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pertainym of
links an adjective to a noun (e.g. lunar → moon), or an adverb to an adjective (e.g. slowly → slow); the sense pertains/relates to the target sense

Represents	pertainym (Q86527217)
Data type	Sense
Example	no label (L689688-S1) → no label (L689693-S1) no label (L7279-S1) → no label (L1388-S1) no label (L1233081-S1) → no label (L1233079-S1)
See also	periphrastic definition (P7219), demonym (P1549), demonym of (P6271), hyperonym (P6593), antonym (P5974), synonym (P5973)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P8471 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 925 Main statement 922 99.7% of uses Qualifier 3 0.3% of uses
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase sense (Q54285715): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8471#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8471#Scope, SPARQL

What is a pertainym? Adjective or noun?

@ArthurPSmith, VIGNERON, Liamjamesperritt, Moebeus:

As the suggestor for the property, I did not clearify what a pertainym was, and I suppose the meaning of the concept has an effect on how we describe and label the property. I see two different meanings:

1. A pertainym is an adjective that relates to a noun, "Danish" is the pertainym, while the linked concept is the noun "Denmark". In this case the label could "is a pertainym to". Note that the situation could also be adverb to adjective (slowly/slow).
2. A pertainym is a noun that related to an adjective. So "Danmark" would be the pertainym and the label could be "has the pertainym".

When I look at the literature and examine the writings of the wordnet people and other sources, I am confused. Here is a selection:

1. https://globalwordnet.github.io/gwadoc/#pertainym seems to meaning #2: Citation from "Examples": 'lunar has pertainym moon naval has pertainym navy; slowly has pertainym slow English has pertainym England; English has pertainym English "language"'
2. On Hidden Semantic Relations between Nouns in WordNet [1] about #1
3. "Q-WordNet: Extracting Polarity from WordNet Senses" [2] "ad-verbs are pertainyms of adjectives" seems to be #1
4. Wikidata defined by Moebeus [3] "word, usually an adjective, which can be defined as "of or pertaining to" another word" is #1.
5. "Identifying Relationships Between Entities in Text forComplex Interactive Question Answering Task" [4] "e.g. adjective “English” and itspertainym “England”" seems to be #2.

As far as I understand, the pertainym relationship is directional, not symmetric like "antonym". — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Fnielsen: I had never heard of "pertainym" before this came about and had to look it up in Wiktionary. That's where the definition I entered comes from, word for word: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pertainym In other words, I'm not an authority on this by any means. Moebeus (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Fnielsen: I had assumed #1 - the value would be an adjective or adverb. Definitely not intended to be bi-directional, but if there's a clear meaning that's different from how we're using it, maybe we should change the label - "adjective or adverb sense of or pertaining to this sense" ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

usefull for translations?

@Fnielsen, ArthurPSmith, VIGNERON, Liamjamesperritt:

The most recent version of Wikidata for Firefox uses this property to deduce translations for a given word based on the following reasoning:

truely (L201745) S1	→ pertainym of →	truth (L6120) S1	→ item for this sense ↘	truth (Q7949)
wahr (L630690) S1	→ pertainym of →	Wahrheit (L3383) S1	→ item for this sense →
本当に/ほんとうに (L671856) S1	→ pertainym of →	本当/ほんとう (L680773) S1	→ item for this sense ↗

words that are a pertainym of a word that has an item for this sense in common are considered as synonymous:

now my question is: is this actually a good line of reasoning? – Shisma (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Shisma: great! There may be some edge case (I can't think of one right now) but yes, I think it's mostly logic. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)