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Autodescription — Villapedre (Q3329949)

description: parish (parroquia) in Navia, Asturias, Spain
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Moving the village to its own object

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@Olea: I hope you can help me with how to do this. From this object sv and ceb should get there own object as a village. I think the INE municipality code (P772) for the village is 33 Asturias 041 Navia 081700 VILLAPEDRE and population 441 2020 and 427 2021 in INE. I think it is in administrative area Villapedre (Q3329949) but how do I see that in INE? It I understand correctly there are two more 080100 BAO Y BARAYO and 080500 TOX. I would use human settlement (Q486972) for instance of (P31) but do you have a suggestion for something that works better for this size of village in Spain? Maundwiki (talk) 21:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How the codes works is explained at https://www.ine.es/nomen2/Ayuda.do:
Y la unidad poblacional se identifica de la siguiente forma:
El Municipio, identificado por los códigos de EC=00, ES=00 y NUC=00.
La Entidad colectiva, si existe se identifica por los códigos EC ≠ 00, ES = 00 y NUC = 00
La Entidad singular (existe al menos una para cada municipio), se identifica por los códigos ES ≠ 00 y NUC = 00
El Núcleo o Diseminado (siempre pertenecen a una entidad singular), los núcleos se identifican por el código NUC ≠ 00 y los diseminados por el código NUC : = 99
Considering the code: 33041080000:
  • province 33, Asturias
  • municipality 041, Navia
  • colective entity (08) + singular entity (00): 0800
So I guess the correct INE number for the Villapedre administrative area (the parish?) woild be 330410800, but I don't understand why INE uses
33041080000. If I'm correct its P31 would be parish of Asturias (Q55102916). In most other Spain provinces P31 would be pedanía (Q15725677).
Checking at Geographic Nomenclature of Municipalities and Population Entities (Q95877977) dataset:
BD_Municipios-Entidades]$ grep 3304108 ENTIDADES.csv
33041080000;Villapedre;33;Asturias;Entidad colectiva;570;33041;0011-4;-6,65206068;43,54608079;Mapa;68;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041080100;Bao y Barayo;33;Asturias;Entidad singular;12;33041;0011-4;-6,63469634;43,53999617;Mapa;104;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041080199;Bao y Barayo;33;Asturias;Diseminado;12;33041;0011-4;-6,63469634;43,53999617;Mapa;104;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041080500;Tox;33;Asturias;Entidad singular;98;33041;0011-4;-6,63501828;43,55518357;Mapa;70;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041080501;Tox;33;Asturias;Otras entidades;98;33041;0011-4;-6,63501828;43,55518357;Mapa;70;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041081700;Villapedre;33;Asturias;Entidad singular;460;33041;0011-4;-6,65206068;43,54608079;Mapa;68;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
33041081701;Villapedre;33;Asturias;Otras entidades;460;33041;0011-4;-6,65206068;43,54608079;Mapa;68;MDT5;FALSO;FALSO
Bayo an Tox would be singular entities of the Villapedre parish. Not really sure how to instance these ones :-|
To be honest I'm still not really familiar with INE codes :-)
Ping @YoaR:. —Ismael Olea (talk) 12:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Olea, Maundwiki: hi all!

  1. About Viḷḷapedre, the parish has the following INE code: 33041080000. The current entity (Villapedre (Q3329949)) it's correct and its P31 is ok and must not be changed.
  2. The place, also named Viḷḷapedre, (Viḷḷapedre (Q113608937)) has the INE code 33041081700 and its most specific P31 is lugar (Q13526752).
  3. Each entity inside a parish may have a different P31. Saying from memory: lugar (Q13526752), hamlet (Q5084), neighborhood (Q123705), city (Q515), village (Q532), town (Q3957) or casería (Q5756064). human settlement (Q486972) and collective population entity of Spain (Q8776398) are very generic P31. The specific one for each village can be checked in the nomenclador published yearly by the public company Q6130762. For Navia (Q668795) it's located at https://www.sadei.es/tematico/aplicaciones/Nomen/Datos/A2021M41.xlsx (referer URL is https://www.sadei.es/habitantes/enlaces-directos/nomenclator_23_1_ap.html)
  4. Tox is also a lugar (Q13526752) and El Vau y Barayu (Bao y Barayo) is casería (Q5756064).
  5. pedanía (Q15725677) is a different type that is not used in Asturies.
  6. Also, don't mess parish of Asturias (Q55102916) with rural parish of Asturias (Q2070206), they have similar names but they represent different administrative entities!

Feel free to ask me any doubt! 🙂 YoaR (talk) 15:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a formal mapping between Geographic Nomenclature of Municipalities and Population Entities and the published by Q6130762? —Ismael Olea (talk) 12:39, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@YoaR, Olea: I moved wikipedia ceb and sv from Villapedre (Q3329949) to Viḷḷapedre (Q113608937), removed geonames "3105161 Villapedre PPLL" in Villapedre (Q3329949) (since it is ADM4 and geonames has no records för ADM4 in Asturias) and added geonames and INE in Viḷḷapedre (Q113608937). Also added coordinates. I will only do this when there are ceb and sv wikipedi articles för villages based on geonames PPL or PPLL with interwiki to a parish of Asturias (Q55102916) object. I think geonames should be removed from all wikidata objects in this list but I will only deal with the objects that affect ceb and sv wikipedia articles. My challenge will be to match existing objects if they do not have INE or coordinates. Maundwiki (talk) 14:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Olea: As far as I know, there's no mapping. YoaR (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoar: ¡mátame, camión! —Ismael Olea (talk) 17:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]