to said to be the same as (P460) or exact match (P2888) David (talk) 07:34, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment What about linking Wikipedia articles in umbrella items using instance of (P31)Wikipedia article covering multiple topics (Q21484471)?--Malore (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2018 (UTC)- Oppose No indication that the property would be used by Wikipedias. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- I would certainly use it, for example. We have many cases where articles have few exact matches, but many other languages where the same topic is covered in articles from a different Wikidata item. If you just look at the article it looks (wrongly) like the topic would have poor coverage in other languages. --mfb (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- You don't have a Wikipedia that you can fully control and where you have the power to decide how an interlanguage link extension gets installed. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- I would certainly use it, for example. We have many cases where articles have few exact matches, but many other languages where the same topic is covered in articles from a different Wikidata item. If you just look at the article it looks (wrongly) like the topic would have poor coverage in other languages. --mfb (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Wouldn't this be specific to each Wikipedia? --- Jura 20:50, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Redirects solve the problem and we had the RfC for allowing them. Additionally, it's specific to the individual Wikipedia. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Not done No support.--Micru (talk) 14:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)