Wikidata:Property proposal/statistical leader
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statistical leader
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports
| Description | leader of a sports tournament in one of statistical qualities (points, assists, rebounds etc.) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | probably only humans, maybe also teams |
| Example | FIBA EuroBasket 2015 (Q2360003) → Pau Gasol (Q193052) (with qualifier criterion used (P1013) → points per game (Q7208402)) |
- Motivation
We need to include this information somehow in items about tournaments. In a perfect world I would also include the value (for example in proposal template: 25.6), but don't think we have something suitable. The closest, what I found, is numeric value (P1181). Edgars2007 (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- Discussion
- What is a statistical leader? Your description should actually describe the concept, or in your proposal point to the item associated. --Izno (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Izno: I do suck in describing things :) Well, statistical leader is my attemt to generalize things, so that we don't need many properties, but can live with one. Statistical leader is person, who has scored the most points/goals in tournament (in football, ice hockey), has the most points per game in tournament (basketball) etc. For basketball I was going to use it also for most rebounds per game and most assists per game (see infobox at enwiki). I have answered your question? Maybe "Tournament leader" will be better? But that can probably mean also something else. --Edgars2007 (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Weak opposeIt seems to me like the description of the item doesn't explain to the average user what the item is about. It might be more useful to have more specific properties that are more clear. ChristianKl (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: I tried to do my best, changing label and description. I would really like to stick to one property, not splitting things. When I was proposing a pretty specific property for sports tournaments (MVP), I got some oppose and suggestions to use broader :) About "to the average user what the item is about" - well, I probably won't understand almost nothing from chemistry/biology properties, no matter what labels or description says. And I am an average user :) --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Quite a lot of people on the street care for ice hockey tournament results and basketball results but don't care for more complicated chemistry/biology properties. I'm no sports fan, so you are right that it's not central that I understand what the term means but I'm not sure that the core audience does. Maybe it would be good to have opinions of other people who deal with sports data. Do we have a Wikiproject for sports that you can ping here, to get more domain expert input?
- How about "top player" as a name for the property? ChristianKl (talk) 20:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- "statistical leader" would have the advantage that it would allow the qualifier to specify what it means in the context of the competition. Which type of statistics being used depends on the competition. The general winner would obviously not be added using this property.
--- Jura 12:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- "statistical leader" would have the advantage that it would allow the qualifier to specify what it means in the context of the competition. Which type of statistics being used depends on the competition. The general winner would obviously not be added using this property.
- @ChristianKl: I tried to do my best, changing label and description. I would really like to stick to one property, not splitting things. When I was proposing a pretty specific property for sports tournaments (MVP), I got some oppose and suggestions to use broader :) About "to the average user what the item is about" - well, I probably won't understand almost nothing from chemistry/biology properties, no matter what labels or description says. And I am an average user :) --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Pinging projects, that should be interested.
Notified participants of WikiProject Association football
Notified participants of WikiProject Olympics. --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Comment Given the feedback (or the absence thereof) I changed it back to "statistical leader".
--- Jura 11:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Support. Thryduulf (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Can this apply for top goalscorer of a league? Xaris333 (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
- As I already said in Project chat - yes. --Edgars2007 (talk) 18:58, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support Xaris333 (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Done @Xaris333, Edgars2007: it's seems that people are fine with the current definition. Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 11:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
