Wikidata:Property proposal/at

to

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	For use as a qualifier of statements with relegated (P2882) or promoted (P2881).
Data type	Item
Example	⟨ 2015–16 Premier League (Q19346732)    ⟩ relegated (P2882) ⟨ Newcastle United F.C. (Q18716)    ⟩ to Search ⟨ Q24067533 ⟩ .
Planned use	Add it to many pages that are using relegated (P2882) or promoted (P2881)

Motivation

I need a qualifier to show where a team promoted or relegated, to show where the team played the next season due to promotion or relegation of the previous season. Xaris333 (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment In English at least, I don't think that "at" is the right thing for your use case. I would expect "at" to have a value of a location, an event or a time of day. "to" is what I'd expect, or possibly something more specific if "to" is too generic for others. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thryduulf Ok, rename to "to". Xaris333 (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

•  Oppose This should be computable, once the old league is marked with its next highest and lowest league. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Andy Mabbett An example:

⟨ 2015–16 Cypriot First Division (Q19906304)    ⟩ relegated (P2882) ⟨ Pafos FC (Q17442894)    ⟩
to Search ⟨ Q24067920 ⟩

Is different from:

⟨ 2015–16 Cypriot First Division (Q19906304)    ⟩ league level below (P2500) ⟨ 2015–16 Cypriot Second Division (Q19905070)    ⟩

Xaris333 (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @Pigsonthewing: It is only computable when both leagues have exactly one league above and exactly one league below, this is not always true. For example lower leagues very often have different geographical scope. For example a team relegated from National League (Q58916) may play the next season in either National League North (Q59041) or National League South (Q58915) depending on geography not only of the relegated team but also that of other teams relegated to, promoted from and promoted to the level below National League (Q58916). A team in the Midlands may also move between leagues without promotion or relegation to balance the leagues (e.g. if only southern teams are relegated from the national level). The representation method on Wikidata must work for all levels, not just national to national. Thryduulf (talk) 12:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me computable from the fact that the team is in session A in league X and in season B in league Y. If I additional know that the team was relegated it seems to me like all information is available. ChristianKl (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

•  Support as "to". Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

•  Oppose as "to". There should be a better (maybe generalized term) for promoted or relegated --Succu (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Succu Like what? Suggest one... Xaris333 (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Nope, Xaris333, it's your turn to clarify your propsal (at/to). --Succu (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

But you are saying There should be a better (maybe generalized term).... How can you be sure about that? What are we going to do? We need the qualifier. Xaris333 (talk) 13:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

•  Oppose ChristianKl (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

ChristianKl, why? Can you suggest something else; I am trying to find something. Xaris333 (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

As I said above (and without getting a reply) the information is already possible to be calculated. Furthermore a short word like "to" as a high likelihood of being abused in for different purposes besides the one's defined here. ChristianKl (talk) 19:19, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• Not done, no consensus to create. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)