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Treccani Vocabulary ID
ID for lexemes

Associated item	Institute of the Italian Encyclopaedia (Q3803714)
Applicable "stated in" value	Treccani Vocabulary (Q4015908)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[a-z][a-z\d]*(-[a-z\d]+)*(_res-[0-9a-f]{8}(-[0-9a-f]{4}){3}-[0-9a-f]{12})?(_\((Neologismi|Sinonimi-e-Contrari)\))?
Example	judo (Q11420) → judo Dura lex sed lex (Q4278) → dura-lex-sed-lex December (Q126) → dicembre
Source	https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/elenco-opere/Vocabolario_on_line
Formatter URL	https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/$1
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P5844 (Q59141253)
Related to country	Italy (Q38) (See 396 others)
See also	Treccani's Biographical Dictionary of Italian People ID (P1986), Treccani's Enciclopedia Italiana ID (P4223), Garzanti Linguistica ID (P6266), Treccani's Dizionario di Storia ID (P6404), Treccani ID (P3365), Encyclopedia of Italian ID (P11586), Il Nuovo De Mauro ID (P12420)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 12,005 Main statement 11,819 out of 127,085 (9% complete) 98.5% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 183 1.5% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#Single value, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase lexeme (Q51885771), Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#Scope, SPARQL

Lexeme language: Italian (Q652): this property should only be applied to lexemes with these languages (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#language

Label required in languages: it: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: it (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#Label in 'it' language, search, SPARQL

Format “[a-z][a-z\d]*(-[a-z\d]+)*(_res-[0-9a-f]{8}(-[0-9a-f]{4}){3}-[0-9a-f]{12})?(_\((Neologismi|Sinonimi-e-Contrari)\))?”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5844#Format, SPARQL

distinct-values constraint (Q21502410)

@Epìdosis: Are you sure about property constraint (P2302)distinct-values constraint (Q21502410)? In Italian we have plenty of homographical terms with different meanings (here's a trivial example), therefore multiple items/lexemes could share a common identifier (which, by consequence, is not a real identifier).

P.S. I'm mentioning you because, for some reason, the constraint statements link to your property proposal as reference :-) Horcrux (talk) 15:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You are right, it should be removed, I think. --Epìdosis 16:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

lexeme requires language constraint (Q55819106)

@Dhx1: I have a problem concerning the lexeme requires language constraint (Q55819106) that you added. How to handle cases like Lexeme:L728500? Horcrux (talk) 15:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux What is the Treccani Vocabulary ID (P5844) value you'd use for à la guerre comme à la guerre (L728500)? If Treccani Vocabulary ID (P5844) includes French lexemes then I suppose it's just a case of adding another language to the lexeme requires language constraint (Q55819106) for this property. Dhx1 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Dhx1: This was the statement that I added, but it has been removed by Mahir256. The point is that Treccani Vocabulary (Q4015908) is an Italian vocabulary but it may also contain (arbitrary, not just French) foreign words or expressions (as proverbs), if such words or expressions are also used in Italian. Should I create a new lexeme with language=Italian (Q652), since the proverb is used in Italian too?

P.S. Other examples: foodtelling (English), verruga (Spanish), kaputt (German). --Horcrux (talk) 09:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux I think the accepted approach for loanword (Q103808) is to create a new lexeme in each language. An example being Internet (L296214) (German) and Internet (L34630) (French) and the many other languages which have loaned Internet (L34626) (English origin). I'd assume it's the same for phrases that are loaned to different languages too, so perhaps creation of a new lexeme in the Italian language would be the best approach? Dhx1 (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux: If you must know, I only removed the ID because it was already present on an item you created to link to the sense. If that item did not exist, I would have kept the ID on the lexeme. Mahir256 (talk) 15:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)