Wikidata:Property proposal/venue of the grand final

Venue of the grand final

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports

   Not done

Description	Property proposed for indicating in an item related to an edition of sports tournament that has a grand final game, the venue of that game. The property should have at least as qualifier location (P276)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"Finale" in Q69895479
Domain	luoghi
Allowed units	subclasses of sports venue (Q1076486)
Example 1	1990 FIFA World Cup (Q132529) → Stadio Olimpico (Q159884)
Example 2	2007 Rugby World Cup (Q124753) → Stade de France (Q13205)
Example 3	2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup (Q4630359) → Cadillac Arena (Q1321458)
Example 4	2014 Women's Rugby World Cup (Q1823040) → Stade Jean-Bouin (Q670499)
Planned use	Import data from local templates and centralize such information

Motivation

I noticed that the items related to the [editions of] sports tournaments with a grand final (a single-match final game) lack a property where to indicate both the venue and the city of the final. The property should indicate the venue and it should have a qualifier that indicates the location (location (P276)). -- Blackcat (talk) 17:06, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Oppose Duplicate with final event (P3967). -- GZWDer (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

  @GZWDer: no, it's not. final event (P3967) is the item related to the event of the final, for those projects that have an article on their own for the final; this property has the goal to provide the item of a sports season with a field that reports uniquely the venue and the city where the final took place. Thus your opposition has no ground, if the reason is that. -- Blackcat (talk) 14:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose. Create the item for the final and use final event (P3967). Thierry Caro (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

  @Thierry Caro:, it's not the same thing, I've already told that. This property has the purpose to concentrate in the wikidata item of an edition of a tournament the venue where its final took place, so that every article can import the value from Wikidata. the iten final event (P3967) it's of no use for that purpose. It's useful only if you have a separate page for the grand final, but not every tournament has a page for the final, nor every projects has the policy of creating a separate page. There's no reason for opposing to a common sense purpose. -- Blackcat (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose. Per Thierry. It's a much better way to go. Jheald (talk) 17:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
•  Not done I can understand the proposer's reasoning, but other users have correctly pointed out that it would be better to create a separate item for the final event; there doesn't need to be a page for the final to create an item for it. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 17:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

  @Blackcat: if the final event has an item, you can use lua to retrieve the location:

local item = frame.args["title"] and mw.wikibase.getEntityIdForTitle( args["title"] ) or mw.wikibase.getEntityIdForCurrentPage() or error('No entity');
local finalEvent = mw.wikibase.getAllStatements( item, 'P3967' );
local finalEventItem = finalEvent[1]["mainsnak"]["datavalue"]["value"]["id"];
local finalEventLocation = mw.wikibase.getAllStatements( finalEventItem, 'P276' );
local location = finalEventLocation[1]["mainsnak"]["datavalue"]["value"];

Hope that is helpful --DannyS712 (talk) 01:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Of course you're aware that such solution is the triumph of cumbersomeness, @DannyS712:: whereas we have for sure an item for each edition of torunament we should create an additional item for its final then overload the template with supplemental code in order to read a simple 20-byte string from a related item... Much like using a train to transport one passenger only. I thought that we were here to simplify things, not to complicate them. -- Blackcat (talk) 11:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)