Property talk:P2889

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FamilySearch person ID
ID of a person on FamilySearch

Applicable "stated in" value	FamilySearch Family Tree (Q94509406)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	According to this template: human (Q5) According to statements in the property: human (Q5) or character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	[A-Z0-9]{4}-[A-Z0-9]{3}
Example	Lomer Gouin (Q764557) → LV6K-8JT Anton Julius Winblad I (Q20667111) → L448-K6N Charlemagne (Q3044) → LZ62-TSV
Source	https://familysearch.org/
Formatter URL	https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/$1 https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/$1
See also	Rodovid ID (P1185), Geni.com profile ID (P2600), Familypedia person ID (P4193), WikiTree person ID (P2949), Find a Grave memorial ID (P535), genealogics.org person ID (P1819), Norwegian historical register of persons ID (P4574), JewAge person ID (P4116), The Peerage person ID (P4638)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P2889 Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 25,980 Main statement 22,570 out of 1,410,000,000 (0% complete) 86.9% of uses Qualifier 5 <0.1% of uses Reference 3,405 13.1% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Format “[A-Z0-9]{4}-[A-Z0-9]{3}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Format, SPARQL

Type “human (Q5), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Type Q5, Q21070598, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Item P21, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2889#Scope, SPARQL

Statistics

P2889 on values

Property	Values with P2889	Values without P2889	%without	ref
father (P22)	3764	3516	48.3	w wo
mother (P25)	1715	2996	63.6	w wo
child (P40)				create_w create_wo
spouse (P26) ⇔	5849	4891	45.5	w wo symmetric
sibling (P3373)				create_w create_wo
relative (P1038)				create_w create_wo

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject_Genealogy#Identifiers on values

Discussion

Landing page for people not registered

• https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/$1

The trouble with making that the default landing page is that there then seems to be no way to get to the detailed editing page, whether one is logged in or not.

I have therefore switched the preferred URL formatter back to https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/$1, which is now what queries pick up. Eventually the links from items will also update, though the change may take time to propagate through. Jheald (talk) 18:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I’m not sure what how the behavior changes over time but currently, https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/$1 seems to be publicly displayable, while https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/$1 redirects to a login page. (Example links: publicly available ancestors, login-required www) So… should I change the URL formatter to https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/$1? --Mormegil (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mormegil: Normally I'd support linking to a publicly-dispayable, no-login-required page for a property ID; but in this case  Weak oppose to such a change. The displayable page is quite shiny, but as editors here it's the detailed page we really want -- with the details and links to the sources used, and with easy navigation around the family tree; rather than a page telling us who might have been President of the United States at that time.

I'd be okay going for the latter no-login page if it was easy to get from it to the detailed page (eg automatically, by logging in). But FamilySearch don't seem to have set things up that way. It actually is possible to get from the no-login page to the detail page, but you do have to go quite a long way round the houses: if from the no-login page you click on the link for a relative, that pops up a login screen, and then once logged in takes you to the detail page for the relative, from which you can get to the detail page for the person you actually wanted.

If you had to pay for an FS login, then I'd say point the URL formatter to the no-login page. But as FS has always been free (at least in money), it doesn't seem so harmful for the URL formatter to point to the with-login detail page, which (at least in my experience) is so much more useful. But let's ping the genealogy project and see if more people have views. Jheald (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

ChristianKl (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Melderick (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC) Richard Arthur Norton Jklamo (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC) Sam Wilson Gap9551 (talk) 18:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Jrm03063 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Egbe Eugene (talk) Eugene233 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC) Dcflyer (talk) 07:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC) Gamaliel (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 11:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Theklan (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC) SM5POR (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Pmt (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) CarlJohanSveningsson (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Ayack (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC) EthanRobertLee (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) -- Darwin ^Ahoy! 18:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Germartin1 (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC) Skim (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC) El Dubs (talk) 21:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC) CAFLibrarian (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC) Jheald (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Genealogy -- Jheald (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

/* Where can I find? */ 

I cannot find the resulting data on the personal pages. MZ/X (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jzana: I'm not sure I understand. Can you give an example of a page you are interested in, what you are hoping to see, and what you are actually seeing? Jheald (talk) 14:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

MZ/X is my pen name. This name cam from a cartoon published in Hungary. MZ/X (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Deleting this property

Websites that can only be used after prior registration should not be a property. I would be in favour of deleting this property. --HarryNº2 (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Ancestor version of the landing page

I reverted the change to the "ancestor" version of the landing page that does not require login to view. Two years ago it was decided not to change it. Serious researchers want the page with all the references and documents and images, and currently switching from the new ancestor-page to the old version gives an error message. I would not be against the move if there was no error message. The new "ancestor" landing page doesn't give much more info than we already provide at Wikidata. The page that requires login is rich in detail.

ChristianKl (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Melderick (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC) Richard Arthur Norton Jklamo (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC) Sam Wilson Gap9551 (talk) 18:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Jrm03063 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Egbe Eugene (talk) Eugene233 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC) Dcflyer (talk) 07:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC) Gamaliel (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 11:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Theklan (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC) SM5POR (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Pmt (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) CarlJohanSveningsson (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Ayack (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC) EthanRobertLee (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) -- Darwin ^Ahoy! 18:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Germartin1 (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC) Skim (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC) El Dubs (talk) 21:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC) CAFLibrarian (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC) Jheald (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Genealogy RAN (talk) 20:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)