Wikidata:Requests for comment/Help:Basic membership properties
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- No consensus for implementation after over a year. I would suggest refactoring the proposal and soliciting more input before resubmitting this. --Rschen7754 21:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Introduction[edit]
Help:Basic membership properties has been an help page since the very beginning of the project, but it currently have a {{Draft}}
template as a header. Time to remove it doesn't it ?
This RfC is of the same spirit of Adopt Help:Classification as an official help page, which is related to this one because it is about instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279).
Help:Basic membership properties is about 4 generic properties, instance of (P31), subclass of (P279), has part(s) (P527) and part of (P361).
Behind this, there is questions about part of (P361) usage. There is often question about whether or not it should be used, for example here on chemistry or here about genre (the discussions I'm involved this on this issues) TomT0m (talk) 16:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatives[edit]
- Adopt it as is, and link it in properties like instance of (P31) part of (P361) as a complement of documentation
- Adopt it with changes : if so, what changes are needed.
Discussions and votes[edit]
Discussions[edit]
- There needs to be some introduction to the issue on the page, talking about what instance, subclass, and part are supposed to be for. The examples are illustrative, but without some explanatory material they are not has helpful as they need to be. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 17:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Votes[edit]
Adopt as is[edit]
- Absolutely, though if someone suggests addition that's fine with me. --Izno (talk) 03:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- --Pasleim (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Popcorndude (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Emw (talk) 02:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changes are needed[edit]
Please precise in discussions section.
- metaclass, has part, quarks - see discussion. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to adopt, but strongly encourage we include instance of (P31):human (Q5) for people as an example. This is a very widespread convention but doesn't really seem to be documented anywhere! Andrew Gray (talk) 16:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The help page has to say something about inheritance or granularity. This page doesn't provide enough help in order to create a classification: just providing examples is not enough to let people starting to classify items. Instead of multiplying help pages (why do we need a Help:Basic membership properties and a Help:Classification page ? Can't we merge these pages in a general page ?) we should focus on some principles. Examples are useless when facing multiples unrelated fields. Snipre (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- According to this paper we should redefine the definition of part of (P361) to a more constraint definition to avoid wrong inferences. Otherwise this implies that part of (P361) is not the inverse of has part(s) (P527).Snipre (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The page needs some introduction on what it is for. Right now, all there is are some examples. On the other hand, there needs to be some help page on this central issue. I'm willing to put some time into making changes. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]