Wikidata:Property proposal/transitivity
transitivity
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes
| Description | property for transitivity (Q830012) |
|---|---|
| Represents | transitivity (Q830012) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | verbs |
| Example 1 | создать (L297630) → transitive verb (Q1774805) |
| Example 2 | MISSING |
| Example 3 | MISSING |
Motivation
[edit](Add your motivation for this property here.) Deepsaged (talk) 06:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]I think this property should be applied on Sense because some verbs can be both transitive and intransitive, at least in Franch depending on the sense. Pamputt (talk) 07:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- My preferred option would be to add it to lexemes and when a verb can be transitive or intransitive, also add transitivity statements to individual senses. We could maybe use ambitransitive verb (Q4115075) at the lexeme level. - Nikki (talk) 11:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
@Pamputt: Even if we use this for sense we also need transitivity property, or I miss some thing? Deepsaged (talk) 20:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right, this property is interesting anyway. I was just talking about where to place this proposal in this page. Pamputt (talk) 08:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
I just found has characteristic (P1552) and i see examples where relations marked with it. Please look жена (L108683) has characteristic (P1552) animate (Q51927507) . I do not think it is good idea to use has characteristic (P1552) for all cases if we do not have exact property. If we try to write SPARQL to get animacy or transitivity marked with has characteristic (P1552) we'll have to list all animacy/transitivity variants in this query or join addition level using subclass of (P279) animacy (Q1250335) . So I think we also need to create animacy property Deepsaged (talk) 09:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Deepsaged: There should be a description that explains the property is about. Ideally, one that doesn't just repeat the word transitivity. A good description allows people to find better translations when a word can be translated in multiple ways. Wikitext is also not allowed in descriptions. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: I do not know how to explain it in other way that is done in transitivity (Q830012). Should I copy text "property of verbs that relates to whether a verb can take direct objects and how many such objects a verb can take" from it to description?
Comment I have been using instance of (P31) for some Danish verbs, see, https://ordia.toolforge.org/property/P31/value/Q1774805 — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)- @Deepsaged, Pamputt, Nikki, ChristianKl, Fnielsen:
Not done Stale and unsupported. Please reference this discussion if you propose this property again. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
