Talk:Q57327797

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ORCID profile after death

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A concern has been raised that the subject (Thomas Ten Have) is claimed to have died in 2011, and yet has an ORCID iD (which cannot have existed before late 2012) with a profile that has been edited and updated to list authored articles in 2018. I had the same concern myself before I added the death date and merged an Mathematics Genealogy Project item Thomas Ten Have (Q102237065) – to explain, here are the checks I did before merging the MGP item with this one and adding death details:

  • There were two items, this one apparently imported from ORCID and the other from the Mathematics Genealogy Project.
  • The death date I added for the merged item was from this obituary which lists Thomas Ralph "Tom" Ten Have as having died in Pennsylvania on May 1, 2011.
  • The obituary gives several details of Thomas Ten Have’s education and academic career which match both the ORCID and MGP listings: "He received his BS, MPH and PhD from The University of Michigan" which are the same qualifications and alma mater listed on ORCID. "Tom was professor of biostatistics at the School of Medicine of The University of Pennsylvania", which matches the MGP doctoral supervision.
  • Ten Have's faculty page at UPenn is listed as "In Memoriam" – again the qualifications on this page ("A.A. Grand Rapids Junior College, 1978. B.A. (Statistics) University Of Michigan, 1981. M.P.H. (Biostatistics) University Of Michigan, 1982. Ph.D. (Biostatistics) University Of Michigan, 1991.") match those in the ORCID profile and the obituary exactly, right down to the completion dates. If these are indeed two separate identities, they were two people with the same (obscure) name, studying the same degrees, at the same university (U-M), at the same time, who then both went to work at the same university (UPenn).
  • The University of Pennsylvania Almanac confirms that "Dr. Thomas Ten Have, professor of biostatistics in the Center for Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics in the School of Medicine, died on May 1 at the age of 53."
  • Regarding the ORCID ID (which I understand weren’t issued until late 2012) – I checked about 20 of the papers listed in the ORCID profile, and while many were added to the ORCID profile in 2018, the papers themselves were mostly published much earlier. There were some like this one (PDF) which was published in March 2014, and which specifically lists Thomas Ten Have as "(deceased)" in the list of authors, as does coverage of this article. This paper (Integrated Telehealth Care for Chronic Illness and Depression in Geriatric Home Care Patients: The Integrated Telehealth Education and Activation of Mood (I-TEAM) Study) was added to the ORCID profile in August 2018, four years after its publication (when it confirmed he had died before 2014) and seven years after his death, so at least one paper which stated Thomas Ten Have was deceased at the time of publication was added to his ORCID profile several years later.
  • I suspect what is happening here is that someone else – a family member or colleague maybe – has created an ORCID account and ID for Thomas Ten Have and is uploading his publications as some sort of tribute.

--Canley (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]