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Vanitas

Hello Valentina

Please comment your edits for Vanitas. The link to the main article in the german wp was missed since 2009 (see discussion there). Vanitas and Vanitas still life are not the same. The much shorter articles in the other languages prefer the meaning "vanitas still life", but they mention the other arts like music (en) oder literature (norsk bokmal). – It is much more a topic than a genre. This is right.

Thank you for your understanding and best regards --Summ (talk) 20:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

As I see for example in the English or the Spanish articles, the "genre" category ist just one. It is included, because there is no special article for "vanitas still life". --Summ (talk) 21:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, better like this. But, I don't really see the reason for two different labels. At my point of view there is vanitas as general concept or as a type of allegories. There could be two possible "genres" in this context: "vanitas still life" for a genre of the visual arts in the 17th century, and "Ubi sunt" for a literary genre of the middle ages. Both should be an addition to a more general article "vanitas". --Summ (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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Doppelte Items

Hello Valentina, du kannst dir einiges an Arbeit ersparen, wenn du vor der Erstellung eines neuen Datenblatts kurz einen IMDb-Check durchführst ->

SELECT ?item WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P345 "tt0110912"
}

Try it!

Setz zwischen die Anführungszeichen die IMDb-ID und klick auf "RUN". Dieser Tool habe ich auf der Benutzerseite von Queryzo gefunden. Grüße -- MovieFex (talk) 08:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

• Danke! Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:01, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

IMDb entfernen - auch Artikel anpassen

Hello Valentina, du hast aus einigen Items die IMDb entfernt, aber den dazugehörigen Artikel nicht angepasst. Das sollte so nicht gemacht werden. Wenn du die dazugehörigen Artikel in den jeweiligen Wikis nicht korrigierst, lass die IMDb's hier bei Wikidata drin und lösch sie nicht raus. Die werden meist bei irgendwelchen Wartungslisten aufgeführt, z.B. bei Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P345 und kann dann alles (inklusiv zugehörigen Artikel) irgendwann gefixt werden. So lange die falschen IMDb-IDs in den Wiki-Artikeln bestehen bleiben, tauchen die hier wieder auf, irgend ein Bot (z.B. EdgarsBot) liest das wieder aus. -- MovieFex (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

• ok Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

• Nachtrag: Gerade hab ich gesehen, dass du bei Kim Jeong-min eine IMDb herabgestuft hast. Das sollte nicht gemacht werden -> Help:Ranking/de. Wenn beide IMDbs enthalten sind ist das Absicht, denn dann sind sie in der oben angegebenen Wartungsliste. Irgendwann führt das jemand in der Moviebase zusammen, nur welche ID am Ende übrigbleibt ist nicht klar, vergleiche hierzu z.B. -> Hasan Seyidbeyli. Wenn die Einträge dann zusammengeführt wurden, kann der nicht mehr benötigte Eintrag gelöscht werden. Dazu muss aber auch eine Korrektur des Wikipedia-Artikels vorgenommen werden -> Änderung bei azwiki, die Fundstelle im Datenblatt sollte demnacht auch neu angegegeben werden -> neue Fundstelle. -- MovieFex (talk) 07:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Ja, das verstehe ich. Allerdings war ich mir in diesem Fall ziemlich sicher, dass die zweite imdb (nm1740242) falsch ist - sie bezieht sich auf Kim Jeong-min (Q12588550), nicht auf Kim Jung-min (Q15125241). Deshalb der herabgestufte Rang. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Nachtrag: Nachdem ich mir die Seite (nm1740242) heute erneut angeschaut habe, habe ich nun aber auch den Eindruck, dass in der imdb die beiden Personen (Kim Jeong-min (Q12588550) und Kim Jung-min (Q15125241)) miteinander vermischt wurden. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hier gabs einen Bearbeitungskonflikt, ich bin deiner Meinung, da wurde was vermischt. Hier der Stand meiner Recherche vor deiner Antwort:

(...) Tja, da sieht man wieder, die IMDb ist nicht perfekt, aber vielleicht stimmt die IMDb und der Eintrag in der koreanischen Wiki ist falsch -> Kim Jeong-min (* 1968). Hierzu vergleiche die Filmografie, z.B. Eintrage bei 2006 -> Project Makeover, über die englische Seite bekommst du den Link zur koreanischen Filmdatenbank KMDb, hier unter Cast Kim Jeong-min, und das deckt sich mit dem zweiten IMDb-Eintrag. Wo jetzt der Fehler drin steckt weiß ich auch nicht, möglicherweise wurden da ein paar Sachen vermischt. Für den Regisseur gäbe es in der KMDB auch was. Über kreuz und quer Dark Forrest KMDB und Dark Forrest IMDb kommt man zu dem Eintrag, wie du es angegeben hast. Ich lösch die zweite IMDb-ID bei dem 1968er wieder raus, da soll sich ein koreanischsprechender Agent drum kümmern. -- MovieFex (talk) 08:49, 23 February 2017 (UTC) PS: Ich seh gerade, du hast nochwas gefunden. Also machs so, wie du es für richtig hälst. --MovieFex (talk) 08:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Ja, wobei ich mich hier an der englischsprachigen Wikipedia orientiert habe - wie zuverlässig das ist, weiß ich auch nicht. Du hast wohl recht - da sollte sich jemand darum kümmern, der sich mit koreanischen Filmen auskennt. -- Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Zuverlässig?! ;) --MovieFex (talk) 09:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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Item to be delete

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Rat-Man

Hi, why did you split Rat-Man in Q28859773 and Q15325? The pages deal about both the character and the series because they are topics tightly connected. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 16:13, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the topics are tightly connected, but there's a difference between a fictional character appearing in a comic and a comic. E.g. Fictional characters have a gender, comics don't. (It's weird to say that a comic is male). When I assigned the pages to the wikidata items I thought about what the page is mainly about. And there it seemed to me the Italian page is mainly about the character, the English one mainly about the comic. --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 21:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I know what the differences are :-) but I can assure you that all the pages deal about the same topic. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 07:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The en-Article is certainly about the comic series Rat-Man (Q15325) (of course it also deals with its title character, but it's just one segment in this article besides other characters). The la-Article deals with the character Rat-Man (Q28859773). I related the it-Article to the character regarding the first paragraph and the infobox, but if you think it's rather about the comic series, best move sitelinks. If you just want to connect the en-Article with the it-Article, there is a possibility to do that manually on the Wikipedia-page, if I remember right.

I think it's a rather bad idea to mix up different entity types (e.g. characters and comics) in one item as this leads either to logical inconsistencies or a lack of expressiveness; you would either end up with comics having a gender, an interpreter etc., with characters consisting of comics or with items without informations. Above that you can't really use this items to make statements in other items (e.g indicating the roles in performance works or the comic series a comic belongs to). --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Fictional ghosts/gods/vampires/...

Valentina, I am very skeptic about these your creations. Making them you indirectly state that there are real ghosts/gods/vampire and so on... But even descriptions in most of these (old) classes mention "fictional" or "mythic/legendary", so they were already fictional, there no need to create fictional "fictional" classes! So I suppose you should revert things like: vampires, ghosts and other supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294). And merge new classes with old (the same) classes. What are supernatural being (Q28855038) which are not supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294)?.. --Infovarius (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I see how this can be misunderstood. But merging fictional deity (Q17624054) and deity (Q178885) would unnecessarily force a specific world view on the categorization of entitites that is not uncontroversial (You would either have to say that God in Christianity (Q825), Tetragrammaton (Q105173) and Allah (Q234801) don't exist - opposed by many people - or that some characters from fictional works are really assumed to exist - opposed by probably all people). I don't see any problem with categorizing some gods as hypothetical entity (Q24199478) and just refraining from declaring them as existent or not existent.

The reason I created those other classes is that there is the same difference between Brown Lady of Raynham Hall (Q991048) and Casper the Friendly Ghost (Q1442531), between ghoul (Q208446) and lich (Q1165928) as between Tetragrammaton (Q105173) and Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363). The former are/were believed in, or at least part of a specific worldview and sometimes even object of investigation (e.g. of Occult "Science"), the latter not.

I think many people make a difference between supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294) and supernatural being (Q28855038) on an instance level - the best examples are instances of deity (Q178885) and instances of fictional deity (Q17624054), again (see above). Regarding a discrimination between folklore and fiction you have the two different lists list of fictional vampires (Q6619795) and list of vampires in folklore and mythology (Q6644558). My last example regarding the folklore-fiction-distinction is the discrimination between legendary figure (Q13002315) (subclass of hypothetical entity (Q24199478)) and fictional character (Q95074) (subclass of fictional entity (Q14897293)).

What do you think about relabeling those items "[dubious entity] in a work of fiction" to avoid the connotation that there are real ghosts/gods/vampires? Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, such relabeling is highly welcomed. But I am not sure that the boundary between your 2 lines is always clear. You say that creatures from fiction are not believed in. But! God in Christianity (Q825) was once a character from some popular and only then it became popular and became believed in (and not by everybody). Similar processes happen now in mass culture. I am sure that Cthulhu (Q12038) (obviously a character) is now believed in by many people. And I can imagine that some people (e.g. Tolkien fandom (Q1963025)) believe in Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363) and its descendants. Where lies the boundary between traditional hypothetical entity (Q24199478) and fictional character (Q95074)? May be it's only a matter of time? --Infovarius (talk) 14:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You're right, some entities sit on the borderline between hypothetical entity (Q24199478) and fictional character (Q95074). A good example is Rudolph Fentz (Q673181), a fictional character from a short story that became later an urban legend. I don't mind to classify those cases as both legendary figure (Q13002315) and fictional character (Q95074).

But I don't think that the borders are that fragile as you suggest: If a character has a creator (as e.g. Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363)) and comes from a novel without any claim of truth this is definitely a fictional character that is not assumed to exist. I really doubt that a cultural/religious group believes in Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363) as a god of our world but if that would be the case (and you would want to express this in wikidata properly) I would suggest an additional item because mixing up an item about a character created by somebody with an item about a god being the creator of everything is really weird. Of course you can think of people believing in fictional worlds as real parallel universes ... but this would not affect a categorization in real entities (of our world), assumed entities (of our world) and fictional entities (if you want so: real in other worlds).

As far as I know nobody claims to be the creator of God in Christianity (Q825) as a fictional character and moreover the book this character originates in (if it should originate in this book and the book is not an expression of far older tales and traditions) has a claim of truth. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok. But the concept "Claims of truth" can be fragile. Are you sure that all authors directly claims that all characters are fictional? Of course, there are a number of such claims, but not all. I must check but I doubt that Cthulhu (Q12038) was directly named as fictional ("claim"). --Infovarius (talk) 11:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Q27067781

Hi,

Thank you for your edits on Geppetto (Q27067781) but it seems that mixed up a little bit Geppetto and Pinocchio. I removed a self-reference link (which was obviously wrong) but can you check the other statements?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, you're right. All statements should be correct, now. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Historias, Historiografía

Historias. Please. Can you arrange for the link to appear in the article? Thank you. --Xabier (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't know how to do this, either. I passed the question to Project chat -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@Xabier:

based on Handling sitelinks overlapping multiple items we could solve this problem for now by creating a new page in the Spanish Wikipedia, linking this to historiography (Q30277550) and setting a redirect to Historiografía on this new page.

Here the steps one by one:

1. Create a new page in the Spanish Wikipedia (I will call it "Historiografía (género)" - but use the title you think is appropriate)
2. link "Historiografía (género)" to historiography (Q30277550)
3. On "Historiografía (género)" set a redirect to Historiografía

Do you see any problems with this approach? I would give this a try. Would you do this (you are more involved with the Spanish Wikipedia than I am)? If you have any more questions, just ask. Thank you, Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Self-referencing

Hi,

Me again checking to clean the self-referencing, could you take a look at this claim:

⟨ Beauty and the Beast (Q2454384)    ⟩ part of (P361) ⟨ Beauty and the Beast (Q2454384)    ⟩

Thanks in advance.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Q28889497

Hello Valintina. MY name is Darlie Brewster. It seems you are creating a page on me and I would like you to remove it. Thanks. 104.34.202.79 10:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I answered at Talk:Q28889497 - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

No actually you didn't. I am that person and what you have posted has nothing to do The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Exactly how does my being transgender and using dead names figure in? This is harassment. 104.34.202.79 17:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Obviously I've been insensitive in this matter. I surely didn't want to harass you and I'm embarrassed that I did so unintentionally.

As to your question what this has to do with The Hunchback of Notre Dame I will answer in two parts:

1) Why is there an item about Darlie Brewster (independent from the information on it): To name a person as a contributor to a work (in this case The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Q213787) and Esmeralda (Q27702142)) this person needs an own item. If the item about Darlie Brewster is removed, she/you can't be named as a contributor. The removal of a relevant contributor (and I think that a character animator on one of the main characters is a relevant contributor) would lead to incomplete, flawed information. Thatswhy there is a need for an item about Darlie Brewster.

2) Why is the gender and birth name relevant?: For her/your contribution to The Hunchback of Notre Dame obviously not. I added these informations without consideration because names and gender are considered core information about a person in Wikidata. In the credits for the Hunchback of Notre Dame you have been named by your birth name, so I added this in addition to your actual name. Your actual name has a preferred rank meaning that your birth name is not valid any more. I'm not keen on keeping your birth name and will remove it, as this really seems to be hurtful to you. I added "transgender female" as your gender as this is what I found in the referenced interview [1]. It didn't occur to me that it could be an insult, at least not more than saying that another person is male or female. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I understand what you are thinking but credits are irrelevant in this. The link to IMDB is under my name, not my old name. That is all anyone needs to know as there is no accounting office to report to. Bad enough IMDB is simply a bunch of fan boys with standards even they don't understand and have been thorn in this communities side forever. No one wants to be known as "TRANSGENDER" . It is not on my license , my passport or any of my essential documents. Why would anyone think that was desirable in ANY way? If this was you I'm sure you would understand. I am in a country where discrimination, violence and hatred is rampant. Where Neo Nazis and white supremacists march proudly for our hate filled president. A president who just called for the firing of 15,000 transgender military service people. Where transgender people are 60% unemployed. Where they suffer 16X the violence rate and turn up dead on peoples lawns. 104.34.202.79 15:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for putting this in perspective. From now on I will be definitely more considerate in similar situations. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Q12379

Hi, Valentina. subject has role (P2868) is intended to be used as a qualifier. --Infovarius (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Infovarius: It can be used as a qualifier, but I don't know what you mean with "is intended to be used as a qualifier" - the proposal says nothing about it ([2]). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

May be to delete P31=Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608) from this property then? --Infovarius (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know. The English description of Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608) says "property that can be used as a part of a claim that says something about the specific claim". This seems fitting to me. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

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Trio

I don't know why you reverted Trio. It's - to my knowledge - more often a piece than a group, - look at all the Minuet and Trio in Classical music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Gerda Arendt I reverted because there is aleady an own item for the trio as a piece: trio (Q29596700) (composition for three musicians). musical trio (Q281643) should be only used for ensembles. So Il Volo (Q177732) would be a musical trio (Q281643) and Trio for Flute, Viola and Cello (Q3539351) a trio (Q29596700). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I wish that the English article would not confuse the two, - that should link to both wikidata items then but how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, yes, quite a lot of Wikipedias cover both concepts in a single article. There is no possibility to link from one article to two items directly, but you could link from a wikidata item to a redirect, if you think this would be useful (see Help:Handling_sitelinks_overlapping_multiple_items#Interwikis). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, but I have too many things already that I WANT to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

composed musical work (Q207628) vs musical work (Q2188189)

Hello, Valentina. Explain me please how do you understand the difference between them? --Infovarius (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Infovarius:

• composed musical work (Q207628) - a piece of (consciously created) music (just music)
• musical work (Q2188189) - a work that heavily involves musical composition (esp. audio recordings, but also a ballet)

I agree with your revert in melody (a melody can be improvised) but I don't agree with incidental music (Q1147752). Are there examples of incidental music (Q1147752) that are not musical compositions? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know for sure. I just suppose that for theatre one can use not only composed music but any set of sounds, even natural. --Infovarius (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I see. I just wonder if pure background sounds (like sound effect (Q768807)) are called "incidental music" (or even a musical work). But I think it does not hurt to leave this statement as it is (the item, on the other hand, should probably be split up - "incidental music" seems to be a lot more inclusive than "Schauspielmusik" or "musique de scène") - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Anna Karenina (Q4066531)

Hi, since literary character (Q3658341) is a subclass of fictional human (Q15632617), it's pointless to state that Anna Karenina is both. The former implies the latter. P.a.a (talk) 10:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello P.a.a, as far as I see literary character (Q3658341) is a subclass of fictional character (Q95074), not of fictional human (Q15632617). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

You're right, somehow I lost track between my browser tabs P.a.a (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Iron Maiden

Please, do not add the musicians to the Iron Maiden's albums data. The albums were recorded by Iron Maiden, not by Iron Maiden featuring Bruce Dickinson, Steve Harris, etc. Progenie (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Progenie, this line-up information is quite relevant and should be recorded somehow at Wikidata. I'm not sure about your problem with performer (P175) (is it some infobox-issue?), but what do you think about using contributor to the creative work or subject (P767) instead? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to move the information to contributor to the creative work or subject (P767). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Q27965845

I'm not sure why you added all those links to Zdravljica (Q27965845). That item was for a different Slovene hymn. Look at the lyrics on the Wikisource link. It's not the same hymn. Please reverse your changes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

The item Zdravljica (Q169215) is a poem by Prešeren which became the Slovene national anthem. The poem and anthem are the same work. But Zdravljica (Q27965845) is a different hymn with different lyrics. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, the anthem is not the same as the poem - the anthem only uses the seventh strophe of the poem. That is the difference between the wikisource-texts at Zdravljica (Q169215)[3] and Zdravljica (Q27965845)[4] - the second shows the seventh strophe of the first. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

That is not what the article at the Slovene Wikipedia says. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I found the following information at the English article about the anthem (en:Anthem_of_the_Slovene_nation): "The question whether the entire Zdravljica or only its seventh stanza constitutes the Slovenian national anthem, remains unresolved. Whereas the Constitution of Slovenia determines the title of the poem, the Act about the anthem specifically determines its seventh stanza. It has been argued that the act contradicts the constitution and that the question should be resolved by the Slovenian Constitutional Court.[1][2] In practice, mostly only the seventh stanza is sung and reproduced as the national anthem." - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

pinging EncycloPetey - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

In any case, the odd item out is the one on the Lithuanian Wikisource. All the WP articles discuss both the poem and the anthem that derives from it. If you think a split is desirable, then there would need to be three WD items. (1) for items about just the poem, (2) for items about just the anthem, and (3) for items about both the poem and the anthem. However, the WP articles all seem to fall into group (3), so I don't think a split is necessary. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

the English WP has an own item about the anthem (Zdravljica (Q15932006). I moved the sitelinks there. I don't know what to do with the Lithuanian wikisource, but let's leave it as it is. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Pokemon

Regarding Meowth (Q877650)... It is quite a discovery for me! I am quite unaware of this universe but is it really not a single character? --Infovarius (talk) 14:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Infovarius, there is also a single character called "Meowth" being of the species of Meowth but most info on the item Meowth (Q877650) (and most articles) are about the species. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

about villains and heros…

You remain the hero of your own story even when you become the villain of someone else's. 😉 -Shisma (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Shisma: and including all antagonists on the side of the villain and viewpoint characters on the side of the protagonist/hero there are 11 characters with antagonistic and protagonistic appearances in wikidata, at the moment. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

even though I'm not sure about those "protagonists" of multi-player-games like Super Smash Brother, etc. It would be better to express this using player character (Q1062345), probably. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Replacing object has role (P3831) with narrative role (P5800).

since you have been engaged in the proposal discussion. Do you think we should just replace all of these object has role (P3831)-statements with narrative role (P5800)? --Shisma (talk) 16:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

SELECT DISTINCT ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel ?roleLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?narrative wdt:P674 ?characters.
  ?narrative p:P674 ?characterStatement.
  ?characterStatement pq:P3831 ?role.
}

Try it!

Yes, I think we should, Shisma. I found a small mistake in your SPARQL-query (with your query you get for every work every possible combination of every character mentioned via P674 with every character role mentioned via P3831). With the following query you get only those combinations actually mentioned at P674. (This reduces the size of the result set from 3998 results to 822 results (for 123 works)).

SELECT DISTINCT ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel ?roleLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?narrative p:P674 ?characterStatement.
  ?characterStatement ps:P674 ?characters; pq:P3831 ?role.
}
ORDER BY ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel

Try it!

I also think we should replace all subject has role (P2868)-statements (at characters) used to indicate the narrative role/character type with narrative role (P5800).

SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel ?role ?roleLabel
WHERE 
{
  ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q14897293; p:P2868 ?st.
  ?st ps:P2868 ?role.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
ORDER BY ?item

Try it!

I would take care of the qualifiers today and of the direct claims (via subject has role (P2868)) later . - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

The first Query only yielded 8 results for me. It would seem like you are already done ^^--Shisma (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• I think some of these edits were mistakes, such as the change of object has role (P3831) player character (Q1062345) to use narrative role (P5800). player character (Q1062345) is not about its position in the narrative. --Yair rand (talk) 18:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Yair rand, I included them because they were also mentioned at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Narrative_role (third example), but I see that this is debatable. narrative role (P5800) is intended to be of quite wide scope (including also character types like damsel in distress) and it seemed to me that player character (Q1062345) is comparable to viewpoint character (Q15841935). But I see that player character (Q1062345) can also be seen just under the aspect of game mechanics. Should I move those statements refering to player character (Q1062345) back to object has role (P3831)? (pinging also Shisma) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)

Bringing this to Wikidata talk:WikiProject Video games, hope that's okay. --Yair rand (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

What isn't vandalism?

• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Vandalism#What_isn't_vandalism?

50.254.21.213 12:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the link, but what do you want to say? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Ilya (Q1096462) und Ilya (Q31440338)

Hallo! Würden Sie bitte diese Bearbeitung kommentieren? Die beiden Elemente sind an sich zu mergen. Ich habe da derweilen Wikimedia duplicated page (Q17362920) gesetzt, weil das Mergen mit Special:MergeItems dort rein technisch schwierig ist. --eugrus (talk) 18:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hallo eugrus, ich habe Wikimedia duplicated page (Q17362920) entfernt, weil die beiden Objekte nach den Regeln von Wikidata:WikiProject_Names keine Duplikate sind. Ilya (Q31440338) repräsentiert die kyrillische Version "Илья", Ilya (Q1096462) die lateinische Version "Ilya" (beim letzeren Objekt müssten die Labels vereinheitlicht werden, aber es ist am Wert der Eigenschaft native label (P1705) ersichtlich). Dass "Илья" und "Ilya" (und "Ilja" und "Ilia") verschiedene Versionen desselben Namens sind, wird über said to be the same as (P460) ausgedrückt. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Carmelo Imperio (Q42385387)

Hi, i dont understand this edit, care to explain?. (why would anyone mistake Carmelo Imperio (Q42385387) with Georg Peter Luck (Q55676263)?. Regards!--Zeroth (talk) 18:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zeroth, seemingly they are virtual twins (they have identical birth and death dates). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification Valentina.Anitnelav. I've never heard of that term :). I've updated the criteria used to clarify that point. Regards!--Zeroth (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ljudmila/Ljudmyla

The reason I deleted the alternative spelling in the label is that this column is meant to represent a valid first name, not a list of possible transcriptions: There is no German first name "Ljudmila/Ljudmyla", so it doesn't make sense to put this in the label. That's what the "also known as" / "alias" column is for (where all transcriptions are already mentioned). --Tkarcher (talk) 09:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Tkarcher, this item represents the valid first name Людмила, which is transkribed differently depending on language (e.g. Russian or Ukrainian). Have a look at the Russian labels of Paul (Q4925623). -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Frankenstein's Aunt

Hi, Just to not doing reorganisation in the same time :

• Hannah Frankenstein (Q59349299) is the fictional human (Q15632617)
• Frankenstein's Aunt (Q3825107) is the television series (Q5398426)
• Frankenstein's Aunt (Q5490672) is the first book (Q571)
• so Q327936 is the literary trilogy (Q13593966) and other instance of (P31) and wrong claims should be moved ?

— eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 12:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi eru, there does not seem to be a literary trilogy (Q13593966) called "Frankenstein's aunt" (there seem to be only two books with the same title character...). I just requested Q327936's deletion: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q327936

Ok good, it's was just why I was merged them. — eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 12:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Removing series ordinal from Harry Potter?

Hi, can you describe your reasoning for removing the series ordinal from all the Harry Potter entries? Thanks. -- Fuzheado (talk) 10:03, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Fuzheado, series ordinal (P1545) should be used as a qualifier. It is already present at part of the series (P179). -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:08, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the explanation. Sounds like the right way to go. -- Fuzheado (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Cinderella and Aschenputtel

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q60558727&type=revision&diff=832324266&oldid=832320763

That change moves it from a data item with interwiki links to one that does not have any. The way to do that is to make a German entry for the original (with the interwiki links) and put the german name as the title of Q11841

Hi RaboKarbakian, Cinderella (Q11841) is about a fairy tale (type), it is not a closed work in the strict sense (there does not exist THE Cinderella, but many, the canonicals being the one by Basile, Perrault and Grimm). Cinderella (Q60558727) is an edition of a translation of the Grimm's version. For that reason I moved the link. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

The interwiki links are not about the personality type though. The better thing to do is to make the personality type its own wikipedia page and the personality type stuff would be yet another version of the original fairy tale. It is really about the interwiki links. If you really want to sort through the interwiki links and separate out the least links (like if the majority is about the psychology of cinderella and not about the fairy tale, then move the ones that are about the fairy tale over) But I think you will find that the majority of the links are about the tale and the publication and not about the chick.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

RaboKarbakian, I'm not speaking about the character. This has an own page: Cinderella (Q13685096).

I'm speaking about the circumstances that Cinderella (Q11841) is not about a work, but about an abstract story contained in many works. There exist many versions of this story, the most famous versions being the one by Giambattista Basile (The Cinderella Cat (Q3822509), the one by Charles Perrault (Cinderella (Q2944224)) and the Brothers Grimm (Cinderella (Q2944224). Cinderella (Q60558727) is a translation of the Grimm's version (not the one of Perrault or the one of Basile). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)

If you are able to sort through this stuff, I will not get in your way. The version page for the Lang stuff was the thing I have been skipping. I actually prefer to be an amateur at fairy tales. Not just fairy tales, everything, even...  :) --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

cast member (P161) -> voice actor (P725)

thx for this. can you also set cast member (P161) = no value? Queryzo (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Queryzo: is there a way to do this via Quickstatements? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

it was reported in Wikidata weekly summary #327 this may work with "novalue". Queryzo (talk) 19:28, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, it seems to work with csv-commands. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

how did you used this? "novalue" adds the string while novalue adds nothing at all. Queryzo (talk) 07:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

@Queryzo: It worked for me only with csv commands (not with V1 commands). There I would use the format (with imdb)
qid,P345
Q934282,novalue
Qxxxx,novalue
...
-Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!

Noticed you've been doing some great work on compositions/recordings lately, just wanted to say thanks! I hope I haven't gotten in your way, I can get a bit excited when I see someone doing quality music edits, doesn't happen that often :-) Moebeus (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Moebeus:, thanks for your improvements! I had a look at your edits and have two questions:

1. Why do you add instance of (P31) musical work (Q2188189) in addition to song (Q7366)? song (Q7366) is already a subclass of musical work (Q2188189), so this does not seem really necessary to me.
2. Why do you remove genre (P136) statements from song items? I see that there may be performances of a song in different genres, but it seems to me that most songs are themselves written in the spririt of a certain genre/movement, not just performed. I would conceptualize genre-shifts in performances of a song in terms of performances of a modification of the original song (I tend to additionally add modified version of (P5059), as done at Foxy Lady (Q62033582)). Do you mind keeping those genre-statements also at the song-item?

I'll probably make some alterations to the production dates at the tracks of Three Imaginary Boys (Q1415138), as the production of a song is not limited to its recording and I only considered the recording dates, but apart from that I will leave them alone - if you feel like improving them you won't get in my way :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Hola!

1. You're not the first person to ask that, see here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Gray#%22musical_work%22_%2F_%22song%22
2. Unfortunately there is no clear rule here, but it's no secret that I firmly believe genre does not belong on composition, but rather on the interpretation (recording). See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Usy4w251krvh7833 for some background here. I would add that unless you could get the genre from the sheet music (as would be the case with some waltzes, tangos, blues, etc), then setting genre on the composition should be avoided. About the "spirit in which it was written", I fear that's a criteria a bit too loose / subjective and moreover disregards the importance of a producer and the other band members' role when recording. BUT! All that said I realize that until we reach a consensus this is just my opinion, and I promise not to remove any more of your genre-statements ;)

Have a great day! Moebeus (talk) 11:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

subclass of quality

Hi mis(tres)s Anitnelav,

Since you reverted one of my edits on quality: what better solution do you suggest for following issue?

---

value requires statement constraint Help Discuss

entity should have a statement subclass of.

---

Warm greetings & many salutations, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  13:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello KlaasZ4usV,

this is an issue with entity (Q35120) - as entity (Q35120) should be the root element of the ontology, it can't be a subclass of any other element, so every direct subclass of entity (Q35120) (also object (Q488383)) shows this constraint violation. As it is not a mandatory constraint I don't think one should worry too much about it. If it should bother you, you can add an exception to the constraint at subclass of (P279).

Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, you're probably right. The warning didn't bother me per se. What bothered me much more that you reverted without explanation. The reason you promptly supplied upon request.
Thank you very much indeed & kind regards, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  16:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@KlaasZ4usV: It is of little importance but your account that I reverted without explanation is not completely true: You removed a statement without explanation (I understand that this is difficult without the possibility to give edit summaries for simple edits) and without a replacement. I expressed my confusion about this (and my reason for reverting) in my edit summary. Have a nice week :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Obviously I missed something, due to as we call in Dutch de aard van het beestje. Many times I overlook some details and (re)act [far] too fast. Sorry, Valentina.Anitnelav. Indeed this project (unlike e.g. Wikipedia) lacks a good way to enter a great edit summary. Hope the developers find a way to improve the Wikidata code at this point. Freundliche Gruesse aus Italien,  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

How should I do?

The screenshot (No Lie (Q28225520)), Musixmatch track ID (P6742), single (Q134556). "Society Person" Peppa Pig (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello "Society Person" Peppa.

If you just want to add Musixmatch track ID (P6742) without creating a new item: Just add it to the single (Q134556)-item and ignore the constraint. The constraint is not mandatory.

There is also a "diligent" way in case you want to model song-items and its relationship to releases: You can create a new item for the song (I already did it for "No Lie" at No Lie (Q63639213)) and move the appropriate statements there.- Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Q11425

Hi. About animation (Q11425), it shouldn't be subclass of (P279)filmmaking (Q932586). It doesn't make any sense to consider animation strictly as cinematic productions. The same goes for anime (Q1107)subclass of (P279)animated film (Q202866). Please note that the condition "all instances of these items are instances of those items" is not met.--Sakretsu (talk) 13:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I just opened a topic at Talk:Q1107, so let's continue our discussion there :). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Press conferences and depicts (P180) / main subject (P921)

Hi ! I think that for press conferences there is the same distinction as with visual works: main subject (P921) should be about the main subject of the speech/artwork, while depicts (P180) is for less central but still present elements. For instance if during a speech there is a long development about AI and a phrase "as I already said in my previous speech", for me the other speech is depicts (P180) while AI is main subject (P921). What do you think ? Léna (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Léna, to link to the previous speech I would rather use cites work (P2860). Do you have another example where you think some content of a speech deserves mention where main subject (P921) would not be fitting?

I never thought about describing speeches and other political documents, so my thoughts are rather initial, but I don't think that everything present in a speech should be enumerated in Wikidata, probably just the central points. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

My initial motivation for created items about speeches was to create requests about recurring topics. So, even if something is "not important" in a given speech, the fact that it is talked over and over is important. So for the speeches of Emmanuel Macron (Q3052772) you can generate a bubble chart or even a map of everything present in a speech. Of secondary importance, he also tends to cite a lot of classical texts, and I think it would be interesting to have a list of them, even if they might not be that important for a given item. Léna (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Léna: I see. In this case it is better to use depicts (P180). For the classical texts cited I would use cites work (P2860), just to make it a bit more structured. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 06:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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Love is a Song and Love Is a Song

Hello, the items Q15832799 and Q47482573 are about the same topic, only the latter has more descriptions in other languages. Can these items be merged? Thank you. 162.206.202.148 22:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for noticing. It seems that Little April Shower (Q47482573) was originally about another song (Little April Shower)[5] and got repurposed later. I just restored the "Little April Shower"-version and now I think they should not be merged. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about Don (Q77191171)

Hi,

I've got two questions about the item Don (Q77191171) :

• why put the rank deprecated to the occupation (P106) value? (again it seems strange or at least not as this rank is intended according to Help:Ranking#Deprecated_rank, am I missing something?)
• why put instance of (P31) = animal actor (Q52688389), this is strange (I does not really seems to be a good value for P31) and redundant with the occupation (P106) value?

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 13:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi VIGNERON, I put those two values there due to constraints on the property cast member (P161) (value-type constraint (Q21510865) and value-requires-statement constraint (Q21510864)). I only created the item to model the Razzie nominations, I found no informations about the actual horse. I'm rather sceptical if this horse could be called an "actor" (I could add a reason for deprectaion "not been able to confirm this claim (Q21655367)"). instance of (P31) = animal actor (Q52688389) was suggested to me by the property constraints. I would not mind just deleting it and expanding the scope of cast member (P161) to include all animals or adding Don (Q77191171) as an exception. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok I see now. Thanks for the explanation.

For the first point, ok, let keep it that way.

For the second point, yes I think the constraint should be improved to include all animals.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Merge "water spirit (Q7973762)" and "water sprite (Q1936706)"?

Hi Valentina! I saw that you are active here on the topic of folklore spirits. Maybe you could have a look on what I think is a conflict between "water spirit" and "water sprite". (Link) I'm not familiar with wikidata and don't really know how to do a complex merge like that myself. Thanks in advance. --Irrwichtel (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Irrwichtel: I'm glad that you are aware of those two. I let those two alone as the English article mentions also deities (in the section about African folklore). I'm not familiar at all with African folklore, but I'm a bit hesitant to mix up deities and sprites and I'm not sure if the term "sprite" is appropriate for these beings from African folklore. Two suggestions:

• If you are mostly interested in interwiki-links there is a possibility to add redirects to wikidata-items. Unfortunately the term "water sprite" in English wikipedia is currently a redirect to the section Water Sprite" of the article en:Sprite (folklore), not to en:Water spirit. I added it to water spirit (Q1936706). You find instructions here: Help:Handling_sitelinks_overlapping_multiple_items#Interwikis.
• If you still think these concepts are basically the same and can be merged, you have to remove the said to be the same as (P460) statement on both items; this is probably causing the conflict. Additionally you have to remove the sitelink to the "water sprite" redirect again. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 06:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer! Yes, I‘m also unsure about the exact classification of the african deities and so on. The terminology for legendary beings like that is really confused, not just in wikipedia but in academic writing as well. My own discipline would use a cautious term like "intermediary beings associated with water" or the like. But right now the english wikipedia alone has at least the three entries en:Water spirit, en:Water Sprite and en:List of water deities. As far as I can see, the distinction between spirit and sprite seems to exist only in english (as a regional vernacular? as an archaism?). I have just started rewriting some folklore articles on german wikipedia and there is a lot of overlap/confusion to be cleaned up as well. Things like this probably have to be reworked by informed users on each language wiki individually, before we could try and find really appropriate wikidata items. And yes, I was mostly interested in interwiki-links. Now that you set a link between german and english, I think we can leave it like this for now. I think I'll just add a "See also" to en:water spirit into en:sprite and people can go from there. --Irrwichtel (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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Love your work

This is the rare time where I (or anyone, really) starts with an expression of gratitude and doesn't awkwardly segue into criticism in the next paragraph.

I think your work on the Bechtel Test (and similar) is especially useful. That's the sort of data that just wants to be sliced every which way.

Your notes on the references for Carl Maria von Weber (Q154812) are also spectacular. We should use them as "Property Examples", it might shame others into referencing the data they add.

Anyway, thanks again --Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 03:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Media Diversity Tests

Thank you for your work on expanding the visibility and use of the Mako Mori Test and the Vito Russo Test, as well as your work on the Bechdel Test.

As these are beginning to be used in academia and media criticism more often, I am planning to create items for the Riz Test, DuVernay Test (qualitative), Shukla Test/Apu Test and the Latif Test. And maybe others later on, as the visibility of these tests start becoming more apparent in news or academia.

Is there a property where the criteria can be added, as some tests have longer criteria lists that may not fit into the description? Or, is there a better way to model them?

@Wallacegromit1: Nice idea. Unfortunately I have no idea how to best add the criteria to the test items. Until there is a better idea I would add all criteria to the discussion page, so that everybody can look up which criteria have to be fulfilled.

Just an additional thought that comes to my mind: For works that fail such a test with more criteria it would be interesting to be able to get the criteria it fails. I would probably create items for the criteria (e.g. "at least two characters", "not presented as irrationally angry", etc.). Then I would add them to statements has characteristic (P1552) <fails the ... test> via criterion used (P1013). This way you could get an overview how many films fail the Riz test (for example) because they 1) are talking bout, the victim of, or the perpetrator of terrorism, 2) are presented as irrationally angry, 3) are superstitious, culturally backwards or anti-modern ...

As to the Riz test I would also think about creating an item "Riz test not applicable" as this is only applicable to works that feature at least one Muslim character. To have this item would make it easier to monitor the completeness of statements as to the Riz test.

What do you think about starting a project to monitor the activity and document the approaches taken. (Maybe "Wikiproject Media Diversity"?). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I got an idea how to add the criteria at least to items <passes the ... test>; has characteristic (P1552) could be used. So one would have, for example, <passes the Riz Test> has characteristic (P1552) <Muslim character not presented as irrationally angry>, <Muslim character not talking about, the victim of, or the perpetrator of terrorism>, ... - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Wikiproject Media Representation? The title may need some discussion. I love the idea of a Wikiproject, as we would be easily able to monitor and discuss best practice, and inclusion of new tests. We can also add the disclaimer on the page about the 'Tests', which should be used more as 'Tools' for statistical analysis, and just because a Movie passes or fails, does not mean they are bad representations automatically. This is why the Mako Mori test was created as a compliment/alternative. The Vito Russo Test has a brilliant disclaimer that we can modify to encompass all tests.

2. Is there a way to say that a movie fails one test (Example: Riz Test)), but still is considered good or appropriate representation (Example: My Name Is Khan or Four Lions), the referencing might be tricky. The DuVernay Test is specifically qualitative, and not a binary Yes/No for this reason, but wonder how to use a qualitative test on Wikidata without biases. Or do we just wait for other tests to be created within the same subject/topic like the Mako Mori, to give multiple perspectives? We may be able to create our own tests/criteria, but we should include media, representation/diversity and data experts to see what are we missing or what data they may require or may be useful to find biases and trends. However, I would personally prefer only using tests/criteria that already exist, and in the Wikiproject, it could be a topic of discussion! Open to suggestions.

3. I love the use of criterion used (P1013) as a way to specify the criteria. But we may need better modelling as the data set might start to get bigger (mostly, thanks to you!). We can discuss this in the Wikiproject, and if any specific Properties need to be created for these Tests. And Agree to the <passes the Riz Test> has characteristic (P1552) <Muslim character not presented as irrationally angry>, <Muslim character not talking about, the victim of, or the perpetrator of terrorism>, etc...

4. "test not applicable" is a great idea for all tests that have a prerequisite, before the criteria even begin to apply.

5. Apologies for all the questions, as I was hoping more eyes could be on this before more data is added in this area. I would also be mostly working on Non-English movies from the Global South (with some exceptions), as they seem to be highly underrepresented in these statistics, and may offer some interesting trends, especially when seen over decades or particular film movements (like Generations of Chinese Cinema, Hong Kong New Wave, or the Indian Middle Cinema).

6. Let me know what you think of the above and then we can start building the Wikiproject. And just as an FYI, as of this moment;

4856 movies in Wikidata pass the Bechdel Test

659 movies in Wikidata pass the Reverse Bechdel Test

606 movies in Wikidata pass the Mako Mori Test

123 movies in Wikidata pass the Vito Russo Test

@Wallacegromit1:1. Agreed

2.a (Is there a way to say that a movie fails one test (Example: Riz Test)), but still is considered good or appropriate representation). I guess not really. You already mentioned it in point 1: "just because a Movie [...] fails, does not mean they are bad representations automatically". As to some criteria in the Riz Test: I guess you could take into consideration the main subject of the film. When a film about terrorism fails the Riz Test just because of criterium 1 it is not a "failure" of the film per se (in the end it is about terrorism). If, in the broader picture, Muslim characters appear mostly in films about terrorism and/or fail criterium 1 this is a sign of missing diversity in the media generally.

2.b I'm not sure if I understand the DuVernay Test completely: There are 5 questions and each question answered with "yes" gives you one point, so that you can have a score of 1/5 if one criterium is fulfilled and 5/5 if all critera. Is that right? If so, I could imagine to use the following option: We create an item <score in the DuVernay Test>. Then we can use has characteristic (P1552) <score in the DuVernay Test> review score (P444) 1/5 (and then maybe use criterion used (P1013) for the criteria).

3. I agree with the need of better modelling and especially documentation of the model. criterion used (P1013) might be used in a lot of ways.

5. No need to apologize, I like your questions and your idea to include more tests. I'm also not sure about every approach I've taken and it will be nice to have a project and other people to discuss that. Some films are actually hard to "rate" in terms of these tests and we should document how to mark those statements as unsure or that a film/book/... hardly passes the test.

6. I would start to set up the project page for "Wikiproject Media Representation" tomorrow, if you don't beat me to it. :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Perfect!

2.a Agreed. (sign of missing diversity in the media generally.) Well said!

2.b Will discuss further in the Wikiproject.

5. Unsure or Ambiguous can be options, as some films/books/etc... are too on the line.

6. Yes, Please take the lead! I have never created a Wikiproject, and would love some guidance.

@Wallacegromit1: Sorry, I won't manage to do it this weekend. But during the next week certainly. I will ping you then. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav: I have created WikiProject Media Representation! The page still requires a lot of work, and am happy for you to make any major or minor changes. If you have any questions or concerns about any aspect of the page, please let me know.

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Can you please see the Feldman Test Update in the discussion, and reply as soon as possible please!

Gundermann (Film)

Hallo, ist es sinnvoll, bei einem biografischen Film einen Test für fiktive Werke durchzuführen? -- Gruß, 32X (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@32X:. Auch wenn Gundermann auf der Lebensgeschichte einer realen Person basiert, handelt es sich um ein fiktionales Werk - es erzählt die Lebensgeschichte in fiktionalisierter Form und erhebt keinen Anspruch auf Wahrheit aller gezeigten Einzelheiten (z.B. können Szenen aus dramaturgischen Gründen ausgeschmückt werden, andere Einzelheiten werden weggelassen, der Hauptdarsteller liefert seine Interpretation des Charakters der Hauptfigur, etc.). Dies kann zum Beispiel geschehen, um größere Themen herauszuarbeiten. Dass solch eine Fiktionalisierung bei Gundermann stattgefunden hat, wird zum Beispiel in diesem Artikel hervorhoben: Andreas Dresen über ostdeutsche Widersprüche (Zitat: "Dresen arbeitete mehr als zwölf Jahre an dem Film und drehte an Originalschauplätzen in Hoyerswerda und Umgebung. In dem Ergebnis seiner Recherchen vermischt er Realität und Fiktion. „Gundermann“ ist damit weniger Biopic einer früh gestorbenen Kultfigur und mehr Film über das widersprüchliche Leben in der DDR." Dass alle Charaktere und Ereignisse frei erfunden sind, ist nicht die Voraussetzung für die Fiktionalität eines Werkes. (siehe auch de:Filmbiografie und de:Fiktion, insbesondere die Absätze de:Fiktion#Fiktion_im_Verhältnis_zu_Gattungen_und_Genres und de:Fiktion#Erfundenheit könnten relevant sein). Solange es sich nicht um Dokumentationen handelt, sind diese Tests auch auf Filmbiographien anwendbar. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 22:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Article request

Hello, can you please write an article in the German Wikipedia about the 1995 film Gordy? Either that, or know who to ask to write about it in German? de:Gordy (Film) was once created and later deleted as too short. Also, de:Fuchsspur is a short article as well. It needs more content. Thank you. Cat~idwiki (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Q104378399

Hi. I wonder if dubious (Q104378399) is not basically the same as disputed (Q18912752). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 13:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Tinker Bell: Yes, I see. For most statement in Wikidata disputed (Q18912752) is probably not useful at all. I created this item with media representation tests in mind for cases in which an editor is unsure about an evaluation but not aware of any discussion. The problem with disputed (Q18912752) is that it implies that there is one party that says the statement is true and another party that says that the statement is false (one could use statement disputed by (P1310)/statement supported by (P3680). I would like to make a difference between cases where there is actual discussion about an evaluation and cases where an editor is unsure (or where an evaluation is marked as unsure in external databases, like Bechdel Test Movie List (Q45150204). In this section I tried to express the differences between the qualifiers as used by our Media Representation project: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Media_Representation#Qualifiers_for_Art_der_Behauptung_(P5102). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

[WMF Board of Trustees - Call for feedback: Community Board seats] Meetings with the Wikidata community

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is organizing a call for feedback about community selection processes between February 1 and March 14. While the Wikimedia Foundation and the movement have grown about five times in the past ten years, the Board’s structure and processes have remained basically the same. As the Board is designed today, we have a problem of capacity, performance, and lack of representation of the movement’s diversity. Our current processes to select individual volunteer and affiliate seats have some limitations. Direct elections tend to favor candidates from the leading language communities, regardless of how relevant their skills and experience might be in serving as a Board member, or contributing to the ability of the Board to perform its specific responsibilities. It is also a fact that the current processes have favored volunteers from North America and Western Europe. In the upcoming months, we need to renew three community seats and appoint three more community members in the new seats. This call for feedback is to see what processes can we all collaboratively design to promote and choose candidates that represent our movement and are prepared with the experience, skills, and insight to perform as trustees?

In this regard, two rounds of feedback meetings are being hosted to collect feedback from the Wikidata community. Two rounds are being hosted with the same agenda, to accomodate people from various time zones across the globe. We will be discussing ideas proposed by the Board and the community to address the above mentioned problems. Please sign-up according to whatever is most comfortable to you. You are welcome to participate in both as well!

• Round 1 - Feb 24, 4:00 pm UTC
• Round 2 - Mar 3, 4:00 am UTC
• Sign-up and meeting details: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees/Call for feedback: Community Board seats/Conversations/Wikidata

Also, please share this with other volunteers who might be interested in this. Let me know if you have any questions. KCVelaga (WMF), 14:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Serhii (Q41527049)

Вітаю. Чому було скасовані мої редагування? Перепрошую, не знаю англійської. --Юрко Градовський (talk) 08:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Юрко Градовський: Вітаю. У Вікіданих кожен рядок повинен мати різний елемент. Сергій (Serhii (Q41527049)) — не Сергей (Sergey (Q12902079)), не Sergei (Sergei (Q18946921), і не Sergej (Sergej (Q18946707)) (Для конкретнішої інформації, див Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/uk). На жаль, я не знаю української. Можливо, Infovarius (російською мовою) може допомогти з подальшими питаннями. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Але ж це одна сутність - Сергій, Сергей, Sergiusz, Сяргей і т.д.--Юрко Градовський (talk) 12:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Юрко Градовський: по сути вроде бы да, одно имя, т.к. имеет общее происхождение. Но даже в пределах страны бывают различия в написании, и в одном разделе Википедии может оказаться несколько статей - о разных вариантах "одного" имени. Поэтому пришлось разработать систему (см. указанную Валентиной ссылку) "одно написание - один элемент", которой сейчас придерживаемся. Но конечно возникают проблемы: 1) интервики между похожими именами приходится разделять; 2) не всегда ясно, какой из вариантов давать человеку (например, советскому человеку, родившемуся в украинском городе и живущем в Москве, какое?). Сможете придумать систему получше - предлагайте. Пока такая, хорошая или плохая. --Infovarius (talk) 13:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in the interview study with Wikidata editors

Dear Valentina.Anitnelav,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King’s College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research that develops a personalized recommendation system to suggest Wikidata items for the editors based on their interests and preferences. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I would love to talk with you to know about your current ways to choose the items you work on in Wikidata and understand the factors that might influence such a decision. Your cooperation will give us valuable insights into building a recommender system that can help improve your editing experience.

Participation is completely voluntary. You have the option to withdraw at any time. Your data will be processed under the terms of UK data protection law (including the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR) and the Data Protection Act 2018). The information and data that you provide will remain confidential; it will only be stored on the password-protected computer of the researchers. We will use the results anonymized (?) to provide insights into the practices of the editors in item selection processes for editing and publish the results of the study to a research venue. If you decide to take part, we will ask you to sign a consent form, and you will be given a copy of this consent form to keep.

If you’re interested in participating and have 15-20 minutes to chat (I promise to keep the time!), please either contact me at kholoudsaa@gmail.com or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmmFHaiB20nK14wrQJgfrA18PtmdagyeRib3xGtvzkdn3Lgw/viewform?usp=sf_link with your choice of the times that work for you.

I’ll follow up with you to figure out what method is the best way for us to connect.

Please contact me using the email mentioned above if you have any questions or require more information about this project.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoud

Yiannis/Giannis Kanakis

Hi! I just came across Giannis Kanakis (Q84595443) and Giannis Kanakis (Q83493503) (and also Q106624533, which I've already merged with the latter one). Information about him (them?) is scarse, but I'm almost convinced that they are the same person. This biography of Γιάννης Κανάκης lists works that can be found split between the two IMDb accounts ([6] & [7]. Since you created both items, I thought it would be good to ask if you have any objection to them being merged. Regards, —capmo (talk) 23:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Capmo: Yes, please merge, the list you provided is convincing. Thank you! - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Ukr. Бондаренко is not russian Бондаренко etc.

Hi! Bitte tun Sie dies nicht mehr. Weil Sie nicht berücksichtigt haben, dass diese Nachnamen im Ukrainischen und Russischen unterschiedlich gelesen werden. Dass in der polnischen Sprache Kinder Nachnamen anders schreiben. Entschuldigung für die Google-Übersetzung. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Wenn Sie ähnliche Fehler mit anderen ukrainischen Nachnamen gemacht haben, korrigieren Sie diese bitte. Danke. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

zum Beispiel wird dieser Nachname gleich geschrieben, klingt aber anders. Ungefähr, Ukrainisch. Dozenko, und ross. Dazenka. Also muss es zwei verschiedene elemente geben. Auf Russisch klingt es ungefähr so, wie es auf Weißrussisch geschrieben wird. Grüß --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

@Бучач-Львів: I'm sorry to anwer in English but this way also other people may follow: According to the current basic principles each name string should get an own item, not every pronounciation. So there is also only one item for "Paul": Paul (Q12668666). Otherwise there would be (at least!) three items for "Paul" in different languages. I brought this up at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Names. If we proceed by your rules, the basic principles should be changed, I think. But this should be discussed in a broader group, not between us two. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

das sind nicht meine prinzipien. Der Fall mit dem Nachnamen Bondarenko i Bondarjenko hat gezeigt, dass dieses Projekt falsche Informationen verbreitet. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

link to the basic principles of Wikiproject Names (in Ukrainian): Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/uk - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Head Coach - P....

Guten Tag! I have to ask you. In sports, there is the concept of "head coach". Now on Wikidata there is Q3246315 - Head Coach. There is also a P286 - a trainer. How to make a Property ... with a name "head coach"? Thanks for the help. Grüß --Бучач-Львів (talk) 09:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Бучач-Львів: Доброго дня! I'm not sure if I understand correctly. head coach (P286) does already have the label "head coach" (in English). Do you want to change the label? Or do you want to create a new property? New properties have to be proposed at Wikidata:Property_proposal. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Clermont FilmFest

Hi,

I see that you created 1999 Clermont FilmFest (Q78463371) and 2014 Clermont FilmFest (Q84148512). Is there a reason why you created only these two? (and only these two) and did you use a particular source? (for the context, I'm planning to create all the others editions of this event).

Cdlt, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: I edit items related to the European Film Awards (Q223740). I think I created these when I created items for short films nominated for the European Film Awards that where screened there. So: yes, please create all other editions :). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC) (@VIGNERON en résidence: just to make sure the right account gets the ping - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Valentina.Anitnelav,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender system that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our system based on your previous edits.

Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study will start in late January 2022 or early February 2022, and it should take no more than 30 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link

I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about the study, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa

In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 21:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

AOO3

Which tags should be qualities and which tags should be objects? We should probably agree on that to avoid trouble later @Valentina.Anitnelav: --Trade (talk) 22:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: I'm sorry - I noticed too late that you already did some work on this and then I was too absorbed with mapping tags to Wikidata-items to contact you... I should have taken a break and discuss this with you. But to get to the point: I think of using object has role (P3831) with all categories (fandom tag, additional tag, character tag, relationship tag) and has characteristic (P1552) with common tag or synonymous tag. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I noticed you used 'character tag' as a 'has quality' on Sibyl System (Q110541439). --Trade (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: This was probably a mistake. But "additional tag" should also use object has role (P3831), I think. It is another tag type / tag category besides character tag and fandom tag. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:46, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you make a batch that moves "additional tag" to object has role (P3831)? --Trade (talk) 23:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

One thought about relationship tags: I think there are no suitable wikidata items for relationships (and they are not notable). Maybe one could add them to both involved items using together with (P1706) as an additional qualifier. E.g. "Sherlock Holmes/John Watson" should be added to both Sherlock Holmes (Q4653) and Dr. John Watson (Q187349) with together with (P1706) Dr. John Watson (Q187349) / together with (P1706) Sherlock Holmes (Q4653). The distinct-values constraint would need to be remove, then, maybe replaced by a complex constraint. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I like that idea. --Trade (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

part of the series on fictional characters

The violation says that we should not use 'part of the series' if the item also has a statement for 'instance of' with value literary. character. Do you think it makes sense? Item is SCP-939 (Q110914372) --Trade (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: In my opinion present in work (P1441) suffices. I would just delete 'part of the series' on SCP-939 (Q110914372) (unless there is a good reason for keeping it which I don't know). Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Dolls vs. fictional characters

I have noticed that there are a lot of items about Q168658 that are running into constraint issues due to properties only means for use with instances of fictional characters. How should we handle this modeling issues? Split the items?

--Trade (talk) 23:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: Thinking of items like Barbie (Q167447) they should be probably split up (one item for the character and one item for the class of puppets). In other cases I think it suffices to just replace doll (Q168658) with puppet character (Q89349965) as you did with Kermit the Frog (Q1107971) (there is probably more than one puppet "impersonating" Kermit, but I'm not sure if they're really notable). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts on the modeling of Barbie (Q167447) and The Marvelous World of Shani (Q107675961)? More specifically the P31/P279. I'm clueless but i gave it a try. --Trade (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: This is really tricky. One could also think about using brand (P1716). I think this begs for an own WikiProject "Toys". But for now your approach is ok, I guess. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: I'm going to put this on project chat. I think this task could be also interesting for other people apart from fiction modelling. Thanks for pointing it out! - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

'web series character'

Would you mind if i create a seperate item dedicated to web series characters? Currently it's an alias of Q15773317 which bothers me. --Trade (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: I don't mind. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ismailov (Q109935277) and Ismailov (Q4204090)

Hello Valentina.Anitnelav, there are 2 subjects here. Can you take a look at it? Maybe they should be merged. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 15:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lotje: Hello Lotje, the reason for having these two items is principle two of the basic principles of Wikidata Project Names (Wikidata:WikiProject_Names): There should be one item for each string. Ismailov (Q109935277) represents Исмаилов (transcribed as Ismailov according to English BGN/PCGN transcription, as Ismailow according to German Duden transcription), Ismailov (Q4204090) Ismailov. Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Valentina Lotje (talk) 20:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Umsortierungschaos bei Gerechtigkeit

Du hast gerade alles aus dem bisherigen justice (Q5167661) entfernt und einem imho vollkommen sinnfrei neu aufgemachten justice (Q112041972) zugeordnet. Was sollte das? Wenn da fast alles zusammengehört, dann gehört das wenige, was anders ist, unter ein neues Q, nicht alles, was bislang da stand. Das ist doch vollkommener Unsinn,. das derart kompliziert zu machen. Und überhaupt: Wo wurde das wie abgesprochen, dass das derart aufgeteilt werden soll? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 14:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Sänger: Hallo, zunächst: ich bin noch gar nicht fertig. Dann: das Problem mit dem alten Objekt ist, dass es 2019 umfunktioniert wurde von einem allgemeinen ethischen Prinzip ("jeder bekommt, was er verdient") zu "correct application of law as opposed to arbitrariness"/"korrekte Anwendung vom Gesetz im Unterschied zur Willkür" [[8]]. Diese Definition ist viel enger als der Begriff, der auf den meisten Seiten verwendet werden. Ich habe um der Stabilität der Wikidata-Ids willen das neue Objekt eröffnet für den allgemeineren Begriff der Gerechtigkeit, der von den meisten Wikipedia-Artikeln beschrieben wird. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Das Objekt wird in den WP-Artikeln beschrieben, wenn das nicht mit der WD-Beschreibung übereinstimmt, muss eben die WD-Beschreibung angepasst werden. Jetzt wurden schlicht alle WP-Artikel, die ja den tatsächlichen Inhalt des Items umfassend beschreiben, einem neuen Item zugeschustert, ds ist irgendwie komplett falsch rum. WD folgt WP, nicht andersrum.

Wo wurde denn da was "umfunktioniert"? Und was soll "umfunktionieren" in diesem Zusammenhang bedeuten? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 15:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Oder anders gefragt: Wer hat da hier 2019 einen Fehler gemacht, und das Objekt, das in den WP-Artikel beschrieben wi99rd, mit einer falschen Beschreibung oder so versehen? Das muss dann halt korrigiert werden, indem der Edit revertiert wird. Wo ist da das Problem? Und wenn für das mit dem Fehler beschriebene Item ein Q entstehen sollte, dann kann das anschließen gerne neu angelegt werden. So wird nur vollkommen merkbefreit die Beo in den ganzen WPs zugespammt, weil hier irgendein Unsinn neu geschaffen wurde. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 15:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Sänger: "Das muss dann halt korrigiert werden, indem der Edit revertiert wird". Das war auch meine erste Idee (wäre ja auch weniger Arbeit für mich). Das Problem ist allerdings, dass Wikidata eben nicht nur von Wikipedia verwendet wird, sondern auch von anderen Seiten, die jetzt auf das Item justice (Q5167661) in der aktuellen Bedeutung verweisen. Aus diesem Grund gab es irgendwann einmal die Richtlinie, dass bei Konflikten der aktuelle Zustand des Wikidata-Objekts gilt (und nicht der Zustand, in dem es sich vor 4 Jahren befand) und ggf. Wikipedia-Sitelinks bewegt werden müssen. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Ich sehe in den Interwikilinks jetzt nur noch ein ein paar Sachen bei WN, und ein Mal WV, im alten Q, das wäre doch deutlich weniger Aufwand gewesen, oder? Und irgendwas außerhalb des Wikiversums geht ist ja nun sehr egal, die haben uns gefälligst zu folgen, nicht andersherum. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 15:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Und ja, ganz viele WP-Links stellen den aktuellen Zustand dar, nicht irgendwelche zufälligen Zuordnungen hier, die irgendwer mal irgendwann fehlerhaft vorgenommen hat. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 15:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Und noch eins: Ich habe diese Seite auf der Beo, da muss nicht immer ein neuer Ping her. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 15:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Tja, vom Aufwand her wäre das sicherlich weniger Arbeit, aber wie geschrieben: im anderen Fall hätte ich die Befürchtung, dass jemand ein Problem mit "repurposing" hat. Ich könnte die Objekte jetzt wieder zusammenführen, die Beschreibungen anpassen und hoffen, dass niemand ein Problem damit hat. Solange ich dann nicht in die Schere komme zwischen jemandem, der gegen ein neues Objekt ist und jemandem, der dies als Form von repurposing sieht, ist das okay für mich. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Moment. Wenn es 30 WP-Artikel gibt die alle das gleiche sagen, nur hier irgendwer irgendwann mal irgendwelchen Blödsinn gemacht hat, dann sind die 30 Artikel korrekt, Punkt. Die Artikel, die hier über WD verinterwikilinkt wurden beschreiben das, was ist. WD hat dem zu folgen. Wo sollte da das Problem sein? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 19:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Und wenn irgendwer mal einen Artikel falsch zuordnet, und daraus dann falsche Schlüsse zieht, dann gehört das revertiert, nicht als neues Evangelium genommen und alles andere wegsortiert. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 19:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Und außerdem sollten wir dann Klaas van Buiten mal anpingen, damit er da was zu sagen kann, wenn er das verzapft hat, immerhin ist er de-2, und sollte hier mitlesen können. Der niederländische Artikel, der zu dem Item gehört hatte zu der Zeit, war auch das entsprechende zu de:Gerechtigkeit, nämlich nl:Rechtvaardigheid. Es war also auch in seiner Muttersprache klar, um was das Item ging.

Als hij op z'n Nederlands antwoord, dan zou hij het doen, ik denk, ik zou het wel lezen kunnen. Engels mag oog, denk ik. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 19:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

If you don't mind I prefer to answer in English. If you want to redefine a word, in this case justice search in available dictionaries e.g. OmegaWiki: http://www.omegawiki.org/DefinedMeaning:justice_(4576)
If you disagree with the definition here or there your first move should better be to edit the talkPage and don't (re)move anything. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  09:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Klaas van Buiten: I did not redefine a word - I created justice (Q112041972) as a new item for the broader concept of justice, the old item with the old description of a narrower concept of justice still exists. I just changed statements at the old item to be in accordance with the item description. An item for the broader concept of justice is needed in Wikidata for items like social justice (Q264892) where justice does not mean just "correct application of the law" (apart from issues with ideas of just or unjust laws). Then I moved sitelinks to the broader definition of justice as most of the pages are about this broader definition (some of them are actually about the narrower one, but I still left them together as I did not want to cause a tumult in Wikipedias by separating articles from the English article). The description in the new item follows 1) The introduction in the English article and 2) A core definition presented in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Q824553) "The most plausible candidate for a core definition comes from the Institutes of Justinian, a codification of Roman Law from the sixth century AD, where justice is defined as ‘the constant and perpetual will to render to each his due’."[9]. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

The enWP is in no way the master-WP, it's just one among others.

And definitions from outside the Wikiverse can be used, if they fit the articles, that are put together under this item. If all articles match one definition, that's the only valid definition of that item. WD has to follow that definition, and may be has to sort some other stuff in another way. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 13:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion this general description fits the content of most articles quite nicely. This is the broadest definition of justice I could find and most articles are meant to capture justice as a general, vague, controversial concept; as a concept relevant to ethics, philosophy, jurisdiction, legislation and possibly other fields (not jurisdiction alone). Which definition, do you think, fits better the sum of all Wikipedia articles about justice? Should we use a description like "concept relevant to, besides others, ethics, philosophy, jurisdiction and legislation"? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

So this should have been the description in the old item, the description should follow the articles, not the other way around. I complain about the useless moving orgy, that packs the watchlists in all wikipedias without any use. The first screenpage of my Beo was crammed with moving messages from WD because of this, when one description change would have been sufficient. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 20:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

You redefined a word, or better: you redefined the summary of the Wikipedia articles, that were put together under that item. Those articles were the base for the item in WD, they had the correct definition, and WD simply had to follow this definition. They existed in this way before you redefined this item in a way, that it did no longer fit to the core of the item , all the WP-articles. So if you were missing some kind of item with the definition, you were looking fore, you should have created a new one, and not redefined the item, that already had a clear definition in all its defining articles. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(talk) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Sänger: Ein User hat equity in seiner Sprache gelesen, was aber als Billigkeit zu verstehen war, und blind mit dem Begriff Gerechtigkeit im Allgemeinen germergt.--Abwertungsvokabel (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Item "Unbill"

Hallo Valentina,

ich bin mir sicher, dass ich ein Item über Unbill erstellt habe (oder es zumindest existierte, bevor ich Billigkeit angelegt habe).

Darf ich fragen, wo es hin ist? Viele Grüße, --Abwertungsvokabel (talk) 16:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Abwertungsvokabel: Hm, ich konnte das gerade auch nicht finden und ich kann mich nicht erinnern, es irgendwann gesehen zu haben. Vielleicht wurde es gelöscht? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Pozvánka na česko-slovenský Wikimedia Hackathon 2022

Srdečně Vás zveme na český a slovenský Wikimedia Hackathon 2022, který se bude konat 21.5. od 9:00 do 16:00 hybridně - paralelně online (na tomto odkazu) a paralelně offline (na adrese Slovenská 1705/21 v Praze 2 v sídle spolku Wikimedia Česká republika, který akci pořádá). Letošní hackathon bude věnovaný slovenským wikidatům a budování slovenské Wikidata komunity. Celý Hackathon bude v českém a slovenském jazyce. Více o programu Hackathonu se dozvíte na tomto odkazu nebo na FB události. Těšíme se na Vás! S pozdravem, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) & Eva Vele (WMCZ) (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

We cordially invite you to the Czech and Slovak Wikimedia Hackathon 2022, which will take place on 21 May from 9:00 - 16:00 in a hybrid way - parallel online (at this link) and parallel offline: at Slovenská 1705/21 in Prague 2 at the headquarters of the Wikimedia Czech Republic, which organizes the event. This year's hackathon will be dedicated to Slovak Wikidata and building the Slovak Wikidata community. More information about the Hackathon program can be found at this link or on the FB event. The whole Hackathon will be in Czech and Slovak language only. We look forward to seeing you there! Best regards, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) & Eva Vele (WMCZ) (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

BrookTheHumming

BrookTheHumming (talk • contribs • logs) keeps removing statements from Disney pages. Is this vandalism possibly? Like for example, on Lady and the Tramp, he removed many things including the characters. On that page, I haven't seen anyone undo it yet. Do you know how to undo it, or someone who could undo it? I'm suspicious of this user because this has been going on for months (the edit to Lady and the Tramp was on April 25, and somehow, it hasn't been reverted yet). 2600:1700:53F0:AD70:D0C6:151C:FD5:5BFF 03:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for noticing. I undid the changes and I left a message on their talk page. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I did it because I thought that streaming services should not be considered the distributors of movies or series just because they have them in their catalogs (in addition to the fact that in each country they have different catalogs). Movies or series like the series "Stranger Things" are distributed by Netflix as they are made for the platform, or movies and series like the series "The Mandalorian" are distributed by Disney+, but the movie "Wreck-It Ralph", for example, it's just a movie that is available on a streaming platform and that's it, it's not that the platform distributes it. Put in "Distributed by" streaming platforms just to have movies and series available, I think it's like if a store has "Wreck-It Ralph" available on DVD, and because the store offers that movie to the public, we also put in the "Distributed by" section the name of the store or line of stores that sells the DVD. It's my opinion, but if movies have to stay that way, I'll stop removing mentions of digital platforms.--BrookTheHumming (talk) 10:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I think there is a misunderstanding, BrookTheHumming: I agree with everything you wrote above; streaming services should not be indicated as distributors of a movie unless they were made for them. It is just the removal of some other information (e.g. characters and representation tests and some of the distribution format (P437)) that I don't agree with. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I saw that, when reverting at Lady and the Tramp, some statements were removed that were added recently. Can you add them back? (MPAA rating, box office, and soundtrack). See the difference (it's hard to tell, but from the looks of it, a few things are apparently missing). 2600:1700:53F0:AD70:914D:97D:62C6:D6F0 02:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Fiction content metadata and readings discovery

Dear Valentina, I'm working in a librarian proof of concept rooted in collaborative description of fiction universes, accomplished working together librarians and readers. Once there are a work described, we try to pick up other books related and the reason of the link, and then, append these data in Wikidata. Playing a little with SPARQL in the WDQS we build queries to find connected books. If you are interested in this research/project, please contact with me at University of Murcia (Spain): @Tsaorin my mail is tsp@um.es Tsaorin (talk) 07:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

narrative role (P5800)

Is this constraint violation on Q5131493#P1441 supposed to happen? Trade (talk) 20:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: Yes. narrative role (P5800) should be either used as a qualifier to characters (P674) on the work item or as a direct statement on the character item (restricted to the work using qualifier applies to work (P10663)) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Should P2868 also be similary restricted?--Trade (talk) 16:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: In my opinion, yes. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

group of fictional characters v. fictional group of characters

In all honesty i can never figure out which one to use. At what point does a group becomes 'defined' in the work itself rather than by real-life people? Trade (talk) 01:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Trade! As I understand these items, group of fictional characters (Q14514600) may be used for any set of characters, also for men with pink hats in work x or group of girls from work y or character in work z. This may be a group formed to comment on the work, not necessarily a group in the work itself. fictional group of characters (Q24577840) should only be used for teams, cliques or similar in the work itself (e.g. every superhero team or clique should be probably a fictional group of characters (Q24577840). The idea is probably to only get "proper" fictional groups, not (internal) categorizations like "character from Star Trek", "character from ...".

While I get the gist of the distinction I completely agree that there are cases where it is hard to decide if a certain group is set in the work itself - especially as the concept of "group" is quite vague, here. Some time ago I created items like Forest animals (Q29061014) - I'm not sure if it is really a fictional group of characters (Q24577840) or not rather a group of fictional characters (Q14514600). The thing gets even more complicated as currently most items being an instance of group of fictional characters (Q14514600) qualify to be an instance of fictional group of characters (Q24577840). So the distinction is not really helpful, at the moment. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you know if there's a way to change narrative age (P6249) so we can indicate that someone are in their 20's or similar? Right now the property only works with specific exact ages which isn't practical for fictional characters--Trade (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: You can set the unit to "decades old". For a character in their twenties the age would be "20 <decades old>". - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

20 decades is 200 years--Trade (talk) 13:22, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: So 2 decades, then :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Q12019871

The descriptions you've written do not distinguish this item from other items. All lager groups will consist of several species. How is this group different from other groups that it might be confused with? --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: The important thing is that brown algae (Q12019871) about a common idea, not about a single taxon. Why do you set the label to "stramenopiles"? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:17, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Just as an addition: I won't argue about this item (I have little interest in it). I just noticed instance of (P31)common name (Q502895) and replaced it with instance of (P31)organisms known by a particular common name (Q55983715). Now, if this is about an inofficial grouping of algae and not about a taxon it can't be a duplicate of Phaeophyceae (Q184573). If you prefer to make it a duplicate of Phaeophyceae (Q184573) just go ahead. I'm just not sure about the term "stramenopiles" as this does not seem to me what the Czech article describes. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

The coverage on the Czech page is almost the same as stramenopiles, and almost the same as Ochrophyta. It can't be "brown algae", because in English that has a very particular meaning (Phaeophyceae) and the Czech page is clearly not about just the Phaeophyceae. I found the closest English equivalent to the scope of the Czech page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I just moved the discussion to the talk page of brown algae (Q12019871). I pinged Vojtěch Dostál who may be in a better position to help than I am. Kind regars, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Reiterstandbild

Hallo, du hattest bei Q113359068 das "ist ein" von Reiterstandbild auf Skulptur geändert und das Reiterstandbild ins Genre verschoben. Das finde ich nicht gut, wozu sollte die präzise Bezeichnung versteckt werden? -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 16:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hallo Gerd Fahrenhorst! Gründe für die Verschiebung sind die folgenden:

1) Inkonsistenzen in der Ontologie

equestrian statue (Q659396) ist aktuell eine (indirekte) Unterklasse von activity (Q1914636). Strukturbaum für "Unterklasse von" ausgehend von equestrian statue (Q659396) (anscheinend leider nicht auf Deutsch):

• equestrian portrait
  • portrait
    • image
      • artificial object ^(@)→
      • two-dimensional object
        • ^→(#) object
          • entity ⊸
        • geometric object
          • mathematical object
            • abstract entity
              • entity ⊸
    • work
      • ^→(@) artificial object
        • object ^(#)→

Als Instanz von equestrian statue (Q659396) würde Reiterregiment 13 war memorial (Q113359068) auch indirekt zur Handlung erklärt. Reiterregiment 13 war memorial (Q113359068) ist aber keine Handlung.

Um diese Inkonsistenz zu beheben gäbe es natürlich auch die Möglichkeit, die Unterklassenbeziehung von equestrian statue (Q659396) anzupassen (zum Beispiel durch Ersetzung von subclass of (P279)animal art (Q16875712) durch subclass of (P279)work of animal art (neues Objekt)). Ich habe mich für eine Verschiebung der instance of (P31)equestrian statue (Q659396)-Aussagen nach genre (P136)equestrian statue (Q659396) entschieden, weil dies meiner Einschätzung nach eher der aktuellen Praxis in der Modellierung bildender Kunst entspricht (siehe Ausführungen zum zweiten Grund)

2) Vereinheitlichung in der Modellierung:

Reiterstandbilder wurden zuvor zum Teil via genre (P136), zum Teil via instance of (P31) als equestrian statue (Q659396) gekennzeichnet (ca. Hälfte/Hälfte). Bei der Vereinheitlichung der Modellierung habe ich mich für genre (P136) entschieden auf Grund a) der Inkonsistenz in der Ontologie (s. oben), b) der Kennzeichnung von equestrian statue (Q659396) als art genre (Q1792379) und c) der Modellierung anderer prominenter Wikidata-Objekte aus dem Bereich der bildenden Kunst sowie der Dokumentation auf Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts/Item_structure. Der bevorzugte Ansatz scheint mir zu sein, einen eher breiten Werktyp für instance of (P31) zu wählen (painting (Q3305213), drawing (Q93184), photograph (Q125191)) und Kategorisierungen, die das Kunstwerk inhaltlich näher beschreiben (z.B. Abbildung eines Reiters, religiöses Motiv, Abbildung einer Person) über genre (P136) auszudrücken.

Beispiele:

Mona Lisa (Q12418)

• Mona Lisa (Q12418)instance of (P31)painting (Q3305213)
• Mona Lisa (Q12418)genre (P136)portrait (Q134307)

The Last Judgment (Q567861)

• The Last Judgment (Q567861)instance of (P31)fresco (Q22669139)
• The Last Judgment (Q567861)genre (P136)religious art (Q2864737)

Venus of Willendorf (Q131397)

• Venus of Willendorf (Q131397)instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861)
• Venus of Willendorf (Q131397)genre (P136)Venus figurine (Q248726)

Nefertiti Bust (Q582172)

• Nefertiti Bust (Q582172)instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861)
• Nefertiti Bust (Q582172)genre (P136)bust (Q17489160)

Perseus with the Head of Medusa (Q599034)

• Perseus with the Head of Medusa (Q599034)instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861)
• Perseus with the Head of Medusa (Q599034)genre (P136)nude (Q40446)

Es ist häufiger der Fall, dass die präziseste Information nicht über instance of (P31), sondern über eine eigene Eigenschaft zugänglich ist. Ein Beispiel dafür ist die Modellierung von Menschen; über instance of (P31) erhalten einzelne Menschen ausschließlich die Aussage instance of (P31)human (Q5). Anderes (Beruf, Position, etc.) werden über eigene Eigenschaften ausgedrückt. Zugegebenerweise gestaltet sich das bei Kunstwerken schwieriger - nicht zuletzt, weil die Modellierung hier so viel uneinheitlicher ist als bei Menschen.

Natürlich möchte ich die Information, dass es sich bei Reiterregiment 13 war memorial (Q113359068) um ein Reiterstandbild handelt, nicht verbergen. Soweit ich sehe, ist sie auch noch sehr gut unter genre (P136) sicht- und abfragbar. Wie meinst du das, dass die Information versteckt wird? Möglicherweise habe ich einen Anwendungsfall nicht im Blick, für den eine Information unter genre (P136) schwerer zugänglich wird. Viele Grüße, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

But the net effect of your substitution as P31 of the general and almost meaningless term "sculpture" for a specific term like "equestrian statue" is to render projects such as mine useless https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Greece/Sculpted_Memory_in_Greece, because the objects catalogued in them become undiscoverable under their core identity, which is as a subclass of memorial. In real life an equestrian statue is almost always a memorial as well as a genre. If I create a new entity, "equestrian memorial", to preserve the ontological purity of your art project, will you allow it? JBradyK (ToposText) (talk) 09:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello JBradyK I'm not part of the art project. I came across this item by fixing general inconsistencies in Wikidata (see User:Mateusz_Konieczny/failing_testcases). I don't mind if you create a new entity "equestrian memorial". I don't even care if equestrian statue (Q659396) is indicated via instance of (P31) (after fixing the activity issue) or genre (P136) as long as it is consistent across Wikidata (as noted above it was not - half of the equestrian statue items used P31, the other half P136). If you prefer to use instance of (P31) we could bring it up at Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts to get more opinions. Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:23, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

In general I think that instance of (P31) should be as specific and exact as possible, not only in arts context. So I think equestrian statue (Q659396) should be modified to fix the problem that it is an indirect subclass of activity (Q1914636). -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 16:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I opened a discussion at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#equestrian_statue:_instance_of_(P31)_or_genre_(P136) (in my opinion this should be decided in a wider context, not on my talk page between three people). If it should be decided to use P31, I will move values back to P31, of course. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Valentina.Anitnelav and disagree with User:Gerd Fahrenhorst: The convention is, as documented on Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure, to use a limited set of instance of (P31) and record this in genre (P136).

This is just like that we say instance of (P31) -> human (Q5) and sex or gender (P21) -> male (Q6581097) and not instance of (P31) -> male (Q6581097). Multichill (talk) 14:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Motif Index

It isn't simply a question of whether the motif is present or not, but in this instance neither of the reference links you provided were viable. With no valid reference, there was nothing to support the claim. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi EncycloPetey, I did not mind you reverting my edit and I understand your motivation completely :). I appreciate it very much that you scrutinize these kinds of edits (mistakes can happen everywhere, also in the Motif Index and maybe the Motif Index was/is mistaken).

When I reverted your reverting I just wanted to provide the reason for reinserting the statement in a concise manner (including the reference to the Hathitrust page). I will use the talk page next time if you prefer that.

As to the unavailability of the content: this was the page I took it from (back in December 2022), so this was actually my source. I did not know that the archived page was incomplete (it is available, as far as I can see). The version from April 2022 seems to be complete, though[10]. I will use this for future additions of motifs from this section. Kind regards and thanks for taking so much care, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It might be available, but the link you supplied went nowhere. For a link to be used in a reference, it must work, or have an archived version that works. In this case, neither link works. Without any functioning links, that statement is unsupported by a reference. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: There are several archived version that work [11]. Unfortunately the page from August 14th 2022 is incomplete, which I did not notice when adding it. But just go the the Wayback Machine, enter the url and you will find other versions, e.g. from April 4th 2022, that are complete.

Apart from that the statement was supported by a reference (even when ignoring the links because they are not working or incomplete). It is not a very convenient one, admittedly: stated in (P248)Motif-Index of Folk-Literature (Q114946518). You could try and get a print copy or another version on the internet.

Apart from that: you were right to point out the invalid (or rather incomplete) archive page and I will use the version from April 2022 for future additions. Regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Split needs to be redirected

Could you please redirect Q115868328 to Q7294856? 67.218.18.234 00:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, the items are about different things - one about the character, the other about the comic strip. Why do you see the need for a merge? Regards, Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Property to link artwork and publication

Hi,

I vaguely remember a property to link an artwork and the publication where it appears (or vice-versa). For instance, Q119162651 is used as the cover of the book Rennes, les vies d'une ville (Q62390984).

By any chance, do you remember such a property?

Cheers, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vigneron, unfortunately not. But this would be definitely useful. :) Kind regards, Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

For the moment, I've put

⟨ Rennes, les vies d'une ville (Q62390984)    ⟩ depicts (P180) ⟨ Q119162651    ⟩
applies to part (P518) ⟨ front page (Q630790)    ⟩

It's not fully satisfying but it's better than nothing, I'll ask on the talk page of depicts (P180) later.

Cheers, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 07:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Fictional government forms

Is there any reeason for items like fictional republic (Q106485190), fictional dictatorship (Q120200559) and fictional transitional government (Q120200577) to exist when we can use basic form of government (P122)?@J 1982:--Trade (talk) 21:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I agree with you - I'd prefer basic form of government (P122), too. I'm going to post this at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Fictional_universes to get other opinions, possibly. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Portrays of real life people

If a real life figure is portrayed in a creative work is it then okay to use a image (P18) of said figure in the item about the character? Or should related image (P6802) be used instead--Trade (talk) 15:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that historical character (Q3375731) was a thing. But how do we define when someone is considered a historical figure? --Trade (talk) 15:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I'd rather use related image (P6802). As I understand it, any character representing a real (historical) person is a historical figure. The French Wikipedia only gives examples from historical literature, but I see no reason why we could not apply it to characters from video games, films or comics. Mary Stuart (Q60728214) is certainly a historical character, but Pocahontas (Q2625989) probably too. Also characters representing contemporary persons (e.g. Donald Trump (Q104421475)) are historical characters. Basically any character you could use fictional or mythical analog of (P1074) with. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

We are supposed to use fictional or mythical analog of (P1074) with them? I thought it was named after (P138) and inspired by (P941) we were supposed to use on these kind of characters? Using all three feels a bit overkill tbh. --Trade (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: Actually, it is only fictional or mythical analog of (P1074). A character can be named after and inspired by a real person without representing this person: Buzz Lightyear (Q1986193) seems to be an example for this (according to Wikidata named after and inspired by Buzz Aldrin (Q2252)), Alice (Q1269082) is said to be named after and inspired by Alice Liddell (Q234185), but does not represent her.

Currently, there are only 35 character inspired by and named after a person (query 1), but 897 characters being a fictional or mythical analog of a person (query 2). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Q112242467

Please tell me i am not the only one who find most of these P31 to be redundant and completely arbitrary?

Or do we really need to add "X work character" to the P31 of every fictional character on WD? Trade (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I agree: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Fictional_universes#character_from_a_certain_fictional_universe - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

set in environment (P8411)

How would one indicate that a works takes place during the night? Or that a work takes place entirely during raining? Do we have to expand the scope of the property or do we need a new one? Trade (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I'd use set during recurring event (P9215). I already expanded its scope by including planetary phase (Q2350831) to indicate that a certain work takes place during full moon. Maybe we could add type of meteorological phenomenon (Q118733587) as a possible value to include raining. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Vielen Dank

Guten Tag! Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis und Ihre Unterstützung etc. Grüß Бучач-Львів (talk) 06:40, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Umschrift des ukrainischen kyrillischen Alphabets (Duden)

Bitten Sie eine Frau um Hilfe. Wie schreibe ich den ukrainischen Buchstaben C im deutschen Alphabet richtig vor Vokalen - S oder Ss? Wenn ich diesen Text richtig verstanden habe, dann - S. Aber im deutschen Wiki sehe ich zum Beispiel das hier: Wassyliwka (укр. с), Saporischschja (ukr. З). Vielen Dank für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit und Antwort. Grüß. PS. Dieser Text enthält einen kleinen Fehler: ь - dieses Zeichen wird auf Ukrainisch nur als Kleinbuchstabe geschrieben. Entschuldigung, wenn es Fehler gibt - googletranslate. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Hallo Бучач-Львів,

nehmen Sie am besten die Namenskonventionen der deutschen Wikipedia zur Grundlage: de:Wikipedia:Namenskonventionen/Kyrillisch#Transkription. Die folgen dem Duden. Unter https://home.uni-leipzig.de/krueger/lehress/ukrain/ukraintranskript.pdf fehlen die Ausnahmen.

с -> ss gilt nur zwischen Vokalen (s. de:Wikipedia:Namenskonventionen/Kyrillisch#FNZ_5)

Beispiele:

Василівка -> Wassyliwka (с zwischen Vokalen (а und и))

Одеса -> Odessa (с zwischen Vokalen (е und а))

verkürzte Erklärung: Im Deutschen wird ein einfaches s zwischen Vokalen in der Regel eher stimmhaft ausgesprochen (eher wie з). Um deutlich zu machen, dass ein stimmloses с gemeint ist, schreiben wir ss.

с -> s in allen anderen Fällen.

Beispiele:

Олександр -> Oleksandr (nach einem Konsonant)

Владислава -> Wladyslawa (vor einem Konsonant)

Софія -> Sofija (am Wortanfang)

Тарас -> Taras (am Wortende)

З/з -> S/s (immer, keine Ausnahmen)

Ich hoffe, das hilft. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Übersetzung ins Ukrainische / Переклад на українську мову (https://www.deepl.com):

Привіт Бучач-Львів,

найкраще взяти за основу правила іменування німецької Вікіпедії: de:Wikipedia:Namenskonventionen/Kyrillisch#Transkription. Вони слідують за Дуденом. У https://home.uni-leipzig.de/krueger/lehress/ukrain/ukraintranskript.pdf відсутні деякі винятки.

с -> ss застосовується лише між голосними (див. de:Wikipedia:Namenskonventionen/Kyrillisch#FNZ_5).

Приклади:

Василівка -> Wassyliwka (с між голосними (а та и).

Одеса -> Odessa (с між голосними (е та а)).

Скорочене пояснення: У німецькій мові простий с між голосними зазвичай вимовляється досить дзвінко (більше схоже на з). Щоб було зрозуміло, що мається на увазі глухе с, ми пишемо ss.

с -> s у всіх інших випадках.

Приклади:

Олександр -> Oleksandr (після приголосного).

Владислава -> Wladyslawa (перед приголосною).

Софія -> Sofija (на початку слова)

Тарас -> Taras (в кінці слова)

З/з -> S/s (завжди, без винятків).

Сподіваюся, це допоможе. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for being mad

Because u removed human biblical figure from Nehushta Jehoiakimin (talk) 10:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jehoiakimin: Please don't be mad. I removed it according to this discussion here: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Biblical_characters. human biblical figure (Q20643955) should only be used on figures whose existence is at least dubious. That Nehushta appears in the bible is still preserved via Q20502297#P1441. Do you think I made a mistake? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Aarne-Thompson-Index and so on

Privit Valentina! I noticed that you're doing a lot of impressive work in relation to narration. Are you planning of incorporating the whole of the ATU-index into Wikidata? Myself, I'm currently working on a matching of Encyclopedia of Fairy Tales (Q1346184) with Wikidata via OpenRefine, and they have a lot of ATU concepts which are not yet present here.

I would love to get into an exchange with and learn from you! Best, Jonathan Groß (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jonathan Groß: Thanks a lot! Yes, I'm planning to get the ATU index into Wikidata, too, but I don't think I will get to it before the end of this year (I want to finish the motif index, first). Thanks for working with the Encyclopedia of Fairy Tales (Q1346184). You could just create new items for not existing folk tale types or you could leave it for later. If you like to create new items I would suggest (as a minimal set of statements) instance of (P31)folktale type (Q47451145) Aarne–Thompson–Uther Tale Type Index (P2540)<ATU number> and/or catalog code (P528)<AaTh number>. I would add more information later, unless you feel like completing them. The model for folk tale types is still quite sketchy: Please point out missing properties / approaches to modelling certain information. Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Further on instance of human and human whose existence is disputed

Thanks for your answer on the Wikidata:Project chat with respect to historical person (Q110897910). Using human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568) will be nice. A follow up quetion will be, shall such an item have both human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568) AND human (Q5) or human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568) only? Example Manco Capac (Q165968)? Breg Pmt (talk) 17:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Pmt: In most cases there should only be human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), in my opinion. There may be some cases where an additional human (Q5) with statement supported by (P3680) etc. could make sense, though. Unfortunately the use of human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568)/religious character (Q18563354)/mythical character (Q4271324)/human (Q5)/hypothetical person (Q75855169) is not very consistent. It would be nice to have some general guidelines in the future. These should be probably developed together with Wikidata:WikiProject_Antiquity and Wikidata:WikiProject_Religions. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, a good answer for me. It makes sence. I am working a lot with norwegian persons. The persons said to have "country (P17) with Norway (Q20) being human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568) I will try to sort out from real human (Q5) having Norway (Q20), and find them in saga (Q180494). I shall of course contact Wikidata:WikiProject_Antiquity. Again thanks for claryfying. Breg Pmt (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Q1054122

How should we model this kind of fictional character? I assume either gender or character type Trade (talk) 23:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I'd rather use sex/gender. If used as a value for sex/gender I'd also split up this item (currently this refers both to a pornography genre and a type of character/sex/gender). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Q123479538 is done. Do you know if there is away to constrain to prevent it from being used on humans? Trade (talk) 01:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I added a complex constraint to sex or gender (P21) and added the query to my maintenance queries. I'm not aware of a better way to prevent this. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

What do we do with characters affected by gender bender (Q112224709)? Trade (talk) 12:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

What about significant event (P793)sex change (Q512554) or significant event (P793)gender change (Q10384163), possibly qualified with has cause (P828)? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

You don't think it qualifies as a character type? Trade (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

In my mind Q112224709 is about a specific Japanese trope and not every imaginable instance where a character's sex/gender could have been said to be changed into the opposite Trade (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I'm not that acquainted with manga and anime: if it is used as a character type there, I'm not against indicating it as a character type here. I just remembered the discussion at Talk:Q2261572 where JeanJung212 wrote "Gender Bender in my experience has always been used as a genre descriptor and not as a descriptor of a character type.". You could think about talking about this in the Mange and Anime Project Chat. About futunari: There seems to be some resistance against including it in the list of allowed values (revert). I think you know best how you'd like to use it and why it is notable; so I would leave this discussion to you. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@JeanJung212:--Trade (talk) 21:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC) @Jeanjung212:--Trade (talk) 21:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop

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Table Creation

Hi @Valentina.Anitnelav,

Hope you are doing well.

Kindly requesting if you could teach me how to create a table similar to the one you created for our Media Representation Task Force BBC's The 100 greatest films directed by women. Or, help guide me to the resources to learn to create one.

I am trying to create similar tables for WikiProject Library and Information Science, as it will help a lot to keep track of items.

You are also welcome to join the Wikiproject if you like, but no pressure. And, Thanks for all the work you have done on Wikidata over the years. Wallacegromit1 (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wallacegromit,

thank you :)

The "normal" table uses Listeria. You find the documentation here: Template:Wikidata_list/doc.

The property dashboard (as used here: BBC's The 100 greatest films directed by women) has its documentation here: Template:Property_dashboard.

Does this help? Please feel free to ask if you run into any problems or if there are other questions.

And many thanks to you, too! Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav

Thanks for the resources. I still require your help, as I am unable to create the format that I am looking for.

• I think I am trying to combine the two;
• I would like the first 3 columns to be Region/Country, the 'count' of the Number of People with occupation (P106) = indexer (Q60461966) at the 'Start' of the Project (listed below), and then a Auto-Generated List of Current Number of Indexers ('Now').
• Followed by the below properties and qualifiers with percentage completed (Template:Property_dashboard). Can qualifiers be shown as well?
• All in one table, if possible.

Region |Start |Now |P69|P512|P812|P580|P582|P184|P1066|P69|P31|

Australia |0 |Auto |

New Zealand |0 |Auto |

SouthAfrica |0 |Auto |

Worldwide |3 |Auto |

• Would like a walkthrough or template, if possible, of how you constructed it, please. Wallacegromit1 (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wallacegromit1: If I understand you correctly, you also want to track your progress. I don't think that this is possible, at least I've never seen a table like this, until now. I also don't think that it is possible to show qualifiers.

But as to the rest: Is this what you are thinking of?:

Manually update

all entities | count | all groupings | without grouping property | below threshold (0) | Querying about indexer (Q60461966)   Grouping by country of citizenship (P27)

Top groupings (Minimum 0 items)			Top Properties (used at least 0 times per grouping)
	Name	Count	educated at (P69)	academic degree (P512)	academic major (P812)	start time (P580)	end time (P582)	doctoral advisor (P184)	student of (P1066)
Oceania (Q55643)	Australia (Q408)	19	42.11% (8) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Africa (Q15)	South Africa (Q258)	6	33.33% (2) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Europe (Q46)	United Kingdom (Q145)	2	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Insular Oceania (Q538)	New Zealand (Q664)	2	100.0% (2) 🔍	50.0% (1) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	50.0% (1) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Europe (Q46)	United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (Q174193)	2	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Asia (Q48)	Iraq (Q796)	1	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
Asia (Q48)	Sri Lanka (Q854)	1	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
	No grouping	0	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍
	Totals (all items)	30	40.0% (12) 🔍	3.33% (1) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍	3.33% (1) 🔍	0% (0) 🔍

To construct the table I proceeded as follows:

Necessary:

1. Select the statement that *must* be present on every item, used to select items of interest. This is the "selector sparql". In your case this is occupation (P106)indexer (Q60461966). (or wdt:P106 wd:Q60461966)

2. Select the property used to group your items. This is the "grouping property". You want the counts of indexers by country, so it is country of citizenship (P27) in your case, I guess.

3. Select the properties you want to keep track of (in your case this is P69, P512, etc.)

With the necessary information the table looks like this:

{{Property dashboard
|selector_sparql=wdt:P106 wd:Q60461966
|grouping_property=P27
|properties=P69,P512,P812,P580,P582,P184,P1066
}}
{{Property dashboard end}}

Optional:

4.Select a property to get higher order grouping. In my example I used the property continent (P30)

5. Decide if you want to show indexers without any country of citizenship assigned, too. In this case set stats_for_no_group=TRUE

6. Set a grouping threshold: This is the threshold that must be met for a group to be shown. If you set it to 10 all countries with less than 10 indexers won't appear in your table.

So in the end the resulting template is the following:

{{Property dashboard
|selector_sparql=wdt:P106 wd:Q60461966
|grouping_property=P27
|higher_grouping=wdt:P30
|properties=P69,P512,P812,P580,P582,P184,P1066,P69
|grouping_threshold=0
|stats_for_no_group=TRUE
}}
{{Property dashboard end}}

Does this help? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav

Thank You So Much! The explanation clarifies everything. Especially the Optional values that were confusing me.

We cant manually add another column in there. But, this is fine, we can just note the start values in another place to track the count progress. It would have also been great if the qualifiers could be tracked too, but even having the basic higher order properties is really helpful.

Is there a way to limit the number of countries shown?

Again, Thank You So Much! Wallacegromit1 (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wallacegromit1: I could not find a way to set a "hard" limit. You could limit the number of countries shown using the grouping_threshold parameter. Currently the threshold is 0, so all countries with at least 1 indexer are shown. In the future you could raise the threshold to 10, to show only countries with at least 10 indexers. If there are too many countries with at least 10 indexers raise it again to 50 or 100 etc.

If it is just about limiting the size of the table shown you could also use a "scrollable table". For this surround the table with <div style="overflow-y:scroll; max-height:500px"> [your table goes here]</div>. (The max-height of 500px is just a suggestion). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav : Thank You for the clear instructions and options, they are really helpful in learning about these tables. As the project grows in items, I may ask about Listeria as well. I hope its not a bother.

• I was able to add this to get only Australian Librarians (with other countries showing up due to original or dual citizenships);

|selector_sparql=wdt:P106 wd:Q182436;wdt:P27 wd:Q408

• However, it is working on my userpage, but not on the Wikiproject Page in this Section. Even after manually updating, it does not form the table. Would you know why? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 00:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure but I think you have to create an own page for each of the tables. Then you can include it using {{WIKILINK TO PAGE}}.

I won't be bothered if you ask me about Listeria, later :). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Narrators

Would you be against treating in-universe narrators as characters with their own items? If you look at works like these have multiple different named narrators which all appear in the universe Trade (talk) 23:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

• I define in-universe narrators as narrators that are narrating to in-universe characters as opposed to the out-of-universe audience itself that are typically associated with the property. --Trade (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• @Trade: No, not all. They seem to be characters, so they may have their own items. There already exist items for characters that are mainly narrators, e.g. Narrator (Q3336121) and The Narrator (Q58484550). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  Any idea how to model characters voiced by text-to-speech? Assuming that we know what TTS software were used Trade (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)