Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2017/07

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User:Dexbot (inactive admin bot)

This account does not meet our minimum activity requirement of 5 actions every 6 months (d:WD:A). But it is a bot, not a normal admin. However, it seems to have ceased all admin activity in late 2016.

How should we handle this? --Rschen7754 05:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Hindi users

[1] lists many users changing Hindi labels and descriptions, tagging as bad edits. Thry are probably an offline workshop.--GZWDer (talk) 17:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Where do you need admins? Stryn (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
@Stryn, GZWDer: This is getting way out of hand. Mahir256 (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Please semi-protect Q2013

Thanks.
--- Jura 03:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done Done for infinite time. Pamputt (talk) 09:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Watchlist summary

Please add

Join the Cycle 3 of the Wikimedia Movement Strategy discussions, and debate about the challenges identified by the research.

to {{Watchlist summary}}. The discussion is taking place until the end of July. It's movement-wide, strategically important, and extremely unusual :) so I'd like to suggest you to keep it visible until July, 31. Thanks for understanding. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm also an experienced sysop on my home wiki, so I'll ask maybe this way: do you need any help with this? do you need consensus? if yes, among whom? Are you wondering if Wikimedia strategy relates to Wikidata? any other doubts? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 08:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • We typically do not use {{Watchlist summary}} for such announcements. If I don’t miss anything, the only exception in the past two years was a this link to the strategy discussion in May, and I haven’t looked back any further.
  • Announcements are delivered to WD:PC and the like using mass messages instead. Would this be an acceptable alternative for you?
  • Users tend to suppress this box (as well as sitenotices, etc.) if too many advertisements show up.
—MisterSynergy (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @MisterSynergy: thanks for your answer. If that was an exception, I humbly request for the next one. This is the same strategy discussion, it's still important, movement-wide, long-term, and there's not going to be anything of this kind in the next couple of (13-15?) years. I'll post a message on WD:PC, but on that page, discussions older than 7 days are archived. In order to achieve a constant noticeability for the info, I'd have to post a message once a week (or more often). Secondly, please take a look at this page and compare how many comments were published in May (2 weeks), and how many in June (also 2 weeks, but the last 10 days without the info visible on the Watchlist summary). 60:13. These numbers suggest that the Watchlist summary increases the awareness and participation. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • If WMF thinks that it is this important, a CentralNotice should be used. It is more efficient than going to all 800+ WMF sites and asking for a special notice. --Rschen7754 20:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done, then. I'll just post on WD:PC. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Please protect Q16190030

Geometry Dash (Q16190030) is heavily vandalized by anonymous IP. -- LaddΩ chat ;) 03:15, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done eurodyne (talk) 03:16, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please see LadyOnTheRun's contribs - not sure if this is straight up vandalism at this point or just a lack of competence but they keep going and have not responded. This is also potentially an x-wiki vandal but I'm not sure who the master is. I've tried to revert as much as possible but hard without twinkle/rb here :P Hope this is the right venue to report.Chrissymad (talk) 18:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall

Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall (Q1768200) is still nominated for Good Article in Vietnamese Wikipedia. Please remove the GA star.210.10.201.226 05:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done Pamputt (talk) 06:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing reverting without given reason

I've removed some advertisement for ORCID on Wikidata:Autobiography, but I keep getting reverted by Pigsonthewing (talk • contribs • logs) without any given reason. Hopefully someone can take action, as this is not the first time he behaves like this. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: You clearly have a conflict of interest when it comes to the question of how ORCID should be featured and therefore are not in a good position to enforce a decision. I reverted the last version of User:Sjoerddebruin.ChristianKl (talk) 03:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
That's rather a serious accusation. Please provide evidence for it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
"In particular" is not very neutral, isn't it? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it is (even so, there is no requirement for help pages to exhibit neutrality). What do you think it means? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:42, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
It's a page in the Wikidata namespace, not in the help namespace. Now it seems like we, as the community, think ORCID is more important than others. It's not even trusted authority control. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Why do you think that the thesis of you having ties to ORCID is a serious accusation that needs evidence? As a Wikimedia-in-Residence you have an institutional tie and thus you have a conflict of interest. ChristianKl (talk) 22:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
You're deflecting. I didn't ask for evidence fo me "having ties to ORCID", I asked for evidence that my interests are conflicted. You have none. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
It seems to me like you don't understand the concept of a conflict of interested. ChristianKl (talk) 14:02, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
It seems like you're unable to make your accusations stand up to the simplest scrutiny. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
It's getting rather tiresome having Sjoerddebruin nitpick my activities on Wikidata. I do wish he'd desist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm wondering where this page came from. It seems to be entirely written by Andy Mabbett, up to the recent edit war. Can anybody just create pages in the Wikidata namespace that look (as this one does) semi-official? Shouldn't there be an RFC or something to establish some sort of consensus on the topic? We seem to have far too many pages like this (the recent RFC's about Nikkimaria's source removals based on the non-consensus Verifiability page are a similar issue). Also it does read like a Help page, so shouldn't it be in the Help namespace? ArthurPSmith (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree, writing a page like this without the {{Proposed}}
template is wrong. I added the template. I agree that it would also make sense to remove pages like the non-consesnus verifiability page when nobody makes an attempt to put it in front of an RfC or the page finds no RfC majority. ChristianKl (talk) 23:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Why on earth would anyone use a template that adds the words "It is proposed that this informational page become a policy or guideline.", when no such status is proposed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
If others think it better in the 'Help:' namespace, I'd have no problem with moving it there, leaving the current page as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
If this isn't a proposed policy it should be neither in the main namespace nor in the help namespace because the page gives the impression of being a policy. If you want to describe your own opinions, you can do that in your username namespace. ChristianKl (talk) 10:34, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
"If this isn't a proposed policy it should be neither in the main namespace nor in the help namespace " Really? Since you're so keen on policy formulation, can you point to a policy saying so? Or are you just making up rules on the fly? "the page gives the impression of being a policy" Again: really? Do you see {{Policy}} anywhere on the page? "If you want to describe your own opinions, you can do that in your username namespace." Indeed. If that was what I wanted to do, I would do as you suggest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the namespace gives the impression. In the absence of a written policy to handle something, I do propose a consensus position. Of course you can diagree and try to convince other people of your view of how we should handle the issue. In this case, ArthurPSmith already voiced that he's uncomfortable with the page. I created a Request for Deletion, do see more clearly whether other people also believe that Wikidata is better of without that page. ChristianKl (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
"I think the namespace gives the impression." Well, I'll be happy to educate you on that matter. It does not, as you can easily see by the fact that all WikiPrject pages (for example) are in the same namespace. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
About project:Conflict of interest (Q4663309) and Mr. Mabbett: Please remember this discussion from 2014. According to Andy Mabbett (Q15136093) (last edited today) he still is Wikimedian in residence (Q3809586) at ORCID, Inc. (Q19861084). --Succu (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I am amazed at this conversation. We really need to have our data in the best possible shape. ORCID is a subset of our data and when we should have it in the best possible shape. The impression that I get is that this issue is more personal and not really about our data or ORCID. Having information on how to best apply ORCID is something we should have for all the external sources. So what is the reason why we should not have this for ORCID? Thanks, GerardM (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Andy Mabbett (Q15136093)

It seems that Sjoerd de Bruin's response to this discussion is to vandalise Andy Mabbett (Q15136093). Naturally, I've reverted, but an independent editor should take a look and decide whether - flattering though a suggestion of such precociousness might be - it's really likely that my first book was published in the supposed year of my birth. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Just based on sources. Removed some claims that I couldn't verify with the given link and removed all the VIAF identifiers that pointed to works and stuff (those shouldn't be on a item about a person). Also some sources didn't support the given claim. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Let's see. You:

  • removed the FRSA award, cited to [2] which says "a project run by Fellow Andy Mabbett" (as quoted in that citation) and refers to me as "Andy Mabbett, FRSA"
  • removed gender (!), cited to a page which still exists in the Internet Archive
  • removed the same citation from "instance of human"
  • added a patently false date of birth - a clear BLP violation

Is this how you think an admin should act? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

While I am inclined to support those deleting Wikidata:Autobiography because of the persistent ORCID plug and issues with the namespace it is in, I am just as appalled as you are at this turn of events. (The only one of the those edits which I can marginally think of supporting is removing the 'gender' citation, only because your gender is not explicitly mentioned by the attached quote or anywhere in the referenced text.) Mahir256 (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Very well: "removed gender, which is supported by other citations used on the item". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

GA Badge for Marion Military Institute

Marion Military Institute on Chinese Wikipedia has become a GA, so please add a GA badge to the article. Thanks.--Šolon (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done - Mbch331 (talk) 13:29, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

protection

Hi, could Wikipedia language edition (Q10876391) be semi-protected? This item is receiving an unusual amount of vandalism. Jc86035 (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done, for a month--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Fighting with bots to actually, on purpose, delete an item

See Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_deletions#Deltabot_false_positive. An item is burned because of changing meaning over time. Wanted to actually delete it after creating fresh new ones, but … it has been merged earlier, so the merged item had to be deleted. Bots refuses to delete redirects. I had to restore item in an earlier non rediricted version, which is hard because their sitelinks are linked to newer item and wikibase refuses to restore it if you did not temporarily removed them of their newer item. Once done, I call for a deletion but … PLBot restores a redirect to a newer item I’m not exactly sure how it has been found and nothing is deleted. Grrrrrr … author  TomT0m / talk page 18:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Can you please list the items you’d like to have deleted here? I don’t think you need to add reasons for deletion… —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I deleted Q3215395. If DeltaBot is premature marking a request a done, you can write a request in your own words instead of using the template and put it on WD:RFD or on this noticeboard here. But I don't see how this is related to the action of PLbot on Q11963020. Why was the redirect to Q31516139 not okay? And what should now happen with Q11963020 after you undid the redirect? --Pasleim (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protection for "Roman Reigns" (Q275971)

Hello,
Could you semi-protect Roman Reigns (Q275971), due to frequent vandalism from various IP addresses?
Regards --NicoScribe (talk) 10:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

done --Pasleim (talk) 14:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Asinis632

Please help me monitor the contributions of Asinis632. User has been requested by Jon Harald Søby not to create items for Wiktionary NS:0 items as they are handled by Cognate. The user responded with OK, but continued to create items for NS:0 Wiktionary pages. I've deleted them today and requested again today not to do so, but I'm not sure the user will listen this time. More eyes on his contributions would be great in order to prevent a lot of work for admins in removing NS:0 items. Mbch331 (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

У реду одустајем од овога и чекаћу да се заврши процес. Хвала на опомени. Asinis632 (talk) 08:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Asinis632 (talk) 08:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Since I don't speak Serbian, I translated it through Google and I read something about "Waiting to complete the process". What process? For Wiktionary no main namespace items ever need to be created not now and not in the future. There's an extension called Cognate that provides the interwiki-links for main namespace items in Wiktionary. Mbch331 (talk) 08:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. I think in serbian , but read english. Wikidata. I still working on Serbian wiktionary. Thank's. Asinis632 (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Item missing key data

Sorry, relatively new to Wikidata, so apologies if this is somewhat in the wrong place but there is no obvious better place. When adding a Wikidata-based infobox to a page on the Gaelic Wiki here I ended in total confusion over [3]. There is no English definition/name and the translations disagree with each other, the German suggests members of the Scottish parliament but the other two members of the 5th Scottish Parliament which would be a duplicate of [4]. The fact it pulls up in our inbox under the Membership category suggests the German is more right than wrong but it doesn't look right either. It possibly could refer to members of the Scottish National Party but who knows... What is the best path to resolving such an opaque entry? Akerbeltz (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I restored the sitelink on list of Members of the 5th Scottish Parliament (Q23956601) that you have moved to the item about the term. That is mixing concepts, because the German page is about members during that term. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
And you are probably referring to edits like this. That is totally wrong and should be fixed. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:48, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
I've used PetScan to remove all the member of (P463): list of Members of the 5th Scottish Parliament (Q23956601) entries (and made sure all of them have a position held (P39): Member of the 5th Scottish Parliament (Q30580546) instead). There don't seem to have been equivalents for any of the previous terms. I've also tied up some of the labels and properties on the various "List of…" pages for these positions, and the connections between them all. @Akerbeltz: do these make more sense now? I'm happy to help out with getting those infoboxes working well, as the Scottish Parliament has a slightly experimental model that differs from most other legislatures. (You can find more explanation at Wikidata talk:WikiProject British Politicians#Scottish Parliament) --Oravrattas (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok the infobox displays the "right" values now and the entries remaining on Wikidata now make more sense, so thank you very much for that. I'm still finding my feet with Wikidata. I'm sure it'll get easier. In terms of help, thanks for the offer. We're currently having a debate about that on the Gaelic Wiki. The type of Wikidata-based infobox developed by the Basques is really really cool for small Wikis but the main stumbling block is the degree of difficulty involved in translating them - not the translation part itself, that's easy - but each template has so many dependencies and interlinked "bits" that it's very hard work. We're debating whether we should try and lobby Wikipedia to integrate this as a translatable feature as a sub-project of Wikidata or maybe hire a dev to develop these for us. So for now we're probably just sticking with this one Wikidata based infobox until we know how to proceed but if anything Scottish Parliament related comes up in the meantime, I'll give you a shout. Many thanks again! Akerbeltz (talk) 12:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Here's another weird one. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk pulls up Q16131117 which only has some Hebrew in it (it's linked under place of death). Googling the Hebrew, I get a basketball player? Akerbeltz (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Someone incorrectly changed the place of death statement (in Special:Diff/468098085). I've undone the edit. - Nikki (talk) 20:31, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Akerbeltz (talk) 11:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Please restore Philippe Murer (Q16669765)

It was in my watchlist but I don't know what was this item. Thanks. — Ayack (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I restored the item, the person in question seems to be an economic advisor to Le Pen. That seems to be notable. ChristianKl (talk) 22:31, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. — Ayack (talk) 06:44, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Request protection for Alexander Hamilton (Q178903)

For several months now, there have been attempts made by assorted IPs to replace Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton with John Laurens as Hamilton's spouse as well as making bogus changes to the size of the Hamilton brood. It may be inspired by some musical. A not-too-short semi-protection seems necessary. Favonian (talk) 10:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I semiprotected the item. ChristianKl (talk) 10:10, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Harcèlement par User:Visite fortuitement prolongée

Je n'ai jamais eu la moindre interaction avec Visite fortuitement prolongée sur Wikidata, et n'ai donc pas lieu d'être importuné à répétition, sur ma page de discussion Wikidata, par la personne titulaire de ce compte utilisateur au sujet de questions qui concernent le site fr.wikipedia.org et en aucun cas Wikidata.

Sur le site fr.wikipedia.org, en effet, le compte VFP est bloqué indéfiniment et où la personne recourant à ce compte contourne périodiquement son blocage pour reprendre les mauvaises habitudes ayant motivé son exclusion par consensus entre administrateurs opérateurs. Mais cette question n'a pas à déborder sur Wikidata.

Cela dit, il est de mon droit de contributeur de ne pas être importuné, pour des raisons tout à fait illégitimes, sur Wikidata, site où je me montre d'une très grande réserve, sans y agresser qui que ce soit ni participer d'une manière très ostensible à la « vie communautaire ».

J'envisage de demander aux stewards un blocage global de ce compte mais, par politesse, je demande cependant aux sysops de Wikidata de faire cesser voire seulement tenter de limiter les troubles, avant d'aller faire une requête sur Meta-Wiki pour cause de harcèlement cross-wiki. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 17:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Bonjour, @Visite fortuitement prolongée: utiliser Wikidata pour tenir une conversation qui devrait avoir lieu sur Wikipédia parce que tu es bloquée là-bas est effectivement un contournement de blocage et persister risque de te valoir un blocage ici aussi. -Ash Crow (talk) 10:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
For non-French speakers: Hégésippe Cormier complains that Visite fortuitement prolongée, who is blocked indefinitely on the French Wikipedia, is bypassing that block by harassing him about Wikipedia-related issues on his Wikidata talk page. I concurred with that observation and warned Visite fortuitement prolongée that she would be blocked if she insists. -Ash Crow (talk) 10:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Q253890

Can we bring together Q253890 and Q22113409? Same animals − synonyms. --OJJ (talk) 15:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Let's ping User:PieterJanR and User:Succu who did the opposite (see history). --Leyo 15:54, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
OJJ, Leyo: Following the taxonomic opionon of The Reptile database I reunited the sitelinks at Eryx colubrinus (Q253890). To make the relationship between the two items more clear I added besides the existing value of original combination (P1403) a new one for taxon synonym (P1420). --Succu (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

P373 with bad values

There should be implemented a feature (either an abuse filter or an enhancement to the Gadget-AuthorityControl) which prevents users adding bad values (inexistent commons categories) for Commons category (P373). Take a look what happened here - three times was added Commons category (P373): Myurego, and each time a bot removed it as this Commons category does not exist. For image (P18) such a feature already exists and works fine. XXN, 20:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I just removed the value from the infobox on ruwiki. I think it's better to tackle this problem from it's source. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Block my bot

Please block my bot user:Mr.Ibrahembot for 16 hours because I can't stop it from phone now.--Mr. Ibrahem (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

thanks :) --Mr. Ibrahem (talk) 21:08, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
How do you block an account for such an amount of time? I've only ever used one of those offered from the dropdown box before haha. Jared Preston (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Well I just tried what happens if I manually key in “16 hours”. It worked, apparently ;-) —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
That's pretty cool. Jared Preston (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Works for protections, too! Jared Preston (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

These games...

does not seem to work very well. I think its time to review them and deactivate those who do a poor job! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 07:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: ChristianKl (talk) 13:48, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@Innocent bystander: I have better solution to to vote against and revert series of edits. Not sure much time it would take.d1g (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

add request

please add cdo:Abraham Lincoln in Q91.--112.5.237.115 15:06, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done --Pasleim (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Donald Trump on social media

Could we have semi-protection on social media use by Donald Trump (Q30099997), please? A dynamic IP keeps adding values which more properly sit on Donald Trump (Q22686). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think semi-protection is necessary here. There was only one bad edit during the last month. --Pasleim (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

add request

please add cdo:Alexander Hamilton in Q178903.--112.5.236.8 12:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Protection/watch Arturo Borja (Q5707138)

This page seems top be suffering a little vandalism, and dubious editing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't see anything that would justify protecting the page. There's three bad edits from last October, one in May and five today (from a single IP). - Nikki (talk) 13:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

please add

Please add cdo:Leonardo da Vinci in Q762.--112.5.236.8 15:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

You can do it by yourself by clicking on "Edit" next to "Wikipedia". Then, you type "cdo" and you add the link to the Min Dong Wikipedia page. Pamputt (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
@Pamputt:No, he can't. The page is semi-protected. ChristianKl (talk) 16:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done ChristianKl (talk) 16:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah indeed. I did not pay attention. Pamputt (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Request protection for John Laurens (Q3181906)

Requesting semi-protection due to vandalism. This concerns attempts made, mostly by IPs, to add Alexander Hamilton as spouse of John Laurens. For the same vandalism in the other direction, see the recent (July 16) protection request here for Alexander Hamilton (Q178903), in which semi-protection was granted. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks, Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 05:53, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

adding a new language to a related article

this article is about a preson called "Bachir Tartag" aka "Athmane Tartag"

it's on the ar.wikipedia.org there is another article in fr.wikipedia.org, about the same person, i just wanna concatinate them, in order to make the search easier for people.

✓ Done - Merged the two items. Mbch331 (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Missing translation fields

I've gotten the hang of the translation part by now but I have come across two now which puzzle me. Usually, with a bit of lag, the 4 main locales for my region appear and I click Edit and get the fields to input my translation. But Q855091 and Q21513080 don't behave like that. No matter what I do, I get the Set label, description and aliases page when I hit Edit. Is there something wrong in the way those pages are set up? Akerbeltz (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Try to purge your cache. It already solved this kind of issue in my case. Pamputt (talk) 11:28, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
It's not a cache issue. I tried the same pages in browser where a) I'm not logged into Wikidata and b) which I never use for editing Wikidata and the same issue remains. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Something seems broken in the software/user interface, I suspect some javascript issue. I can reproduce the problems in the items given by User:Akerbeltz (other items are okay), and there are edits by User:Innocent bystander and User:Pigsonthewing at WD:PC [5][6] who seem to have similar problems. My browser console complains about an “unknown dependency” with wikibase.mobile, so this could be relevant here as well. Anyone able to look into this? —MisterSynergy (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
This is probably the cause, see phab:T170668. I'm afraid this won't get fixed before Monday, though. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Monday is fine, as long as there's a fix in sight :) Akerbeltz (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
wikibase.mobile?
@MisterSynergy, Matěj Suchánek, Akerbeltz: I can tell that I never edit here through a mobile device. I do not even own such a thing. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 07:29, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
The wikibase.mobile error message has disappeared in my case from the browser console, but the problem is still there. Since purging the item page helps, I am no longer sure whether this is a javascript problem. —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Delete all labels and descriptions of Q10539493

Admins have access to a tool which delete all labels and descriptions to a single item. Please use it here!

Jan Fridegård - Ordkonstnären (Q10539493) is a documentary about a human, it is not a human (Q5) itself! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I removed the descriptions. But not sure about the labels, I think we can leave them if there is no translated name of the documentary for those languages. Stryn (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Another fight with bot

I am struggling with ‎User:QuickStatementsBot with vague description "#quickstatements; invoked by CoordinateScraper [by Magnus Manske]". It is blindly adding coordinates ignoring coordinate location (P625) constraints violations, so adding coordinate location (P625) to items like ice hotel (Q1317609) or alcazaba (Q91717). I have asked User:Magnus Manske for responsible user, but get no response. Instead of that bot is adding again coordinate location (P625) even to items, where i already removed it.--Jklamo (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: Could you please clarify if those edits were initiated by you or by somebody else? For a bot account which can edit on behalf of other users it's crucial to know who invokes the actions. --Pasleim (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Still no response (and almost 100 new constraints violations due to these edits).--Jklamo (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Still ongoing, no response, removed coordinate location (P625) added again.--Jklamo (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
In the case with icehotel it seems because the Turkish Wikipedia has a geocoordinate. I have taken the liberty to remove it. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
In case of alcazaba (Q91717) it is because the Swedish Wikipedia is wrongly linked to a specific "Alcazaba" in southern Spain. It is unclear to me why the labels for so many language in Wikidata has a capital first letter. This is confusing, since as far as I can see the Wikidata item refers to a general concept for the ones that I checked: An "alcazaba" can apparently be a type of fortress. Can people confirm this? I think we need to make a new item for the "Alcazaba" described by the Swedish Wikipedia. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Rather than bothering Magnus it seems that the problems should rather be regarded as an opportunity to clean up Wikipedias and Wikidata? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I have remove coordinates from alcazaba (Q91717) and moved the Swedish article to Alcazaba of Málaga (Q3127243). I hope that is correct and that it will stop the bot add geocoordinates to the Wikidata items in question. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 18:08, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

As you can see, coordinate location (P625) to both items were added again (these two were just examples, 100+ items are affected). Being responsible for bot edits and monitor constraint violations for errors generated or propagated by bot is clear rule, that must be applied for everyone, even for high-profile and highly respected developers.--Jklamo (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

:( The edits do need to stop. I'm reluctant to block the account because it will break the QuickStatements batch mode and therefore affect a bunch of other innocent people's edits too. I had an idea though: Wouldn't it be possible to add an abuse filter to prevent edits with "CoordinateScraper" in the summary? Nikki (talk) 12:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I've been sick for a while, so slow ping time. The "invoked by" ones are used internally by me exclusively, no one else can use them. I made fake bot names to indicate which of my tools did the edit. I have deactivated the coordinate updater for now. --Magnus Manske (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

82.203.24.241

Could someone (vi speaker if possible) check edits of Special:Contributions/82.203.24.241? They seem strange to me (although possibly done in good faith).--Jklamo (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

It looks like cleanup after Lsjbot and GeoNames, but I cannot tell if it is correctly done. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
What I don't like about their edits are the removal of diacritics from the English labels and removal of "imported from" references. Please also note this previous complaint and corresponding block. Maybe MisterSynergy wouldn't mind having a further look... Jared Preston (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. This anon user contributed a lot in the past weeks, thus I left a notice on their user talk page. I addressed the concerns raised here and in the previous topic. Please continue to have an eye on the contributions of this user, since the ongoing removal of imported from Wikimedia project (P143) references is not acceptable. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
His attitude will see him get blocked very soon, methinks. Jared Preston (talk) 23:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

user:Raul garcia baltazar and user:Jose garcia land same problematic editing

Hi. Would a Spanish speaker please assist this user who is here under two different user names.
12:38 (User creation log) . . User account Jose garcia land (talk | contribs) was created by Raul garcia baltazar (talk | contribs) ‎

Their editing is problematic. I will AGF and not call it vandalism, and just confused.

Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:36, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppeteering

According to Wikidata:Alternate accounts, "Alternate accounts must be publicly declared, and the userpages of the alternate accounts must link back to the main account in an obvious fashion. [...]

If alternate accounts do not link to the main account, they are not considered legitimate alternate accounts.

Handling illegitimate accounts

[...]

Illegitimate alternate accounts are almost always indefinitely blocked."

Some accounts from en:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Winterysteppe are/were active on Wikidata:

At least some of these accounts were used in paralel at some point in time and there took place contributions insersection. As they does not comply with the relevant guideline it may be necessary to block them [excepting the main account]. You may also want to watch their and their bot' contributions from time to time. --XXN, 15:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

More abuses (on test.wikidata)

On test.wikidata MechQuester removed Rschen's comment on Addshore's talk page. Trying to undo this change I've just discovered that he blocked me[7] (for some reason I didn't received any e-mail regarding this block). Besides me I see he blocked a few other users but at least a part of them were unblocked. Cc @Addshore, Rschen7754: XXN, 17:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand why this topic gets raised without pinging @MechQuester:. ChristianKl (talk) 18:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
MechQuester was desysopped and the damage was undone. [8] --Rschen7754 18:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Note that I have been fixing some of the errors as raised by @XXN:. If that is unacceptable, then I'll leave the edits there. MechQuester (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't excuse the blatant misuse of your sysop access there.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
ok then. I'll get to the errors here on wikidata. Someday but not in the near future. MechQuester (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@MechQuester: please continue edits as you would normally do.
We don't need to test blocking or account creation.
Issues aren't severe IMO, but we shouldn't spend too much time on test.wikidata.org. d1g (talk) 21:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I just removed a couple more blocks on testwiki that could have caused an issue (the blocking of the selenium test user & IP address) ·addshore· talk to me! 13:58, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Protection request

Please protect Q179658. This high-profile team has recently been in the middle of a court case regarding its name. As a result, many misinformed people (both about the court case and Wikidata concepts) keep removing and changing claims as well as labels.

I will leave the level and duration of the protection to the sysop that will perform it.Andrei Stroe (talk) 18:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

done --Pasleim (talk) 01:18, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Request protection for Barack Obama (Q76)

Please semi-protect Barack Obama (Q76) again - popular theme, frequent IP vandalism from various IP addresses/vandal users. Please consider longer protection this time.--Jklamo (talk) 01:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

done --Pasleim (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

72.25.24.183

Please block the IP 72.25.24.183 as the user using it keeps adding nonsense values for duration (P2047) and SoundCloud ID (P3040) and seems to ignore all messages and warnings left on their talk page. They also have a long history of disruptive editing (as can be seen from their talk page and the block log). Thanks, --Sintakso (talk) 11:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done - Mbch331 (talk) 11:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

User:Pearlcommons434

Please block the quickstatements bot temporarily. The user whose name titles this section has four large jobs just making blank items with "Le croissant magnifique!" in them. Mahir256 (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2017 (UTC) (Also @Magnus Manske: so he can disable those jobs himself. Mahir256 (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2017 (UTC))

✓ Done @Magnus Manske: Please let us know when it's safe to unblock the bot. Who can delete those items? There's nearly 2000 that I can see, so we presumably need a bot. - Nikki (talk) 21:24, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
All 1933 item should be deleted now, I don’t see more items by this user. There is Special:Nuke for such cases. —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Hope we can avoid this in the future. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! I didn't know about that page. - Nikki (talk) 11:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Again we see that not all users should have access to use these automatic tools. It's almost the same like giving a bot flag for everyone in Wikipedia. Stryn (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah. I think QuickStatements and other mass-editing tools shouldn't allow edits from non-autoconfirmed users. I can't see any reason for brand new users who aren't familiar with editing here to be using tools for mass editing. We can always set the confirmed flag manually if necessary (e.g. for existing users who want to create a separate flooder account). - Nikki (talk) 11:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
What happens when you press the "nuke" button
@Nikki: when looking at someone's contributions, you will see:
  • User contributions / For Example (talk | block | block log | uploads | logs | deleted user contributions | user rights management | mass delete | filter log)
A handy button every now and then. – Jared Preston (talk) 12:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Can someone block Pearlcommons434 as well?
--- Jura 13:51, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Apparently this batch and the three preceding it in number were added by the same user. Scouring the bot's contributions isn't helping to find out what those jobs were. Mahir256 (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jura1: blocking the user can not stop him from using the tool, see here--GZWDer (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't think this is a factor in assessing that users contributions nor something that should be discussed in a public forum.
--- Jura 08:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
@Stryn: "mass-editing tools shouldn't allow edits from non-autoconfirmed users"
  1. tools could be provided with beginner-friendly interface (QS is opposite of this)
  2. reduced tools could be suggested for everyone, more complex should be "hidden" d1g (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I did not write what you quoted. But thanks for your comment. Stryn (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
True, should ping @Nikki: d1g (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it would be counter-productive for mass-editing tools to have a beginner-friendly interface. Beginners should not be trying to do large numbers of edits before they know how to do small numbers of edits. Regarding #2: Which suggestions are you referring to? - Nikki (talk) 22:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge two

Q22950306 (Spanish for Land registrar) should be merged into Q30571034 I think Akerbeltz (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

You can also do it by yourself, see Help:Merge. Stryn (talk) 17:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done Akerbeltz (talk) 10:50, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

VIP with three items

Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China (Q13557549) is the whole events , Monument to the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (Q1090800) is a memorial building of Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China (Q13557549) , Battle of Chamdo (Q1773984) is a campaign in the Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China (Q13557549). Some anonymous always vandalise these items , so I ask for protection to stop these. --Cwek (talk) 07:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

And I check a ip editor on these page which is 49.214.246.183, and found that the IP range was be blocked because of the using by a active vandal on zh.wp. --Cwek (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy:, Can I ask for help? --Cwek (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Sure. Unfortunately, I don't understand at all what happens in these items, thus I ping zh-speaking admins according to Wikidata:List of administrators. @Lakokat, Jianhui67, Eurodyne, Zolo: please have a look at this request. —MisterSynergy (talk) 05:50, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately, my proficiency in Chinese is not enough to understand what is going on here. eurodyne (talk) 06:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
There are be vandalised. The IP user changes links of zh.wp and break the relation of articles and items. --Cwek (talk) 06:14, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
He does as like：
But All are wrong, as I said on the top. And These are not the first time, so I need to protect for these items. Just do that, Thanks. --Cwek (talk) 06:20, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
I have restricted edits of the three items to auto-confirmed users for 3 months. --Zolo (talk) 08:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Somehow sitelinks on some of these items seem to cover different aspects. So they seem unsuitable to be placed on the same item.
--- Jura 09:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Maybe. Because some articles does not split the content more particular, so it looks like a mixture. Nonetheless, There still can be linked according to the title and the main point. --Cwek (talk) 01:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

User:PokestarFan

This user (PokestarFan) has been blocked on several projects for incompetence. He recently was the subject at Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2017/06#User:PokestarFan and he got another chance. The user keeps messing up, wasting people's time and using Wikidata as a playground (latest instance). I blocked this user for an indefinite time. If you agree or disagree with this block, you should voice your opinion here. Multichill (talk) 13:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the block. He shows no sign of understanding why he keeps being told to stop doing things, why his requests for bot permissions keep being rejected, etc, so I don't see any hope for improvement. - Nikki (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree as well, although I had preferred a finite block for, say, 2 years. Lymantria (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I suggest finite block with exact length needed to discuss scientific descriptions. d1g (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
We shouldn't spend our time, but maybe they will learn mistakes eventually.
Their edits on 25 July 2017 weren't horribly damaging Wikidata: 1 2.
I have to agree on incompetence for some tasks, but they also didn't perform questionable edits during 2017/06 discussion.
Maybe it was reasonable move, not compliance with admin requests.
I think this is incompetence, but I also expect more interactive discussions from PokestarFan side: e.g. shouldn't make mass edits to scholarly article (Q13442814) until we understand how to process.
Not suggesting even more new ideas, but waiting for community and listening advices first d1g (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I understand that some users are rather tired, but they did clean up as @XXN: requested during 2017/06 discussion 1 2. d1g (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify for my understanding, D1gggg: Are you supporting the general edit behavior of User:PokestarFan? --Succu (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Hm, I think I skipped of this message:
"I will stop doing mass petscans" 19:31, 1 June 2017
Anyway, I would give them second chance if they would communicate d1g (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll take your answer as Yes. --Succu (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
He doesn't consistently clean up when asked though. I ended up cleaning up Topic:Trc72i9vsr1n9kws myself after waiting several weeks, there are still edits from Topic:Trdt453sh4iprcr1 which haven't been fixed, and on Topic:Tumukggaehv2g7bz, XXN had to finish cleaning it up. - Nikki (talk) 08:04, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I support the permanent block as well, and I was one of the admins who gave PokestarFan another chance in the other topic linked by Multichill. Now who's volunteering to tidy up the latest problematic batch? We have ~30.000 items (times out occasionally) with Spanish descriptions articulo cientifico on items about scientific articles. As an es-0 speaker I cannot really tell much about these descriptions, yet I heard that there is a problem with diacritics. Anyone able to help here? —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: we shouldn't fix just 30K items, but all - this should be discussed in WD:CHAT. d1g (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Probably Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData/Source, M.D./Tests needs some wider attention. --Succu (talk) 22:21, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
You can make that query much faster by not using filter, try this version instead. :) - Nikki (talk) 08:24, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, of course :-) Unfortunately, Pasleim’s descriptioner returns 0 results for both queries. There is QuickStatements as well, maybe I could look at it this evening if no bot operator want to do this repair job. —MisterSynergy (talk) 08:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 Support the block, at least for some period of time until there is some sign this user has matured. However I'm a little disappointed in what happened here - this seemed to be somebody who wanted to be helpful but didn't really know how to do that. Would they have benefited from some sort of guidance, perhaps to start by helping with patrolling (I often find obvious vandalism from months in the past so this is definitely somewhere we as a community need help). How can we be more welcoming to people with a lot of energy but not much competence, that could put that energy to good use on simple things? Or maybe that would have been hopeless here, I don't really know. Anyway I agree this latest incident was a step too far and deserves a block. ArthurPSmith (talk) 04:40, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Regarding this latest instance, I had already suggested to him last month that he should ask someone who speaks the language before adding labels/descriptions in other languages, but he doesn't seem to have done that. We keep saying that he shouldn't run a bot, but he seems determined to. For example, he asked about running a bot on project chat, created his 5th request for bot permissions and when the answer in both places was "no", he ran the bot under his user account instead which got him blocked for a day. A few days later, he was asking on project chat again about running a bot and had been making test edits for the task he wanted to do. I don't know how we can help someone improve and find ways to put their energy to good use without making a mess when they seem to ignore or immediately forget everything we say. - Nikki (talk) 08:04, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 Support the indefinite block too. And @MisterSynergy: the correct Spanish spelling would be artículo científico, which was already included as a Spanish label in scholarly article (Q13442814). Too bad for the waste of time and resources. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 07:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 Support I will gladly support a global block that is proposed if his insolent behavior continues, but Arthur's comment reminded me that even very recently, he was not an adult, after all. (Note that the item he created for himself had a link to his Reddit account of the same name.) Mahir256 (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
(Incidentally, can someone remove the Herald rule(s) subscribing him to all Wikidata-related tasks on Phabricator? If you respond off Phabricator, @AKlapper (WMF):. Mahir256 (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2017 (UTC))
@Mahir256: Feel free to file a task in Phabricator under the Phabricator project tag if some Herald rule changes are wanted for some reason. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
phab:T172039. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 Support ChristianKl (talk) 06:38, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 Comment An occasional global ban requester has now requested a global ban that @MechQuester: is challenging. Mahir256 (talk) 02:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
actually, I just notified the community, as I read per the page policy. MechQuester (talk) 02:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

WikEd help page

Please add en:User:Cacycle/wikEd help to wikEd (Q11049057). As with user boxes, this seems like a reasonable exception to the error that popped up when I tried to add the link myself (which was:

Could not save due to an error.

The save has failed.

Warning: Per Wikidata notability policy adding links to userpages or userspace is not allowed. Therefore this edit cannot be completed. If you think you are correct, contact an administrator.

--Izno (talk) 11:47, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

fr:Utilisateur:Leag/wikEd aide should probably also be added. --Izno (talk) 11:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Poke. This is either an easy request to reject or perform. --Izno (talk) 12:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Is any admin in there? --Izno (talk) 02:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
@Izno:, technically speaking, these two are in the user namespace and thus are not eligible for inclusion. I can still include them, but is there any chance we can move them to the more appropriate space in the projects?--Ymblanter (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Ymblanter: We include user boxes in the user space last I checked; I don't think script documentation linkage is an unreasonable extension. That said, Cacycle (talk • contribs • logs), what do you think about the en.WP version? I can't speak for the French version, but maybe Snipre (talk • contribs • logs) can help with that. --Izno (talk) 15:34, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I will wait until we see whether they can be moved to a more appropriate namespace; if nothing happens within a couple of days I will just add the links to the item.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done--Ymblanter (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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