Wikidata:Property proposal/branch of
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anatomical branch of[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science
| Description | main stem of this blood vessel, lymphatic vessel or nerve |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Template parameter | "BranchFrom" in en:Template:Infobox_artery and en:Template:Infobox nerve, and "DrainsTo" in en:Template:Infobox vein |
| Domain | anatomical structure |
| Allowed values | anatomical structure (Q4936952) |
| Example | brachiocephalic artery (Q515917) → aorta (Q101004) |
| See also | Wikidata:Property proposal/has branch |
- Motivation
There is no property that can describe the relation between a larger vessel and its branches; for example, brachiocephalic artery (Q515917) is neither instance of (P31) nor subclass of (P279) nor part of (P361) of aorta (Q101004). --Okkn (talk) 05:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- What about the relationship between the common carotid and the external and internal arteries? The answer depends on what precisely is denoted by 'common carotid'. Is it a single tube or a bifurcating tree? It's not always clear. Anatomy ontologies such as FMA and Uberon attempt to be precise about their classes, which allows the use of more precise object properties (for example, in RO we distinguish between branching-part-of which is a sub-tree relationship and entails part-of, and connecting-branch-of, which is tree-splitting and entails not-part-of). I don't know what level of precision WD wants but I suspect it would be easier to keep things fuzzier and to use a property that hedges between the two RO relations mentioned. Cmungall (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- In my view, external carotid artery (Q125276) and internal carotid artery (Q515848) are not parts of common carotid artery (Q214275). Both external carotid artery (Q125276) and internal carotid artery (Q515848) are arising from external carotid artery (Q125276), not arising in. I think the main stem (common carotid artery) ends at the carotid sinus (Q956224) and connects to two branching arteries. This may be same as the relation between trachea (Q175449) and bronchus (Q181602). --Okkn (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- I think it's very valuable to have precise properties. It's sometimes a bit of work but it prevents misunderstandings.ChristianKl (talk) 13:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Medicine --Okkn (talk) 12:55, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
- Discussion
Support ChristianKl (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)- Comment: This could also apply to canals, railways, etc. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't think of such cases, but it is quite possible if needed. --Okkn (talk) 15:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
- RO branching relations are designed for both anatomy and geographical structures Cmungall (talk) 03:09, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't think of such cases, but it is quite possible if needed. --Okkn (talk) 15:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: I think this would align with the term 'in branching relationship with' from the Relation Ontology. Perhaps their definition can help here: http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/RO_0002375 --I9606 (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
- in branching relationship with is probably too broad, it's a grouping relation and doesn't distinguish direction (thus a tree trunk is a branching relationship with its branches, and the branches are in a branching relationship with the trunk). But have a look around this "branch" of the RO, some of the sub-relations may better targets (note: the 2016-08-24 release of RO won't propagate to browsers for a few days). The two main ones are branching-part-of and connecting-branch-of. See http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ro/docs/branching_part_of.png for an explanation of the difference. Cmungall (talk) 03:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Question could someone give examples outside of anatomy? If this property is for anatomical structure only I'd oppose the current name and suggest some more specific name such as "anatomic branch of". -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- But I don't mind adopting "anatomic branch of". --Okkn (talk) 03:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
- It seems that the rivers currently do fine with mouth of the watercourse (P403) and tributary (P974) ChristianKl (talk) 11:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- OBO defines "distributary of" as "if and only if x is capable of channeling the flow of a substance to y, where y channels less of the substance than x". I would advocate copying those semantics as they can be used more broadly and it's also valuable to have the same semantics as OBO. ChristianKl (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- I proposed to broaden the definition for tributary (P974) at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P974#Use_for_veins_in_anatomy , so maybe we can create hear a "distributary of" property and can describe most that's relevant with tributary (P974) and it? ChristianKl (talk) 20:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I renamed the property label of this proposal in order to specify the range. --Okkn (talk) 17:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- I think the property works in it's current form. Does anybody object? @Pigsonthewing, Okkn, JakobVoss, Cmungall:ChristianKl (talk) 20:36, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Okkn, Cmungall, ChristianKl, JakobVoss:
Done Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 04:20, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
