Wikidata:Property proposal/A Utah Flora ID

A Utah Flora ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science

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Description	identifier for a species, subspecies, or variety in A Utah Flora
Represents	A Utah Flora (Q113639346)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item; taxon (Q16521)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Adoxa moschatellina (Q34169) → 17841
Example 2	Amaranthus retroflexus (Q157663) → 106
Example 3	Atriplex canescens var. gigantea (Q24691984) → 74218
Example 4	Ptelea trifoliata subsp. pallida (Q50917478) → 11791
Example 5	Cyperus esculentus (Q1165724) → 873
Example 6	Persicaria punctata (Q15597559) → 8
Example 7	Suaeda suffrutescens (Q110570570) → 30
Planned use	will add to newly created items or existing items being edited
Number of IDs in source	3958
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://vplants.org/portal/taxa/index.php?taxauthid=1&taxon=$1&cl=4230
Applicable "stated in"-value	A Utah Flora (Q113639346)

Motivation

A Utah Flora (Q113639346) is the online version of the print field guide of the same name, and includes common names, photographs, and descriptions of 3265 species found in Utah, and a total of 3958 (including subspecies and varieties). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 21:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support --Emwille (talk) 02:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment I don't understand how this is different from Wikidata:Property proposal/vPlants ID as it appears to be the same formatter URL. Can you please clarify the difference? Thanks --Dhx1 (talk) 02:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Dhx1 The site appears to be linking to the vPlants database, for the subset of plants in that database that are included in A Utah Flora. I think having this as a separate property, even thought it links to vPlants, could be useful because it would provide a way to identify Utah plants specifically. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 17:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Oppose There is nothing particularly relevant to Utah at vPlants. The print field guide is also represented online at the Intermountain Region Herbarium Network (I would expect IRHN to be more likely to have Utah relevant information). The lists at vPlants and IRHN are almost completely identical (I couldn't spot any differences, but vPlants reports 3958 total taxa to IRHN with 3956), and the identifiers for taxa are apparently the same on both sites. I think the IDs are likely unique to Symbiota (Q113639939). I'd support a property for Symbiota IDs, but I'm not sure if there is a way to access Symbiota information that is agnostic to Symbiota's system of portals, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Wikidata already has multiple properties for different Symbiota portals. Plantdrew (talk) 01:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Question Are the identifiers for vPlants and Utah Flora different even though they resolve to the same place? Would users ever search using for A Utah Flora identifiers without knowing the formatter URL and corresponding vPlants identifier? If people might use these identifiers, it seems to me they would be worthwhile to add. --Crystal Clements, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 19:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)