Wikidata talk:Property proposal

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Proposal backlog

When I look at the property proposals I often find ones that have been ignored by the community for months, e.g. [1] and [2].

I believe we should have a bot look for proposals that have been unanswered (= no edits by users other than the proposer) for three days or more, list them and (with opt-in) notify the community.

What do you think? Jonathan Groß (talk) 08:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

This one has been around since May without any response; even were it to be a fortnight instead of three days, that could be an improvement, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Dedicated page for describing the property proposal process

I would like to move the instructions from Wikidata:Property_proposal/Header and at the top of Wikidata:Property_proposal to a centralized page at Wikidata:Property proposal process that combines the current instructions with those at Wikidata:Creating a property proposal.

I would like to this as I would like to expand on the current instructions and add screenshots of how to edit the current property proposal template. These additions would make the template at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Header much longer and thus a dedicated page would be better.

The OpenStreetMap project has a page like this.

Thoughts? Do you  Support? Lectrician1 (talk) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I made a draft page. User:Lectrician1/Property proposal process Lectrician1 (talk) 00:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure if the Determining the relationship direction section is accurate. There are over one hundred properties using inverse constraints. Of course, not all of these are parent–child type relations, but for example edition or translation of (P629)/has edition or translation (P747) is (and actually represents a relation very similar to release of (P9831)). They are probably for the benefit of Lua usage: there’s no way (not even a workaround) to get statements pointing to an item using Lua. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi It’s time that we give community feedback on this topic to the devteam. Let’s get a collection of usecases that might be useful and that the API we wish to solve.

Last time I remember talking to Lydia on this topic, like years ago, she asked for this and unfortunately the discussion stopped on this. Let’s draft a proposal.

I think the bare minimum is a function

getStatementsReferencingAsMainValue(item, property) => [Statement list] -- gets all "property" statements that have "item" as main value. Of course with a number limit as getting all "instance of : human" is unrealistic and mostly useless, this is not a lua usecase.

Optional requirements :

• be able to filter statements according to the presence of some qualifier
• be able to filter statements according to the presence of some qualifier/value pairs
• be able to filter statements according to the presence of some qualifier/set of value pairs

This should solved most of a usecase for inverse properties.

Optionally, but less useful, for cases like "union / disjoint union of" :

getStatementsReferencingAsQualifier value(item, property, qualifier) => [Statement list]

-- get all "property" statements, whatever the main value, that gets a "qualifier" valued "item"

This is what I can think of right now. Who to ping ? I’ll draft a Request for comment. author  TomT0m / talk page 09:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Done : see Wikidata:Requests for comment/Inverse property access for wikis : a lua API request for the development team author  TomT0m / talk page 09:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi Most of those properties were proposed a few years ago when we didn't care about the proliferation of inverse properties. Mostly all property proposals in recent years that propose inverse properties get rejected or revised to not include an inverse after comments from the community not supporting it. This guideline is to inform users of this likely possibility. Lectrician1 (talk) 17:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi @TomT0m The draft page has been updated to about it's final state. Looks good? Anything else? Lectrician1 (talk) 20:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposal review request

I came up with a reasonably sizable set of statements to add, which is ready to be added right now, but then I realized that it probably needs a new property before I can add them. I'd appreciate it if people could review Wikidata:Property proposal/Performing organization quickly so I can actually add the data. Thanks. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 05:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)