Wikidata talk:WikiProject NFDI

NFDI consortia as instances (not subclasses) of organization (Q43229)

Currently all NFDI consortia are described as subclass of (P279) organization (Q43229). I would argue that a consortium is not a class, so this should rather be instance of (P31) organization (Q43229) Wiljes (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Indeed subclass of (P279) organization (Q43229) does not look natural for NFDI consortia. May be those statements should be removed. Strictly speaking at the moment every NFDI consortium is just a research project (Q1298668) funded within five years by DFG. So it's not an organization (Q43229) at least now. I've added claims instance of (P31) research project (Q1298668) to accepted NFDI consortium (Q98270496). But at some point NFDI consortia may get permanent funding, then may be they become "real" organisations... Another argument to have instance of (P31) accepted NFDI consortium (Q98270496) is practical: we can select all NFDI consortia in SPARQL queries easily. RShigapov (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I share your reasoning about the consortia not yet being organization (Q43229) but still project (Q170584) because of the time-limited funding. On the other hand, I would argue that the consortia have already been founded for permanent operation, so classifying them as organization (Q43229) could be justified. The National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) as a whole is classified as an organization (Q43229). But then the consortia are - to my knowledge - not independent legal entities ("juristische Personen"). In any case, we should discuss if the consortia are really research project (Q1298668) because they do not do research but infrastructure development and operation. Wiljes (talk) 23:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, NFDI is a registered association (e.V.), so it is an organization.

Yes, the individual consortia are not legal entities.

On considering the consortia as organizations: that's complicated. In BERD-NFDI we are advised to avoid making impression through our social media that BERD-NFDI is an organization or legal entity. We use the word "initiative" instead. See https://twitter.com/BERD_NFDI and https://www.berd-nfdi.de. If I correctly understood my colleagues this can cause tax obligations otherwise. Therefore at the moment I would not treat the consortia as organizations at Wikidata. But I am curious what are opinions of people in other consortia.

RShigapov Cord Wiljes Florian Thiery User:Egon Willighagen Loz.ross Konrad Förstner Callmejonah User:Daniel Mietchen User:Solfatara User:Inablu Nils Casties stovarište Physikerwelt Lukas C. Bossert pita.nds Ziyad Christian Vater Fingerhuth Oliver Koepler User:Joshmoore Harvey37 Joachim Neubert Etienne Posthumus S.v.Mering Kristbaum Multinice Wolf Zinke

Notified participants of WikiProject NFDI

Regarding the consortia are research project (Q1298668): at the moment GEPRIS project ID (P4870) has subject type constraint (Q21503250) to instance of (P31) research project (Q1298668). That constraint seems to be reasonable since DFG mainly funds research projects. But we could relax that constraint probably if there is a good replacement for research project (Q1298668) in instance of (P31) for the consortia.

RShigapov (talk) 19:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

My initial comment was about subclass of (P279) organization (Q43229) This would imply that consortia are classes - which they are not. instance of (P31) organization (Q43229) would be OK in my opinion, even though a consortium is not an organization in the legal sense. If we want to cover that, we could say instance of (P31) project (Q170584) Wiljes (talk) 16:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Python library NFDI & Jupyter Book NFDI

RShigapov Cord Wiljes Florian Thiery User:Egon Willighagen Loz.ross Konrad Förstner Callmejonah User:Daniel Mietchen User:Solfatara User:Inablu Nils Casties stovarište Physikerwelt Lukas C. Bossert pita.nds Ziyad Christian Vater Fingerhuth Oliver Koepler User:Joshmoore Harvey37 Joachim Neubert Etienne Posthumus S.v.Mering Kristbaum Multinice Wolf Zinke

Notified participants of WikiProject NFDI

Please take a look at Python library NFDI and Jupyter Book NFDI. What else could be useful to add there?

SPARQL-queries about NFDI

RShigapov Cord Wiljes Florian Thiery User:Egon Willighagen Loz.ross Konrad Förstner Callmejonah User:Daniel Mietchen User:Solfatara User:Inablu Nils Casties stovarište Physikerwelt Lukas C. Bossert pita.nds Ziyad Christian Vater Fingerhuth Oliver Koepler User:Joshmoore Harvey37 Joachim Neubert Etienne Posthumus S.v.Mering Kristbaum Multinice Wolf Zinke

Notified participants of WikiProject NFDI

You might be interested in these SPARQL-queries about the NFDI. Wiljes (talk) 23:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Very good queries! Thanks a lot! RShigapov (talk) 08:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Issues with National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497)

National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) (NFDI the infrastructure) currently has several issues, because it does include statements that actually belong to German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) (NFDI the organisation). I propose removing the statements using director / manager (P1037), legal form (P1454), has subsidiary (P355), headquarters location (P159), interested in (P2650) Also: How can we connect it with German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481)? Wiljes (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I see, German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) field of work (P101) National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) Wiljes (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

And how can we connect the consortia to National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) and/or German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481)? I propose: [consortium] field of work (P101) National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) Wiljes (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Then every consortium would be a has subsidiary (P355) of German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) (NFDI the organization), right? This seems good. Should then every consortium also have field of work (P101) equal to National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) (NFDI the infrastructure) if German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) (NFDI the organization) has field of work (P101) equal to National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) (NFDI the infrastructure)? RShigapov (talk) 09:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Improving coordination

Hello together, some project participants are beginning to coordinate more closely. Not sure yet how this will pan out, but this thread would be a good opportunity for you to signal interest. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 11:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, has anything happened since this announcement? What kind of coordination have you thought about and about which topics? I, for example, would love to see the description of NFDI-related entities about NFDI services getting started, like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q108057909. That could probably use coordination? Callmejonah (talk) 14:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Callmejonah! Our online meeting will take place on 8th of April according to our internal email list. Please send an email to Matthias Fingerhuth from fdm.nrw, he will add you to the mailing list. RShigapov (talk) 09:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Property participant (P710)

Property participant (P710) has the description: "person, group of people or organization (object) that actively takes/took part in an event or process (subject)." Therefore, it should not be used for

• organisations that are particepants of consortia: Use affiliation (P1416) with qualifier object has role (P3831) participant (Q105906860) instead
• persons who are members of a consortium: use member of (P463) on the persons' pages instead.

Wiljes (talk) 14:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

adding member of (P463) on the persons' pages is a very good approach, but it strips the consortium of a list of persons as shown in GEPRIS. The property participant (P710) could still be used as a top-level statement in order to enter all the (co-)spokespersons and all representatives of the participants as listed in GEPRIS (see, for example, NFDI4Ing (Q98380344)). Stovariste (talk) 09:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

While I understand the wish to have the contact persons of the (co-)applicant institutions listed on the consortia pages, I believe that participant (P710) is not the correct way to do that, because participant (P710) states that is to be used for "taking part in an event or process". However, accepted NFDI consortium (Q98270496) is an organization, not an event or process. And it is not the inverse of member of (P463). In addition, it would not be feasible to add all members (aka "participants") of an organization on the organization's page, because this would be too long a list. Maybe we could use deputy chairperson (Q1127270)for the co-speakers? As chairperson (Q140686) is already being used for the speakers. Wiljes (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that "taking part in an event or process" might not be optimally suited for describing that you're advancing the cause of research data management, but again: "Participating Persons" is the technical term used in the research programme and is as such on display on GEPRIS. By the way, the list of persons is usually quite short. It is by no means a list of all members or employees, but a list of dedicated persons that have signed letters of commitment or that have participated in writing the grant application. Adding such a list to the consortia pages seems more than feasible, as one practical implication would then be to not have to manually click and search the cumbersome (aka not machine readable) pages of the funding organization. Stovariste (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

NFDI members

RShigapov Cord Wiljes Florian Thiery User:Egon Willighagen Loz.ross Konrad Förstner Callmejonah User:Daniel Mietchen User:Solfatara User:Inablu Nils Casties stovarište Physikerwelt Lukas C. Bossert pita.nds Ziyad Christian Vater Fingerhuth Oliver Koepler User:Joshmoore Harvey37 Joachim Neubert Etienne Posthumus S.v.Mering Kristbaum Multinice Wolf Zinke

Notified participants of WikiProject NFDI All members of the association are now attributed List of NFDI-Members Wiljes (talk) 18:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Participants

RShigapov Cord Wiljes Florian Thiery User:Egon Willighagen Loz.ross Konrad Förstner Callmejonah User:Daniel Mietchen User:Solfatara User:Inablu Nils Casties stovarište Physikerwelt Lukas C. Bossert pita.nds Ziyad Christian Vater Fingerhuth Oliver Koepler User:Joshmoore Harvey37 Joachim Neubert Etienne Posthumus S.v.Mering Kristbaum Multinice Wolf Zinke

Notified participants of WikiProject NFDI Which role should we use for participants in consortia? Currently, KonsortSWD (Q98380340) uses participant (Q56512863), while NFDI4Ing (Q98380344) uses participant (Q105906860) --Wiljes (talk) 09:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the definitions, they seems different. However, it seems to me that participant (Q105906860) should (also) subclass participant (Q56512863). The difference is whether there was a formal application process. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

participant (Q56512863) says: "object that takes part in an event or process". participant (Q105906860) says: "Person or institution that participates in an application by virtue of a letter of commitment." As I understand it, I can be participant (Q56512863) of an event and participant (Q105906860) of an organization. Therefore, participant (Q105906860) seems to be more appropriate to describe the role of "participant" organization (this is the term used in the funding call & applications) in an NFDI consortium. Also, participants of NFDI consortia have written Letter of Commitment, i.e. they also fulfill the formal application process.

Difference between German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) and National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497)

We should differentiate more clearly between German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) ("the association") and National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) ("the infrastructure"). German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481) is mostly correct, while National Research Data Infrastructure (Q61658497) currently has some issues because it is confused with the former one. --Wiljes (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I added different from (P1889) to both. --Wiljes (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

accepted NFDI consortium (Q98270496) instance of (P31) research project (Q1298668) ?

Currently, accepted NFDI consortium (Q98270496) instance of (P31) research project (Q1298668). This should be subclass of (P279) instead of instance of (P31). Also, we should discuss if research project (Q1298668) is correct. While an important part of NFDI's work could be called research, mainly in information science, the focus is not on doing research but on creating an infrastructure. However, as research definitely is part of NFDI's work, we could keep it and add a class "infrastructure project" (which does not yet exist). However, the goal of NFDI is to build a permanent infrastructure. In addition, the consortia are association bodies of German National Research Data Infrastructure (NFDI) e.V. (Q105757481), which is a legal entity, so they are "not just projects". Therefore, I would suggest removing the "project" and just use "organization". Wiljes (talk) 09:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Some years ago we had a Wikidata hackathon around projects and grants. You may want to look at modelling this properly, as a grant. For example, H2020 projects should be modelled as grants, not projects. I guess this applies too for awarded NFDI grant? --Egon Willighagen (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

research grant (Q54875403) instance of (P31) funding (Q6055890) and grant (Q230788) subclass of (P279) income (Q1527264). As I understand it, a grant finances a project. But it is not the project itself. However, we could (should) model both as two entities, the project and its grant? Wiljes (talk) 08:55, 2 December 2022 (UTC)