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bot descriptions[edit]

Nice work on that bot infrastructure. It occurred to me, adding descriptions should be easy, supplied by the user as a string per category, like "River in Mexico". (At least where a description does not already exist.) Might you support that? Tx, Espeso (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sure, adding a description should be easy, did you want it so that when they specify a property to add, also add a description, or it's own standalone setup? Also, it would be nice if we could translate these descriptions before hand, and then mass-add them. I'm not sure how to go about that though. Legoktm (talk) 09:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, I think your bot is very positive development because it scales user-driven tasks enough for the user to put the exploratory effort into. I mean, say I was browsing en:wp and found lots of articles on related topics with one or two sitelinks that weren't on WD yet. Well, that's nice, but I'm not going to transfer them all because I know a bot should be doing it. So you've solved that division of labor problem which encourages users to start getting practical. (I am wondering already how much this bot model can be extended as the project grows because it's the smartest way for item development to occur... Many human editors asking bots to do stuff based on logical patterns. Wikis have never really needed "driveable" bots until Wikidata, so that's cool.) ///
I think that any time an item is created or modified (well actually, even if no other changes would be made, other than the description) that the description should be updated if blank--so standalone, right. (Still based on the common setup you already have, because the minimal amount of information the user has to give is a category, I think?) But I totally forgot about the internationalization. So the user will need to specify the language of the description string given. Input: language code, description string; output: description string for that language is written to the item regardless of what other changes are/n't made, if existing description is blank. Anything else you could do with automated translation would obviously be a bonus, but a significant extra effort. I vaguely recall that certain gadgets have been set up to translate simple phrases like "thing in/from place" based on a lookup table... that information could be located and re-used, and I'm sure people would be willing to help with those simple translations as well. If you're planning to have this bot running long-term, the "multi-language description" feature addition would have a big impact on non-English item descriptions, many of which would otherwise take a long time to be changed. Thanks for your response! Espeso (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The more I think about this, I wonder whether this should be a feature built in the software, something like templates. If we have a bot do it, the bot will have to edit the page every time a new translation is added, but if we have a "template" like system, that gets done automatically. You would still need a bot to add the "template" to each item, however it would be much less work.
I also realize that it is unlikely such a feature will get developed anytime soon, so I think it is worth my time to develop a bot for this. Here is what I propose:
  • These template-descriptions are added to a Wikidata:Descriptions/mexican-river in some translatable way (subpages? using Translate extension?, Langswitch?)
  • There is a User:Legobot/descriptions.js page where a sysop can say "Add 'mexican-river' to en:Category:Mexican rivers", and the bot will use all existing translations and update all those pages, and store them in a database.
  • Then when a new translation is added, a sysop can say "Update 'mexican-river'", and the bot will check all the pages it previously edited for that description, and add the new translations.
How would a system like that sound? I still believe this should be handled by the software, but I think this is something that needs to be done sooner rather than later. Legoktm (talk) 11:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PS, I filed bugzilla:45093 for adding something to the software. Legoktm (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It makes sense, although some might argue that if descriptions are that "computationally determined" then they are doing nothing different from statements. However, for all the repetitive stub-like articles where a simple description is adequate, multiplied by the many languages needing a description and their chance of getting one manually, it makes sense. Going one step further, you could tie in the translation aspect to item descriptions themselves, since multi-language support resides natively there. For example, the translation template assigned to "River in X" could retrieve the description of <Item:River (Q100)> by relevant language, some custom translation elements for prepositions ("of in from"), and the description of <Item:CountryX (Q101)> by relevant language. This makes certain assumptions about how easy such translations are among the world's languages, which I can't comment on! Word order and use of prepositions isn't always so simple (plus gender, inflection issues), but I expect most languages are "algorithmic" at the level of simplicity needed here. Question: will you still support a one-language hard-coded description string for now? :) Espeso (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I noticed in recent changes that ThieolBot is adding descriptions [1], I presume computationally possibly based on categories. I haven't looked in any more detail. /// Just French. And ValterVBot is adding Italian. So they look like they only treat one language, based on category membership on a wikipedia. Espeso (talk) 00:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my, you want the bot to do the translation now? :P I think there are enough little quirks in translation that trying to have the bot figure it out is a bad idea.
At this point I think we should set up the framework of a translation description, ie WD:Translatable descriptions, create your message, so WD:Translatable descriptions/river-in-mexico, set up translate extension on it (I have requested that right here, but you should ask another admin since I still don't understand it fully), and by Thursday or Friday this week, I should have the bot code ready. I think if we wait a few days to get a good bot going rather than a rushed one, it will be more advantageous in the long run :) Legoktm (talk) 10:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No I wasn't asking for the bot to do the translation. I would be happy with the original idea, simply to include a description string in one language with the bot requests put on the request page. Though I haven't used that page yet and there are a few million requests ahead of me. ;) Espeso (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa there[edit]

Legobot recently RFD'd two items (Q4961467 and Q4961481) that had only existed for 3 minutes. Is there any way to make it so it allows, say, a 15-minute buffer before requesting? People stumble on an IWC or a bug, or get distracted, or any number of things. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I hate it when bots are too efficient ;). Umm probably, but it'll be low priority to get done right now. I'll try and do that by the end of the week. Legoktm (talk) 06:17, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bot adding links that where intentionally removed[edit]

Hey there,

can you please teach your bot to not add links that where removed on wikidata. like [2]. Thank you! --Teilzeittroll (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well they weren't removed, they just weren't there. Looks like a weird interwiki conflict that has now been fixed by Wikidata. My bot shouldn't try to add them again. Legoktm (talk) 04:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - not really.
I removed two links on the 14th of Jannuary
Legobot aded the links again on the 8th of March
I removed them again on the same day
Now your bot is back once again.
I hoped, wikidata would stop such windmill fights...
Greetings --Teilzeittroll (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Argh. I'm not really sure how to fix this. I have a rather hackish idea which might work. I'll try and have it done in a few hours. I'm really really sorry about all of this. Thanks for your diligence :) Legoktm (talk)
Go on and hack ;-) Let me know, when its done - than we can try to remove the links again - and then: wait and see... --Teilzeittroll (talk) 09:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Legobot wikidata: please respect {{noexternallanglinks}} keyword[edit]

Hi, Can you please tell your bot not to remove interwikilinks on pages that contain the {{noexternallanglinks}} keyword. Otherwise the pages will be left with no interwikis at all, like: http://nds-nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veurblad&diff=255290&oldid=255040 For now, I added the template to prevent it from happening again, but I think the bot should respect the keyword. Thanks Droadnaegel (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, it seems I had old versions of the code running in certain places. Any page with the raw string "noexternallanglinks" will be ignored. Legoktm (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, your bot saves a lot of boring work, and our feedback will improve the bot, that is how real cooperation should work. And couple of child diseases can be expected in the initial phase of deployment, so thanks for updating.
Another question, I saw the bot created conflict pages like: nds-nl:Gebruker:Legobot/Wikidata/enwiki. But the "check" links are incorrect, giving a python error. The problem seems to be that the link is using nds_nl as language, where nds-nl (a minus/dash sign, not an underscore) is used in the family files. If I change the URL manually, it does work, but that gets a bit annoying. So if it is possible, please change those links. Droadnaegel (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I fixed that a long time ago, just never posted here. Legoktm (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bulk deletion requests[edit]

Hi! Could you alter the text that Legobot posts when adding bulk deletion requests, to add something like "Admins, please check page histories before you delete the items, since sitelinks may have been removed by accident by inexperienced users.". Many admins probably know this, but then again, some may not, so adding a little notice like that can't hurt. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Support --Ricordisamoa 17:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
People should also be checking "what links here". An item I created was recently deleted because it had no site links, but it was an entry made to connect to statements. Espeso (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The better thing would to put this announcement in MediaWiki:Confirmdeletetext, the message wich every admin look when he clicks on the "Delete" button of a page. Automatik (talk) 01:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try and implement this in a few hours, shouldn't be that hard. Espeso: The bot should check for 0 incoming links, maybe in the amount of time you created it and it reported it it hadn't been added to anything yet? If not please let me know and I can investigate. Legoktm (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple threads for bot ?[edit]

Hi Legoktm,

Excellent work with User:Legobot!

As some of the requests on User talk:Legobot/properties.js/requests seem to result in a large number of edits, I was wondering if you would consider running it in several instances in parallel. Otherwise we might never get through all of them. --  Docu  at 06:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Right now I'm trying to overhaul the system to add template parameter support, strings, etc. I also want a way for bots to work together since I found out after running a 200k job that 90% were already done, meaning a big waste of time, and that it was done without sources being added. I do have midterms this week, so I'll try and present something by the weekend :) Legoktm (talk) 06:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about it then. Good luck for the midterms.
For larger jobs (e.g. >25000 items), maybe it's worth doing a query first and exclude items that already include the items. --  Docu  at 20:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Q8154962 listed on RfD by bot[edit]

Hi Legoktm,

Q8154962 matches "listed cultural properties" on Wikidata:Notability#Default notability criteria.

How can we do to avoid getting it listed there? --  Docu  at 11:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can I just check for p31 (instance of) --> cultural property? Legoktm (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I raised the question at Wikidata:Project_chat#Monuments_database. --  Docu  at 19:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and implemented it, since no harm will come if its checking and it should keep some items off of the list. Legoktm (talk) 10:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for Legobot[edit]

Hello,

I gave your bot some work on User talk:Legobot/properties.js/requests and I was wondering how much time you need to do that. It would be great if you could mark completed requests as done on the page. Right now I have no idea how much other things the bot has to do before completing new resquests I add. Ljubinka (discussion) 18:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you can see what the bot is currently working on at User:Legobot/properties.js/Nice looking. The bot archives all requests to User:Legobot/properties.js/Archive. Usually I try and approve requests within 24h, but I've been busy lately and the other admin who usually helps out has been busy too. If you do have any suggestions, please do let me know how I can make the process easier. :) I'm working on an overhaul of the entire system soon, so it should be more streamlined after that... Legoktm (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, as an admin, I was wondering if I could help with this. Can I just add properties to User:Legobot/properties.js ? --Zolo (talk) 07:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please! I wrote up some instructions at User:Legobot/properties.js/Documentation#admin. Legoktm (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your answer. Actually I do have a request for you : could you make the gadget multilingual ? To start with, I can provide the text in French. Ljubinka (discussion) 12:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! If you look at User:Reza1615/properties.js, just copy the values from "en" (or whatever language you know), translate them, and I'll add them to the gadget. Legoktm (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So here is a French version :

'PropertyTool-box-title': 'Array Properties',
'PropertyTool-box-warning': 'Ce formulaire permet de déposer une requête à un bot, qui sera effectuée après vérification.',
'PropertyTool-box-lang': 'Code de langue de la Wikipédia : ',
'PropertyTool-box-source': 'Source : le bot modifie les éléments correspondant aux articles de Wikipédia suivants :',
'PropertyTool-box-category': 'Articles se trouvant dans cette catégorie : ',
'PropertyTool-box-template': 'Articles utilisant ce modèle : ',
'PropertyTool-box-pn': 'Propriété à ajouter : ',
'PropertyTool-box-item': 'Élément à ajouter comme valeur de la propriété ',
'PropertyTool-box-ignoreprefix': 'Ignorer les articles commençant par : ',
'PropertyTool-box-ignore': 'Ignorer les articles suivants : ',
'PropertyTool-box-create': 'Créer : tapez « yes » si le bot doit créer les éléments qui n'existent pas encore',
'PropertyTool-box-recursion': 'Récursion : indiquez le nombre de sous-catégories à inclure',
'PropertyTool-success':'La requête a été déposée.',
'PropertyTool-Error':'Erreur inconnue',
'PropertyTool-warning-sitebox':'Erreur : code de langue de la Wikipédia manquant',
'PropertyTool-warning-sourcebox':'Erreur :  catégorie ou modèle manquants',
'PropertyTool-warning-pnbox':'Erreur : propriété à ajouter manquante',
'PropertyTool-warning-itembox':'Erreur : élément à ajouter manquant',
'PropertyTool-send': 'Valider',
'PropertyTool-reset': 'Effacer'

I did not change the title since I don't really understand what it means. Ljubinka (discussion) 12:33, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Exempt item(s)[edit]

Hi Legoktm, though Q8154962 is notable but your bot is repeatedly marking it for deletion. Is there is any way to preclude bot from marking such items?--Bill william compton (talk) 08:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This should be fixed with the solution in #Q8154962 listed on RfD by bot. Legoktm (talk) 10:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"imported from"[edit]

Hello, I have made a request to add "collection: Department of Paintings of the Louvre" to all pages in en:Category:Paintings of the Louvre. Now the source reads "imported from Wikipedia". Actually, nothing in Wikipedia says such a thing (there are even paintings in the Louvre that are in different departments, it just happens that none of them is in the category). So maybe we should use a more general property name, like "inferred from Wikipedia". --Zolo (talk) 09:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I do think that "inferred from" is more accurate for my bot. I'm not sure if its *that* big of a deal to require a separate property though. It might be worth reading the initial discussion that led to the creation, (link) too. Legoktm (talk) 09:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, actually the accurate property would be "guessed from" ;). Anyway, we should probably get rid of that as soon as we can replace it with reasonably good external sources. --Zolo (talk) 10:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

bulk deletion tagging[edit]

Come on! That is too fast and totally invalid (as the item already included valid stuff)

Meh, I should slowly add my signature here. -.-

PS: Would you run your bot at lowp again? XD lo:ຜູ້ໃຊ້:Legobot/Wikidata/General is nearly cleared and other sub pages are "already" cleared. Mabdul (talk) 07:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh by the way: please check for the namespace when logging pages and "comment" categories out as I did. Thanks. Mabdul (talk) 07:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heheh, I will fix that speed thing eventually. There was a bug in my bot which I will fix this weekend, and it'll be good to go then. Legoktm (talk) 09:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mess with the live system! [3]

{'ids': 'q5330456', 'props': 'sitelinks'}  --> --> 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./checker.py", line 152, in <module>
    main()
  File "./checker.py", line 126, in main
    if l_p.isRedirectPage():
  File "/home/legoktm/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Pywikipediabot-2.0alpha-py2.7.egg/pywikibot/page.py", line 421, in isRedirectPage
    return self.site.page_isredirect(self)
  File "/home/legoktm/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Pywikipediabot-2.0alpha-py2.7.egg/pywikibot/site.py", line 1209, in page_isredirect
    return page._isredir
AttributeError: 'Page' object has no attribute '_isredir'

Mabdul (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: de:Wikipedia:Kurier#Bot or not to Bot: At the German "Signpost" is searching for bot operators transferring iw links to wikidata and crying that the iw-quality dropped "dramatically" at dewp. Mabdul (talk) 14:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Traceback: I have no clue, I really need to re-write that thing eventually.
Will take a look at whats up on dewiki, thanks for the tip. Legobot should be running on lowp by Tuesday, seems there's an issue on labs that's out of my control. Legoktm (talk) 13:54, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And another bug: https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikidata/checker.py?id=Q23492&site=lo . Mabdul (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

transclusion count[edit]

Ooops sorry, I forgot to check that, I will be more cautious next time. --Zolo (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :) Legoktm (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Error on Q75596?[edit]

The bot as stated that the Laurentian Mountains (Q75596) are an individual mountain, which they are not. They are a mountain range, as already listed on the item, by me. This is an error, surely? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's due to the fact that the French language version uses the equivalent of Infobox Mountain for the article. --  Docu  at 20:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #51[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • The first 11 Wikipedias can now include data from Wikidata in their articles (If you want to see it in action see the infobox at it:Torino)
    • Worked on automatic summaries for statements
    • Worked on making properties accessible from the client using their label so you can use {{#property:executive director}} instead of {{#property:p169}} for example
    • Made qualifiers ready for the next deployment (Please test. See details further down.)
    • Selenium tests for qualifiers
    • Fixed some issues related to QUnit testing
    • Worked on improved handling and code design of multiple snak lists in the UI (qualifiers, references)
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • Newline 2013
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • We’re currently carefully monitoring performance after the deployment of phase 2 on the first 11 Wikipedias. There seem to be a few small issues. As soon as they are resolved we'll deploy on English Wikipedia. All other Wikipedias are planned to follow very soon after that.
    • Bye and a big thank you to Anja, Silke, Jens and John who are leaving the development team at the end of the month and will work on other cool things. You’ll be missed!
    • Ever had any doubt about the possibilities of Wikidata? Talk to Wiri!
    • We worked on reducing the time it takes for Wikidata edits to show up in the Wikipedias and made some progress. Daniel posted an analysis
    • We started running a script on the database in order to make search on Wikidata case-insensitive. This should be finished in a few days and then search should be more useful.
    • In addition to the above we have rolled out a new search box that suggests items. This should also make finding things on Wikidata a lot easier for you.
    • We’re making some progress with Internet Explorer 8 support but there are a lot of issues with it (some outside our control). It’s unclear at the moment how much we can improve it still without spending an unjustified amount of time on it. You can follow the progress at bugzilla:44228
    • Edits are now auto-confirmed for users with more than 50 edits and account age 4 days: bugzilla:46461
    • Do you need old-style interwiki links for a sister project for example? This is for you
    • The Wikimedia Foundation applied as a mentoring organisation for Google Summer of Code again. We have proposed some Wikidata projects for students to take up if the Foundation is accepted again. At least 2 other organisations that applied also propose Wikidata ideas. More details on that once we know which organisations are accepted.
    • Denny hacked together a tree of life based on data from Wikidata
    • Wikidata was added to wikipulse
    • A template to retrieve data from Wikidata if no local value is set
  • Did you know?
  • Open Tasks for You
    • See note at the end of this weekly summary
    • Help test qualifiers (m:Wikidata/Notes/Data model primer#Qualifiers - see also example statements there) on the test wiki so we can roll it out with the next release
    • Did you file a bug report for Wikidata or did someone else do it for you? Please take a minute to check if it is still valid. (Thanks for filing it btw!)
    • Add some missing descriptions to those items with the same label?
    • Hack on one of these

Could I have 2 mins of your time? As I’ll be working on some other projects for Wikimedia Germany as well from now on the time I can spend on Wikidata will be reduced. This means I’ll have to figure out what is useful to spend time on. If you’re reading this could you let me know for example on this discussion page? Also if you have ideas how to improve the weekly summaries please post them. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk)

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Useless moving[edit]

You moved Wikidata:Wikidata migration/Progress see http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk:Wikidata_migration/Sitelink_removal/Progress&action=history - but Addbot is not updating your moved version, but the old site. Hence, this move was pretty useless. Either Addbot should update the new site, or you might want to undo the move. --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 10:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on WD:AN, sorry about the delay. Legoktm (talk) 13:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Empty items[edit]

Hi Legoktm,

It might be helpful if some sort of statement was added to bot created items for categories, e.g. Q9311042? --  Docu  at 18:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, what can the bot add? Legoktm (talk) 13:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I requested a block for Legobot[edit]

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I requested a temporary block for Legobot. It was creating around or more than a thousand edits per minute, which probably has caused a major lag for the dispatcher. I would please ask you to throttle the edit rate a bit.

The community can decide to unblock you any time, but immediately when putting the block on Legobot, the dispatch numbers have started improving. The average lag was at a high of 6 hours at around 1 PM UTC. I would please ask you to keep an eye on these numbers: Special:DispatchStats.

If this means that the possible edit rate is simply too low, let us know, and we will try to figure out how to deal with more edits.

Please do not understand this as any form of blaming or whatever. I admire your work and am very thankful for it. This request in no way should be understood as diminishing your efforts. It was for purely technical reasons, based on the limits of the system. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. --Denny Vrandečić (WMDE) (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata is a site that should be able to accommodate a fairly high share of bot activity in the future.
Given that some Wikis have a much higher density of bots, it seems odd that one bot could slow down this wiki.
Despite the block, the lag increased further (it's at 8h16). This suggests that it might not be the bot. --  Docu  at 18:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Check the average pending objects and not the lag time. You can't trust the lag time, but the pending objects are decreasing constantly since the bot was blocked. At enwp there is a maximum of 6edits/min; Legobot did over 1000... Mabdul (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a large amount of items edited/created the wikidata parser have to work on this list to tell every wiki "hey there was a change" this means you can not simply compare wikidata to other wikis. This also means that the lag time can get bigger even if there is no current activity, because of old edits which still have to get parsed. Legobot got blocked 10 hours ago. Special:DispatchStats shows a lag of a little bit over 10 hours this means there are still items gerate bei Legobot which are getting parsed. If I am correct the lag should get smaller in the next few hours. --Sk!d (talk) 22:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We had for several hours an edit rate which was about 10 times that of the English Wikipedia - which was mostly caused by Legobot. Without Legobot, the edit rate is around 1 to 2 times as high as English Wikipedia, which is fine. So, 6 edits per minute is definitively fine - heck, probably even something a bit faster. But 1000 edits per minute from a single bot simply pushes our limits right now, we are not prepared for that. If this is really the requirement, we have to think how to accomodate that. --Denny (talk) 20:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The whole 6epm thing on enwiki is a tiny bit silly, on a standard wiki you can edit at 1000s/epm with no real lag being caused. It just seems that wikidata has a lot of background work to do each time an item is created :) ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 20:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
6 is indeed a bit odd. Probably due to AWB being a bit slowish ;)
I looked about an hour ago and there were about 500 edits/min from various bots and users. Obviously most were not creations of new items. Still, if the site stops working if we double that rate, we will soon have a problem anyways. --  Docu  at 21:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand correctly, it is better to group all edits about the same item at the same time reduces the amount of changes that needs to be propagated. If so, that may be better to import whole infoboxes rather than just a few statements based on categories. --Zolo (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, but I'm not sure if this is relevant here.
Before it was blocked, Legobot created items like Q10259734, Q10259733. I doubt that there was much to propagate. --  Docu  at 21:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The lag is at 12 hours now. 10-12 h is the standard backlog, see bugzilla:45892: any reason to think that Legobot affected it substantially? --Nemo 23:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I though they changed the job so now there are more simultaneous jobs running. which should minimize the backlog --Sk!d (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the lag was down to 0 before the 1000epm ;-) --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Well, during the night the backlog didn't go down at all, it's now at 340 437. --Nemo 08:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, when I woke up (23 UTC) average was at 13h, now its down to 10h. I didn't pay attention to the numbers though... Legoktm (talk) 08:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Backlog is ever-growing, now half a million. I don't know if the bot made it worse but surely blocking it didn't fix the problem. --Nemo 07:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As the problem doesn't seem to be related to this bot, is there already some bug filed about the root cause? --  Docu  at 19:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Well, I always seem to be asleep when all the interesting things happen. Denny, no offense taken. I had no idea it was editing that fast, I was aiming for more around 400-500epm. I've killed the creation feature for now, so all the bot should be doing now is it's standard <60epm editing. I do think that this exposes a bigger bug in Wikidata, that bot's aren't editing with dispatch lag in mind (like they do with maxlag), and have filed bugzilla:46910 accordingly. Legoktm (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adding properties to lists (not categories)[edit]

Hi, Is it possible to add properties to a list by bot? For example, all items linked here should have

  • main type (GND)-> person

(This is a list of poets/writers of Turkic Literature wikiproject) Thanks in advance! -- Meisam (talk) 07:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet. This will be possible by the weekend, I'm working on a new system. :) Legoktm (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. It would be very helpful. -- Meisam (talk) 14:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Discovered by" for asteroids[edit]

Hello Lego, I understood it would have taken few hours to have Legobot working on the list that I prepared. Apparently it has not strted yet inserting the property. It's just backlog from other task in the pipeline of the bot or did you find any blocking issue? --Ysogo (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I had loaded it into the database, just forgot to start the actual job runner to set it onto Wikidata. Should be going now. 40k edits to make :) Legoktm (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thank you.--Ysogo (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #52[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • The first year is over. Thank you everyone for being amazing and helping to build Wikidata and making it more than we could possibly have hoped for already. <3
    • Put a lot of work into improved support for Internet Explorer 8
    • Worked on improving recent changes code in client
    • Finished valueview refactoring. Created new extension “ValueView”
    • Implemented string formatter
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • upcoming: GLAM-Wiki 2013
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Deployment of phase 2 on English Wikipedia is currently planned for April 8. The remaining Wikipedias are scheduled for April 10. As usual this might change if we run into problems along the way.
    • There is now a page showing the current lag for changes propagating to the Wikipedias so they can show up in watchlists and recent changes for example. This should ideally be in the range of a few minutes. Right now it is higher because of some abnormally high bot activity but decreasing. Should be down to a few minutes soon.
    • There’s now a badge you can add to Wikipedia articles to indicate there is data about it on Wikidata
    • We hit Q10000000
    • A Wikidata item in the wild ;-)
  • Did you know?
  • Open Tasks for You

Based on feedback for last week’s call for comments we will continue this newsletter. However more community help will be needed. From now on they’ll be drafted at d:Wikidata:Status updates/Next and your help is very welcome.

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American films by year[edit]

The French category fr:Catégorie:Film américain par date de sortie (American films by year) contains umpzillion subcategories that haven't been linked to the subcategories of id:Kategori:Film Amerika Serikat, pt:Categoria:Filmes dos Estados Unidos por ano, fi:Luokka:Yhdysvaltalaiset elokuvat vuosittain etc. Unfortunately, Legobot has added those French subcategories to Wikidata, which makes it really slow to add the missing links manually, as you have to merge and delete the pages one by one. Is this something that can be fixed with a bot? --Silvonen (talk) 08:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely! I'll take a stab at it in a few hours. Legoktm (talk) 09:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a list of all different language versions of these categories? I'll have Legobot get started on fr, id, fi, and pt for now. Legoktm (talk) 10:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Found ca. Legoktm (talk) 10:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Aaaaand ✓ Done. Any category from 1908-2015 should be consolidated into one item now. If there are more languages or any years that were missed I can re-run it :) Legoktm (talk) 11:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit count statistics[edit]

Hi, could you have a look at these questions: Wikidata:Project_chat#Statistics_of_users_by_edit_count? Regards, IW (wikidata addict) 12:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thermidor wikidata[edit]

Hello dear. i decided to delete Farsi lang. link of interwiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidor links and add it to Thermidorian reaction unfortune i delete all interwiki liks in wikidata. how can i return those links?2.176.214.0 12:38, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Property inheritance/P21 not in P107[edit]

Hi Legoktm, it look's like your bot is only adding new inheritances but keeps the solved ones. As far as I've checked the list all items are P107 type p (person). If an item is male or female the bot can always add GND type p. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The toolserver has some serious replication lag issues right now, so the results are probably 4-5 days out of date. Legoktm (talk) 02:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

create=yes[edit]

Hi Legoktm,

For the various birth category requests at User:Legobot/properties.js, you might want to use the item creation option.

BTW, on https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/static/948.html there are a few items with the result "Q-1". These pages seem to exist on en_wiki (e.g. en:Versam-Safien (Rhaetian Railway station)). Unfortunately, as interwikis, they include a link to an anchor of a de_wiki page that already has a wikidata entry. Not sure if it's worth doing something about them. I can also create the manually when I come across them. --  Docu  at 22:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I rarely bothered with setting |create=yes if the original requestor didn't. I think it should probably be the default now? The only reason it wasn't in the past was because my conflict detecting methods weren't very good, but I've fixed that a while back.
The Q-1 is because it fails upon creation (-1 is what the server responds with, and my script tacks a "Q" on in front), due to there being a section link. I'll try and tweak my creation script to account for that. Legoktm (talk) 02:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it could be the default.
As most requests are either for people or places, it would make things easier if it was a quick way to set the related entity type. I suppose that could be done in the array properties gadget. --  Docu  at 05:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For places, maybe a direct slot for the country would help there too. --  Docu  at 05:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done btw, Now you pass a "nocreate=1" if you don't want creation. Legoktm (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback needed[edit]

Hello! I made several requests using the Array Properties tool. Are these the right sort of thing to be requesting? Thanks --Tbennert (talk) 01:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yup they look pretty good to me! You can probably expand on them as well, like for all the various NFL players, we can also set main type-->person, and sex-->male (I'm pretty sure there have been no female players...). The JS tool doesn't support it, but there's documentation here explaining how to add more properties to an existing request. Also as a heads up to make sure duplicate work doesn't get done, I already ran through all of the NHL players, and wrote other scripts to parse the enwiki infoboxes for hockey players, baseball players, NBA players, and soccer players. Never got to NFL players, so thanks :) Legoktm (talk) 02:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, It has been almost three days that your bot hasn't processing a request. Is it because of the lag (if you want to tell us why)? Could you tell us when you think it will be active again? Thanks a lot. Ayack (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is a high dispatch lag right now (see Special:DispatchStats and Wikidata_talk:Bots#Bot_speed), so I just haven't started any new requests yet. Legoktm (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks! Ayack (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Special:DispatchStats is now at zero. --  Docu  at 14:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bother you again, but do you know when you will start new requests? Thanks. Ayack (talk) 07:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I cleaned through 95% of the requests after modifying the code to throttle. Lets get this show on the road! :D Legoktm (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks a lot! Ayack (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, I temporarily disabled it since the db is going to go in to read-only mode for a short time today, which is going to confuse the bot. Legoktm (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Restarted now that that's over. Legoktm (talk) 21:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mr wiki[edit]

Legobot has been making several redundant categories on wikidata (e.g. Q9909120, Q9909162 etc). Can this be stopped and previous work undone? - Abhijitsathe (talk) 10:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

bot errors with P107 and Disambiguation[edit]

Hey I have spotted two errors of your bot there should be only on GND type but your bot added two here only Q618123 is the correct value. And your eddit here is also false this seems not to be a disambiguation page. --Sk!d (talk) 23:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This edit is false too. Maybe you could check all interwikilinks if they are disambiguations too. Or at least you could check if there is already a value for P107 and only add one if there is none. And list all conflicts on a page so humans can add or correct false values. --Sk!d (talk) 00:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'm investigating right now. Legoktm (talk) 07:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The interwiki to de at Q21463 added here seems to have messed it up. --  Docu  at 19:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AP list[edit]

ΛΧΣ21 04:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake[edit]

Hello. Your bot made many mistakes. Many pond it's no lake, it is reservoir: [4]. Please, correct this bug. Alfabetical category reservoir exist from ruwiki: w:ru:К:Водохранилища по алфавиту. Мастер теней (master of shadows) 19:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you can add both items. A reservoir is a type of lake. --  Docu  at 19:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's wrong: in russian language (and slavic languages) reservoir != lake. A reservoir is a type of waterbody (водоём). Мастер теней (master of shadows) 20:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #53[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Got some external professional review of our code and architecture and started working on their feedback
    • Worked on reducing the dispatch lag (the time it takes for changes on Wikidata to be sent to the Wikipedias for display in watchlist, recent changes and to purge affected pages)
    • Worked on using Redis for job queue to improve the lag situation even further
    • Created new Wikibase Query extension for phase 3 functionality
    • Autocomments & Autosummaries for SetClaim module
    • Worked on the GeoCoordinate parser
  • Events/Press
    • right now: GLAM-WIKI 2013
  • Discussions
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Deployment of phase 2 on the remaining Wikipedias was delayed because of a high lag of changes being propagated to the Wikipedias. The lag has been reduced considerably now and is going down even more. The new date for deployment will not be next week because there are other large changes on Wikimedia infrastructure scheduled that we do not want to interfere with. It will hopefully happen very soon after that though.
    • Next code update on wikidata.org is planned for Wednesday. This should include qualifiers and bugfixes.
    • There will probably be a short outage/read-only for wikidata.org on Tuesday (database is being switched to MariaDB)
    • If you're a student and interested in coding on Wikidata consider applying for Google Summer of Code.
    • There is a new user right: property creators
    • There is now a page to request deletion of a property
    • We now have Bureaucrats
    • Reasonator was improved and extended (1 2)
  • Open Tasks for You

Based on feedback for last week’s call for comments we will continue this newsletter. However more community help will be needed. From now on they’ll be drafted at d:Wikidata:Status updates/Next and your help is very welcome.

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Items for category redirects[edit]

Hello, Legoktm. Your bot has recently created Q10099594 for ro:Categorie:Colecţionari de artă români, which is a category redirect to ro:Categorie:Colecționari de artă români (item Q8680256). I don't know if this is already discussed, but in my oppinion the category redirects are just another form of redirects and should not have items on Wikidata. What do you think about this? Rsocol (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I thought I had excluded all category redirects but maybe not. Thanks for letting me know and I'll take a look to see what needs to be fixed. Legoktm (talk) 07:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update a report[edit]

Hello dear Legoktm,

Please update this report for fawiki.Thanks

Best Regards --Javad|Talk (25 Farvardin 1392) 07:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've started running that for all wikis, and it should be done in 24h. Legoktm (talk) 11:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much :) --Javad|Talk (25 Farvardin 1392) 14:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please also hsb (might be done) and cs. And there is bug with names containing "-" you have there e.g. roa_rup wiki with zero size file, but there might be roa-rup wiki. JAn Dudík (talk) 07:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again.it does not done yet, please check it.Thank you.kindly regards --Javad|Talk (27 Farvardin 1392) 18:51, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Should be updated, except for all the wiki's with a - in them, turns out there was another bug which I just fixed, and am re-running those right now. Legoktm (talk) 05:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is updated now Ok,Thanks.Regards --Javad|Talk (28 Farvardin 1392) 05:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hi,

The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you first proposed it. --  Docu  at 10:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great thanks! There are some categories like en:Category:Canadian ice hockey centres which we can use to populate this property. I'm going to get a fix in to the properties bot to implement some kind of throttle so we can re-activate it later today. Legoktm (talk) 11:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a periodic check to see if the lag hasn't gotten too large .. I doubt that would happen on weekends though. --  Docu  at 12:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed you first proposed its creation. --  Docu  at 14:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Files[edit]

Hi Legoktm, I think we should not create items for files. I've start a discussion here. Cheers --Kolja21 (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We just had this discussion.... Wikidata:Requests for comment/Inclusion of non-article pages 2 Legoktm (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update page: Wikidata:Database reports/Missing links/ruwiki[edit]

Could you please update next page - Wikidata:Database reports/Missing links/ruwiki. Thanks. --Averaver (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the toolserver's copy of wikidata is lagged behind by about a week now, so my queries are being killed before they can complete. Not much I can do unfortunately :( Legoktm (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Database reports/Missing links for fa.wiki[edit]

Hi, could you please make this report for fa.wikipedia . Thanks --Javad|Talk (29 Farvardin 1392) 18:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #54[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Dispatch lag is now down to 0 so changes should show up very quickly on the Wikipedias in watchlists and recent changes
    • wikidata.org now always redirects to www.wikidata.org. This should among other things solve the issue where people were not able to edit when on wikidata.org (bugzilla:45005)
    • Fixed weird blocked-user/protected-page handling in UI (bugzilla:45140)
    • Final meetings for the external professional review of our code and architecture. They were quite happy with the quality of the codebase and gave useful tips for improvements
    • Worked on automatic summaries for editing claims
    • Investigation of different JavaScript frameworks dealing with date and time
    • Worked on using Redis and the job queue for change notifications to clients
    • Work on the storage code for answering queries
  • Events/Press
    • GLAM-WIKI 2013
    • upcoming: office hour on IRC about sources
    • upcoming: Opensource Treffen
    • upcoming: intro to Wikidata at the British Library
  • Discussions
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Open Tasks for You
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Bot flag[edit]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that my bot (ViscoBot) doesn't make edits with the flag bot, even if today it's been approved. Is there something wrong with my user? Should I do something to "flag" the edits? --Viscontino (talk) 10:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have to submit &bot=1 in your api request. --Sk!d (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Thank you! --Viscontino (talk) 11:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove pt:Público (jornal espanhol) from Q10355769 and include it in Q1835391. Regards. --Yone Fernandes (talk) 16:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Legoktm (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain instead of mountain range[edit]

Hi, please see this edit. It is incorrect, Picos de Europa is mountain range, not single mountain. Please recheck another mountains. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for the very quick response :-) Ypnypn (talk) 01:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem :) Legoktm (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Property:P360, Q215627[edit]

Can you explain what the meaning is of http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5121145&diff=29651651&oldid=21481792 . In my opninion it is not a wanted property+value combination. Because I see it claimed in several articles that are not a "list" but just about a person or disamb of a person. 145.53.76.181 17:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, if you want to 'tag' articles because there is a 'list' of something mentioned in it, this claim is in most cases only referring to the English article, and not automatically for other Wikipedia's. Then, please add a qualifier to indicate this claim/statement only holds for the English wikipedia. 145.53.76.181 17:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would tend to agree with the IP. The property is not meant for this usage. Please stop the script. (Another example.) --Izno (talk) 19:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've responded at Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#Stop_bot. Legoktm (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Q10982411 ?[edit]

Hi there, why have you created an item for one file in the en-wp: Q10982411? ;)
Same for Q10982438. Please delete them. Greetings, --#Reaper (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't see what's wrong with them? This way they can be used for a cover art property. Legoktm (talk) 00:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ha[edit]

Nice. --FrigidNinja 11:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see my comment? --Fomafix (talk) 08:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No I didn't sorry. The bot did a run, crashed partway through, and then restarted the whole thing over again. The bot shouldn't add the claim again. Legoktm (talk) 08:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please take a look why your bot added Property:P360 there? English Wikipedia is article about person, not disambiguation page. I think will be good idea to re-run bot to check correctness of other similar additions. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Same for Q466155, Q984154. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm betting there is some random subcat in the wrong parent category 4 levels down and these items are all a part of it. I'll try and take a look later today. Legoktm (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete bad statements[edit]

Hello, I wanted to make some requests to add types of administrative divisions, but it would be better if some bad statements were deleted before that. Would it be complicated for your bot to delete all P:P31 and P:P132 with value Q28575 or Q706447 (they are either plain wrong or very vague). --Zolo (talk) 15:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, will do. Legoktm (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All ✓ Done Legoktm (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, would you also add Q47168 (US county), given that county are defined at the state-level, I'd rather use state-specific items). --Zolo (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done Legoktm (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Logs of Legobot on 24 april 2013[edit]

Hello, Legoktm! Thanks for executing the request regarding Romanian counties using Legobot. I tried to find the log of this execution, but I did not find it. The page User:Legobot/properties.js/Archive/2013/04/24 links to some other execution log ([6]). Can you please check what happened to the logs from today? Rsocol (talk) 18:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Try https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/static/?sortby=7 --  Docu  at 18:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I stuck a note on top of User:Legobot/properties.js/Archive saying that I'm in the process of moving everything to WMF labs so the new logs wont be ready until I can get my log generating scripts set up. Shouldn't be more than a few days. Legoktm (talk) 02:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Births[edit]

Hi Legoktm,

This category seems to have slipped into some request. --  Docu  at 18:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]