Wikidata talk:WikiProject Equines

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Pedigree databases list[edit]

Tsaag Valren (talk)
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Notified participants of WikiProject Horses Hello. I've added some pedigree databases in a list. most of them use specifics id for each horse and so could be used here with the right template --Tsaag Valren (talk) 08:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Example with the horse Nankin :

Allbreedpedigree is the only one without id number

@Tsaag Valren: I made the requests! Support them! Tubezlob (🙋) 08:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Notified participants of WikiProject Equines Great. Who can finish to create these properties ? --Tsaag Valren (talk) 19:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Tsaag Valren: A property creator should do that after at least one week. I asked on the project chat if someone wants to do that. Tubezlob (🙋) 10:35, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They are create! Tubezlob (🙋) 17:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ummm... I've collected some studbook links around. Can be found on my userpage. Hopefully they'll be useful.Fruitmince (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Fruitmince: Thank you. I copied your page on this page: Wikidata:WikiProject Equines/Studbooks. There are some properties that you want to create?

New properties needed[edit]

Tsaag Valren (talk)
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Notified participants of WikiProject Horses Hello again. For horse WD pages, we will need new property to work with equine pedigree databases.

  • Coat color, instead of "color" property.
  • "Stud-book" or "horse breed". For exemple there's 2 differents stud-books for Belgian Warmblood, BWP and SbS. In sporthorses, for WBFSH, it's working with "stud-book" data, not "horse breed" data. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tsaag Valren: I think we should create a request for the coat color, it's important. You want to do this? Tubezlob (🙋) 16:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tubezlob: I don't know how to do this :/ --Tsaag Valren (talk) 20:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tsaag Valren: It's here: Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science. You have to fill a form in English (enter the name of the property in the field at the top of the page and follow the instructions). Tubezlob (🙋) 21:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tsaag Valren, Tubezlob: I think that, before orposing a property, we should improve items about coat colors (right now, there is only bay (Q900906), gray (Q1145422), white horse (Q1237438), chestnut (Q1406070), palomino (Q1996502), grullo (Q3491937), palomino (Q19843165) with instance of (P31) = equine coat color (Q876459) ; and gris souris (Q3491936), variegation (Q20918614) with subclass of (P279) = equine coat color (Q876459), there is a lot missing...). And a message on Property talk:P462 would be a good idea too. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Might be wise to name this WikiProject Equine, as is done on en.wiki -- allows for asses, mules, other equids to be incorporated. Montanabw (talk) 07:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: Yes, but a lot of WikiProjects on Wikidata have a name with plural (WikiProject Movies, WikiProject Websites, WikiProject Languages, WikiProject Ships, etc.). Tubezlob (🙋) 16:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New Property needed[edit]

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Notified participants of WikiProject Horses

Hello everyone, I suggest to add the property "related horses", or even rename the property "mount" (P3091) as "related horses", because "mount" is relevant for jockeys and riders, but not at all concerning the horse trainers, who of course don't ride the horses. I'm afraid I'm not able to do it myself (the process to create a new property on wikidata is definitively puzzling for a layman), so if someone had the kindness to do it, I would really appreciate. Many thanks in advance. Glissando (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour à tous, Je propose de créer une propriété "chevaux associés", voire de renommer ainsi la propriété "monture" (P3091), utile pour les cavaliers et les jockeys, mais pas du tout pour les entraîneurs de chevaux, lesquels ne montent évidemment pas leurs protégés. Radicalement béotien sur wikidata, et complètement découragé par le processus de création de propriété particulièrement obscur, j'en appelle à votre aide, et vous remercie par avance, Bien à vous, Glissando (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Glissando:
The problem with mount (P3091) is that this property is not only for horses, but also for all real-life animals and subclasses of fictional organism (Q1972868). So I don't think that we can rename "mount" for "related horses". Or maybe we can create a property "related animal" more general. What do you think about it?
I can make the property proposal if you want!
Tubezlob (🙋) 09:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Le problème avec mount (P3091) est que cette propriété n'est pas uniquement dédiées aux chevaux, mais également à tous les animaux de la réalité et sous-classes de fictional organism (Q1972868). Donc je ne pense pas que l'on puisse renommer « monture » en « chavaux associés ». Ou peut-être pouvons-nous créer la propriété « animal associé », plus générale. Qu'en penses-tu ?
Je peux faire la proposition de propriété, si tu veux !
Tubezlob (🙋) 09:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Tubezlob:
Bonjour Tubezlob, tu as raison, je n'avais pas pensé à ce que tu dis. Il faudrait donc mieux en effet créer une nouvelle propriété "chevaux associés". Je dis "chevaux associés" au pluriel plutôt que "animal associé", parce que cette propriété renverrait à des noms de chevaux (et "animal associé" serait trop générique) et pourrait être utilisée pour les entraîneurs, les propriétaires, les écuries, etc. (pour lesquels "animal associé" serait vraiment bizarre). Si tu peux proposer la création de cette propriété pour moi, ce serait super ! Merci beaucoup.
Glissando (talk) 03:13, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Glissando: Bonjour, d'accord je crée la demande pour « chevaux associés ». Mais je pense que « animal/aux associé/s » n'est peut-être pas trop générique (mieux vaut avoir les propriétés les plus générales possible, pour ne pas surcharger) ; nous verrons bien les avis sur la page de proposition de la propriété. Tubezlob (🙋) 09:32, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pour les propriétaires, je pense qu'il faut simplement utiliser les propriétés owner of (P1830) (sur l'élément du propriétaire) et owned by (P127) (sur l'élément du cheval). Tubezlob (🙋) 09:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The property proposal: Wikidata:Property proposal/Related horses Tubezlob (🙋) 10:32, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Racehorses on Wikidata:Database reports/items without claims categories/enwiki[edit]

The following categories from English Wikipedia just appeared there:

I added instance of (P31) = racehorse (Q10855242) to these, but maybe you want to add more. The following query should find most of them (and many more):

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: instance of (P31)  View with Reasonator View with SQID
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel 
{
  	?item wdt:P31 wd:Q10855242 .
  	?item wikibase:statements 1 .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" . }
}
Try it!

Cheers.
--- Jura 15:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harasire[edit]

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Notified participants of WikiProject Equines and @Nono314:

Hi all,

Identifiers of Infochevaux ID (P3169) has changed, we need to change all the data (query)…

Tubezlob (🙋) 08:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tubezlob: do you have more information? especially: is there an automatic way to convert our old identifiers into the new ones? If not, we'll have to do all by hands... Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so, it was signalled by Pasleim in the property talk page. This identifier is not official (in opposition to SIRE number, which is private). Tubezlob (🙋) 09:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Tubezlob: @Pasleim:
Old ids are still there as hidden fields and seem to be actionable by logged in users, so it might not be a good idea to replace them by new ones. Maybe just remove the formatter and optionally create a new property? What do you think?
In any case, care should be taken, unlike what Pasleim did by pointing to a wrong entry with the new identifier, which is now totally irrelevant :( It's a pity for an example displayed on talk page.
It's even possible to write a few lines of code to scrape the correct new ids if needed -- Nono314 (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Racehorse[edit]

Hi y'all,

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Notified participants of WikiProject Equines

I'm doing a Wikidata SPARQL workshop with Tsaag Valren and we talked about removing all the instance of (P31) = racehorse (Q2442470). In the first step, I'm adding horse (Q726) to all these horses. In a second step, I will remove the instance of (P31) = racehorse (Q2442470) (I've checked none has references, except imported from Wikimedia project (P143) and only for a small subset) but before doing that, is there a way to store this data? and should it even be store? (ie. can it be inferred by other better ways? I'm thinking about participant (P710)/participant in (P1344)).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:07, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Racehorse is, of course, not a "nature", but a specific usage. The date could be stored as participant (P710)/participant in (P1344)) => Q5369934 (flat races), or Q2300237 (steeple-chase), or Q1194269 (harnessed trotting race). Thanks. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Test with sport (P641) => flat racing (Q5369934) / thoroughbred horse racing (Q3214425) ? --Tsaag Valren (talk) 09:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why not has use (P366)racehorse (Q2442470)? Tubezlob (🙋) 09:38, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tsaag Valren, Tubezlob: in French since we all speak French. participant (P710) ne convient pas, d'une part car cette propriété est réservé à des événéments spécifiques et précis (comme 2012 Summer Olympics (Q8577) voir même plus précis comme equestrian at the 2012 Summer Olympics – team dressage (Q3082335)) et d'autre part car avec racehorse (Q2442470) j'ai juste l'information générale « course ». Idem en partie pour sport (P641) car le second problème se pose, je n'ai aucune idée de la course précise (et je n'ai pas sûr d'avoir trouvé d'élément général : serait-ce horse racing (Q187916) ? mais n'est-ce pas trop général ?). Au final, l'idée de Tubezlob de prendre has use (P366) est peut-être ce qu'il y a de mieux. J'hésite avec sport (P641)... Qu'en pensez-vous ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses ! Oui, has use (P366) semble ce qu'il y a de mieux, car on pourra aussi y mettre des dates d'activité et préciser l'existence d'un usage parallèle comme reproducteur, chose impossible avec la propriété "sport". --Tsaag Valren (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(back in English to summarize for everyboy) I did the move of racehorse (Q2442470) from instance of (P31) to has use (P366) (maybe not the best property but at least the information is not lost, so it can be improve later if needed). In the same way, I also did the move of Thoroughbred (Q210826) from instance of (P31) to animal breed (P4743) (this move was obvious). Now only a few items have a second value in addition to horse (Q726), see this query -66 results right now), these items should and should be corrected by hand. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @VIGNERON:, only 2 remaining items have a second value in addition to horse (Q726) now, and the 2 are taxidermised horses. Maybe we could create a specific value "taxidermised horse" uneder "horse" and "taxidermised animal", but that's not an urgence : for now, each individual horse is categorized horse (Q726). Most of the 66 items with a second value where categorized as gelding (Q506461), for this, a previous discussion conclued that we should add significant event (P793) => castration (Q58929), as no living being is a "gelding" or "castrated" by nature. Many thanks --Tsaag Valren (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Property proposal/Universal equine life number[edit]

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Hi all, I've proposed, with VIGNERON's help, the Wikidata:Property proposal/Universal equine life number --Tsaag Valren (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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