Property talk:P245

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Union List of Artist Names ID
identifier from the Getty Union List of Artist Names
Associated itemGetty Research Institute (Q11203476), Getty Research Institute (Q11203476)
Applicable "stated in" valueUnion List of Artist Names (Q2494649)
Has qualityVIAF component (Q26921380)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter|ULAN= in en:Template:Authority control - Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Domainperson (Q215627), organization (Q43229), group of humans (Q16334295), architectural structure (Q811979), dynasty (Q164950), geographic location (Q2221906) or imaginary character (Q115537581)
Allowed values500\d{6}
ExampleVincent van Gogh (Q5582)500115588 (RDF)
British Museum (Q6373)500125180 (RDF)
Group of Seven (Q1547741)500512423 (RDF)
Beastie Boys (Q214039)500472148 (RDF)
Formatter URLhttps://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=$1
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages with ULAN identifiers (Q8709083)
Related to country United States of America (Q30) (See 762 others)
See alsoGetty Thesaurus of Geographic Names ID (P1667), Art & Architecture Thesaurus ID (P1014), Cultural Objects Names Authority ID (P1669), artist-info curator ID (P5488), artist-info artist ID (P5489), artist-info location ID (P5490), artist-info exhibition ID (P5507), Getty Iconography Authority ID (P5986), Visual AIDS Artist+ Registry ID (P7926)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total193,231
Main statement115,963 out of 356,156 (33% complete)60% of uses
Qualifier5<0.1% of uses
Reference77,26340% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Format “500\d{6}|: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Master of Rhenen (Q18516706), Master of the St. Elizabeth Panels (Q18516719), Museum of Romanticism (Q6974501), Museo Romántico (Q24249987)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
Item “date of birth (P569): Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Bardo National Museum (Q1429003)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Item P569, SPARQL
Item “sex or gender (P21): Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Bardo National Museum (Q1429003)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Item P21, search, SPARQL
Item “place of birth (P19): Items with this property should also have “place of birth (P19)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Bardo National Museum (Q1429003)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Item P19, search, SPARQL
Item “occupation (P106): Items with this property should also have “occupation (P106)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Bardo National Museum (Q1429003)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Item P106, search, SPARQL
Item “given name (P735): Items with this property should also have “given name (P735)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Bardo National Museum (Q1429003)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Item P735, search, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Scope, SPARQL
Label required in languages: en: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: en (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P245#Label in 'en' language, search, SPARQL
Probably death
People with Union List of Artist Names ID (P245) born before the year 1900, but no date of death (P570) (Help)
Violations query: SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE { ?item p:P245 [] . ?item p:P569 ?birthclaim . MINUS { ?item p:P570 [] } ?birthclaim ps:P569 ?birth . FILTER(?birth < "+1900-00-15T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime) . } ORDER BY ?birth LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P245#Probably death
Missing Library of Congress authority ID
People with Union List of Artist Names ID (P245), but no link to Library of Congress authority ID (P244). This is based on a federated query which gets all ULAN entries with a LOC link from the Getty and compares it with the items here that have an ULAN link, but no LOC link. (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?ulanuri ?locuri WITH { SELECT ?item ?ulanuri ?locuri WHERE { ?item wdtn:P245 ?ulanuri . MINUS { ?item wdtn:P244 ?locuri } . } } AS %wikidata WITH { SELECT * { SERVICE <http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql.json> { SELECT ?ulanuri ?locuri WHERE { ?ulanuri rdf:type <http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology#PersonConcept> . ?ulanuri <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#exactMatch> ?locuri . FILTER(REGEX(STR(?locuri), '^http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n')) } } } } AS %ulan WHERE { INCLUDE %wikidata. INCLUDE %ulan. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P245#Missing Library of Congress authority ID
Male according to Wikidata, female according to ULAN
People with Union List of Artist Names ID (P245) where sex or gender (P21) is set to male (Q6581097), but the ULAN entry links to http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/30018955 (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?ulanuri WITH { # SELECT ?item ?ulanuri WHERE { ?item wdtn:P245 ?ulanuri . ?item wdt:P21 wd:Q6581097 . MINUS { ?item p:P21 ?genderstatement . ?genderstatement ps:P21 wd:Q6581072 } } } AS %wikidata WITH { SELECT * { SERVICE <http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql.json> { SELECT ?ulanuri WHERE { ?ulanuri rdf:type <http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology#PersonConcept> . ?ulanuri foaf:focus ?agent . ?agent <http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology#biographyPreferred> ?bio . ?bio <http://schema.org/gender> <http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/300189557> } } } }AS %ulan WHERE { INCLUDE %wikidata. INCLUDE %ulan. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P245#Male according to Wikidata, female according to ULAN
Female according to Wikidata, male according to ULAN
People with Union List of Artist Names ID (P245) where sex or gender (P21) is set to female (Q6581072), but the ULAN entry links to http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/300189559 (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?ulanuri WITH { # SELECT ?item ?ulanuri WHERE { ?item wdtn:P245 ?ulanuri . ?item wdt:P21 wd:Q6581072 . MINUS { ?item p:P21 ?genderstatement . ?genderstatement ps:P21 wd:Q6581097 } } } AS %wikidata WITH { SELECT * { SERVICE <http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql.json> { SELECT ?ulanuri WHERE { ?ulanuri rdf:type <http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology#PersonConcept> . ?ulanuri foaf:focus ?agent . ?agent <http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology#biographyPreferred> ?bio . ?bio <http://schema.org/gender> <http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/300189559> } } } }AS %ulan WHERE { INCLUDE %wikidata. INCLUDE %ulan. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P245#Female according to Wikidata, male according to ULAN



Error reports[edit]

Error reports
Contact:

ULAN@getty.edu

Languages: English (Q1860), perhaps more

or

Robin Johnson
Editor, Getty Vocabulary Program
Getty Research Institute | USA
rjohnson@getty.edu
Languages: English (Q1860), perhaps more

Ideally this information should be moved to the item for the reference and be transcluded from there.
Reports:
Error type Item(s) affected Description/Duplicates Exception Reported Resolved (also unpublished) Resolved and published Wikidata updated
duplicate Peter Schenk the Elder (Q78163) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500016998, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500008827 Yes Yes Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Eugen Wörle (Q1372978) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500217358, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500086985 Yes Yes Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Isaac Broid Zajman (Q1375395) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500239643, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500234412 Yes Yes Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Lluís Borrassà (Q1393857) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500028569, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500339839 Yes Yes Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Master of the Beighem Altarpiece (Q1518024) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500088840, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500009926 Yes Yes not yet --Marsupium (talk) 07:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


merged cluster Jean Baptiste de Saive I (Q985100) , Jan Baptiste le Saive II (Q1226250) cf. Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts#Many Jean Saives n/a Yes Yes Yes Yes


other New Schleissheim Palace (Q17121915) The name "Neuer Schloss" in the record 500303825 is not correct, it should be "Neues Schloss" with "s" since the German word "Schloss" is genderless.

(Discussion moved to Talk:Q17121915#Label/aliases. --Marsupium (talk) 21:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC))[reply]

n/a Yes Yes n/a


other Ferdinand Eusebius Miseroni (Q30104791) Other sources say https://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500080204 died in 1684, not 1694 n/a


duplicate Alfred Hitchcock (Q7374) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500063041, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500257599 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Felipe Pablo de San Leocadio (Q26720371) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500038698, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500160807 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Henri van der Haert (Q208833) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500112416, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500176974 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Master of 1518 (Q328571) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500015728, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500158776 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Alistair McAlpine, Baron McAlpine of West Green (Q336510) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500220197, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500086135 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Edgar Johan Kuusik (Q455013) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500244699, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500120540 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Amélie Beaury-Saurel (Q460344) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500034646, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500157456 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Giovanni Dalmata (Q668864) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500030402, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500318422 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Fabio Calvo (Q979294) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500315305, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500224980 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Master of the André Virgin (Q1121874) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500336275, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500012873 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC Yes Yes deprecated


duplicate Constantin Schroeter (Q1127925) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500170697, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500079058 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC not yet --Marsupium (talk) 15:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


duplicate Bilbao Fine Arts Museum (Q127064) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500304559, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500279772 Yes 2017-05-22T09:43 UTC not yet --Marsupium (talk) 15:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


other Felix Bernardelli (Q5442140) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500356554: "Died: Guadalajara": seems to be the Guadalajara in Mexico n/a


duplicate Bompō (Q2909799) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500123160, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500319014 Yes


duplicate Johann Jakob Müller (Q37338527) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500018530, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500168268 Yes


merged cluster Jacques-Louis-François Touzé (Q3157997) , Jean Touzé (Q21542874) It looks like http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500030147 is a merged cluster, at least Bénézit, RKDartists (Jean Touzé: https://rkd.nl/en/explore/artists/78032, Jacques Louis François Touzé: https://rkd.nl/en/explore/artists/78031) and Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268) list them as two, but they could possibly be wrong.


duplicate Johann Ulrich Büchel (Q125558) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500200578, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500251484 Yes


duplicate Salnave Philippe-Auguste (Q20562362) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500014666, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500323996 Yes


duplicate Gerard Lanscroon (Q37519187) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500029283, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500261426 Yes


other Henry Guillaume Schlesinger (Q21453279) , Karl Hübner (Q876636) Looks like http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500031895 and http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500030216 accidentally got merged.


duplicate Nicolas Berthon (Q45284159) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500168428, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500298446 Yes


duplicate Elias David Häusser (Q72681) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500073331, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500255581 Yes


other Johann Georg Schmidt (Q1693951) Probably http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500023271 shouldn't have the name "Cremserschmidt", cf. en:Johann Georg Schmidt (painter): "To distinguish him from his better-known namesake Martin Johann Schmidt from Krems (Kremser Schmidt) he was also known as the "Viennese Schmidt" (Wiener Schmidt)." n/a


duplicate Rotraut (Q109974) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500094511, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500190664 Yes


duplicate Giovanni Battista Lusieri (Q430474) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500014730, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500069223 Yes


duplicate Ramón Torres Martínez (Q2130519) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500276186, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500118449 Yes


duplicate Vittorio Meano (Q2637149) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500117987, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500246461 Yes


duplicate Alejandro Cicarelli (Q2640681) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500034567, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500356581 Yes


duplicate Agustín Cárdenas (Q2748887) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500192673, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500035542 Yes


duplicate Andrey Matveyev (Q2846825) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500162741, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500094816 Yes


duplicate Auguste-Louis de Rossel de Cercy (Q2871008) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500005968, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500332481 Yes


duplicate Pedro de Villegas Marmolejo (Q2889665) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500037269, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500068071 Yes


duplicate Ioannis Altamouras (Q3154048) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500123618, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500200943 Yes


duplicate Aurélia de Souza (Q3324919) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500057571, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500124162 Yes


duplicate Cipriano Pelli (Q3677449) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500161949, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500264934 Yes


duplicate Icilio Federico Joni (Q3791696) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500002604, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500037779 Yes


duplicate C. C. Wang (Q5006342) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500125694, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500338339 Yes


merged cluster Charles M. Nes Jr. (Q56256668) , Charles M. Nes III (Q56285407) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500060146, also affects VIAF Yes


other http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500055849, wrong names n/a


other place mix-ups (~514 cases) of places where probably all people connected through place of birth or death (or bio:event, schema:location) are meant to be connected to another place with the same or similar name:
  • Brooklyn, Delaware, NY (tgn:2068222/OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/158467618) → Brooklyn, New York City, NY, currently
    SELECT ?agent ?agentName {
      ?agent (gvp:biographyPreferred/(schema:birthPlace|schema:deathPlace)|bio:event/(schema:location|(schema:location/gvp:broaderExtended)))/^foaf:focus tgn:2068222 .
      OPTIONAL { ?agent ^foaf:focus/gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName . }
    }
    
    108 cases ; 108 cases
  • Nürburg (tgn:1040387) → Nuremberg, currently
    SELECT ?agent ?agentName {
      ?agent (gvp:biographyPreferred/(schema:birthPlace|schema:deathPlace)|bio:event/(schema:location|(schema:location/gvp:broaderExtended)))/^foaf:focus tgn:1040387 .
      OPTIONAL { ?agent ^foaf:focus/gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName . }
    }
    
    76 cases ; 76 cases:
  • Prague, Saunders, Nebraska (tgn:2062564)/Prague (Q2084234) → Prague, Czech Republic, currently
    SELECT ?agent ?agentName {
      ?agent (gvp:biographyPreferred/(schema:birthPlace|schema:deathPlace)|bio:event/(schema:location|(schema:location/gvp:broaderExtended)))/^foaf:focus tgn:2062564 .
      OPTIONAL { ?agent ^foaf:focus/gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName . }
    }
    
    123 cases ; 123 cases
  • Weimar (Ahnatal) (tgn:1041715)/Weimar (Q661498) → Weimar, Thuringia, currently
    SELECT ?agent ?agentName {
      ?agent (gvp:biographyPreferred/(schema:birthPlace|schema:deathPlace)|bio:event/(schema:location|(schema:location/gvp:broaderExtended)))/^foaf:focus tgn:1041715 .
      OPTIONAL { ?agent ^foaf:focus/gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName . }
    }
    
    115 cases ; 115 cases
  • Cambridge, Worcester, MA (tgn:2215680, I couldn't identify this Cambridge, not too far there is a Cambridge Street though) → ?, currently
    SELECT ?agent ?agentName {
      ?agent (gvp:biographyPreferred/(schema:birthPlace|schema:deathPlace)|bio:event/(schema:location|(schema:location/gvp:broaderExtended)))/^foaf:focus tgn:2215680 .
      OPTIONAL { ?agent ^foaf:focus/gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName . }
    }
    
    92 cases ; 92 cases
n/a


duplicate Tom Gibson (Q56512374) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500063061, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500036865, https://www.degruyter.com/view/AKL/_zx091163 has the combination of the longer name "Thomas Kent Hamilton Gibson" and the place of birth Edinburgh Yes


duplicate Eduardo Flórez Ibáñez (Q55492909) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500036227, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500037369 Yes


duplicate Friedrich von Gärtner (Q66149) http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500023792, http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500358178 Yes

Link[edit]

The new preferred URL format is http://vocab.getty.edu/ulan/$1, eg Vincent van Gogh (Q5582) -> http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500115588. This is in anticipation to Linked Open Data availability in Mar 2015.

Quote from http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/lod/index.html: Until the other vocabularies are available in LOD format, as requested by several in the community, we have implemented a redirect to the HTML version of the full record. Here are examples in each vocabulary:

So I've changed it. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not only person, also org[edit]

http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500125180 British Museum is legal link. Здесь собирается информация о людях, организациях, произведениях, связанных с искусством (см. w:Getty Research Institute). С уважением--Пробегающий (talk) 15:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there are some museums wich have a ULAN number too. Maybe one should delete the item contraint. --Pasleim (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
ULAN includes people, orgs, and undifferentiated people of various nationalities. But not works. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Today I added the Getty ULAN ID to the University of Washington Department of Urban Planning and Design, and was warned that there were 5 statement restraints that weren't met, all of which are for persons, which is not appropriate for an identifier for a corporate body. This appears to have been discussed before, but nothing has been done to fix this issue. There are numerous corporate bodies (e.g., architectural firms, universities, museums, and others) in ULAN. --Adam Schiff (talk) 07:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

@Emw: Could you please add this:

Duplicate records of people, as reported by ULAN identifier

to section https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge#Where_can_I_find_items_to_merge.3F (the direct link is https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Merge&action=edit&section=12)

since I don't have edit rights to that page. Thanks! --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 21:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not human exceptions[edit]

Based on this list I added exceptions for about 500 non-humans. If you want to update: Download a fresh list, do a regex replace "\r\nQ" -> "]], [[Q", fix the first and last entry and paste it here. I also imported gender so that report will drop from 3879 entries to 267. Multichill (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

item requires statement constraint[edit]

Sorry, but a lot of the requested statements are just seen throu very tight glasses. Date of birth, Place of birth, Given name, this all did not work for a lot of Items. For ever item with a notname/provisional name, for all thore, who are artists that have lived before the 15th century. There are some thousands of artists just form ancient Greece and Rome for whom we can't provide this informations. For some, because we did not know names, for others, because the name system in Greece as in Rome were different to today. But I get this now every time as a mistake. This is frustrating. Please remember, that there are more than "Summ of all paintings". -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 21:28, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. This is a widespread problem with constraints IMHO. Is there any central place to discuss it? --Marsupium (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion constraints[edit]

@Marsupium, Robert.Allen: can you please stop removing the suggestion constraints (suggestion constraint (Q62026391))? According to the report this property is used 78,900 times of which 77,296 are human. That's 98% so having human related suggestions makes sense. Suggestion constraints are not extremely well documented at the moment so you might have missed this new concept. Also the wording is in need of improvement for which I filed phab:T227383. Multichill (talk) 11:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These "Suggestion constraints" are pure nonsense. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Marcus Cyron, it is clearly not helpful to raise such warnings either in cases in which you could not state assert about birth/death place/date. --Horcrux (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The way around the suggestion constraints it to stick these names and organizations in the exception to constraint list under each suggestion constraint. If we were to do this with everything that doesn't fit these suggestion constraints, the exception to constraint list would become burdensome (i.e. nonsensical). It would make more sense to remove the suggestion constraints. This is the only external ID property that I'm aware of that has this many suggestion constraints for a mixed data set. One can argue percentages, it's still a mixed data set that has people that don't have adequate data to meet the constraints and organizations that will never meet the constraints. Pteropotamus (talk) 21:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First name constraint[edit]

@Multichill: It is false that all items having this identifier should have given name (P735): all items having Roman praenomen (P2358) (e.g Diocletian (Q43107)) should never have given name (P735). Objections to the removal of the constraint, or maybe is it possible to say that each item should have either given name (P735) or Roman praenomen (P2358)? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's why it's a suggestion constraint (Q62026391). This property is used on more than 82.000 humans of which 58 have Roman praenomen (P2358), that's about 0.07% of them. Multichill (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But a lot have not even one. There are thousands of ancient names who are not fitting the modern Names system. And thousands of artists withaut any name, only with a notname. The ame with date and place of birth and death. This did not work for thousands of them. This all is so frustrating. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 18:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]