Property talk:P1410

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number of seats in assembly
number of seats a political party, faction, or group has in a given assembly
DescriptionNumber of seats held by a political group or party in a legislative body provided by qualifiers. Use member count (P2124) for number of members of e.g. a political party.
Representselected person (Q16060143), number of entities (Q614112)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameter"loksabha_seats"/"Rajyasabha_seats"/"assembly_seats" in en:template:infobox indian political party
DomainUnsorted (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values0 ≤ 𝓧 ≤ 600
Allowed unitsnot applicable
Usage notesUse with qualifier P194
Example
According to this template: Bharatiya Janata Party (Q10230) => 117 with qaulifier Legislature legislative body (P194): Lok Sabha (Q230003)
According to statements in the property:
Bharatiya Janata Party (Q10230) → 117
Fidesz (Q387006) → 119
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Sourceexample w:en:Lok sabha see infobox for list if political party and seats hold by them (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1410 (Q113519456)
See alsonumber of seats (P1342)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total27,348
Main statement13,95051% of uses
Qualifier13,39849% of uses
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Units: “novalue”: value unit must be one of listed. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#Units, hourly updated report
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#Scope, SPARQL
Range from “0” to “600”: values should be in the range from “0” to “600”. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#Range, hourly updated report
Required qualifier “legislative body (P194): this property should be used with the listed qualifier. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#mandatory qualifier, SPARQL
Integer: values should be integers (ie. they shouldn't have a fractional part) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#integer, hourly updated report, SPARQL
No bounds: values can't have any bounds (e.g. 1 not 1±0) (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1410#No Bounds, SPARQL

Using this property for the state representation count[edit]

I think this property perfectly fits another usecase (see proposal) - number of seats that a US state has in the House of Representatives (its proportional to the population). By analogy, it can also be used for all other similar region representation counts, like European Union parliament representation. --Yurik (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Yurik: Yes we should better define the scope of this property. You changed the English name to thee very generic "organization", while the property still requires the mandatory qualifier "legislative body", which is much more restricted. We could change the mandatory qualifier to something broader. SPQRobin (talk) 13:04, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Property as a qualifier[edit]

Hello. I request the update of number of seats in assembly (P1410) to allow to be used as a qualifier. Please read Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization#parliament seats. Xaris333 (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dom Tubezlob Oravrattas Sarilho1 Yair rand Siwhitehouse Louisecrow Xaris333 Amadalvarez Popperipopp Dajasj Johanricher c960657 Dipsacus fullonum Zwolfz Antagonist Nikola Tulechki WikiBunny2K1 Ranjithsiji Gnoeee Kuldeepburjbhalaike PAC2

Notified participants of WikiProject elections Xaris333 (talk) 09:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Project chat#Parliament or municipal council seats Xaris333 (talk) 16:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with the change, but I think the title is now very complicated. Is there a simpler label we could use? Andrew Gray (talk) 22:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Would a simple "number of representatives" be enough, or is there something that wouldn't adequately convey? --Oravrattas (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dom Tubezlob Oravrattas Sarilho1 Yair rand Siwhitehouse Louisecrow Xaris333 Amadalvarez Popperipopp Dajasj Johanricher c960657 Dipsacus fullonum Zwolfz Antagonist Nikola Tulechki WikiBunny2K1 Ranjithsiji Gnoeee Kuldeepburjbhalaike PAC2

Notified participants of WikiProject elections, Now, that P1410 can be used as a qualifier, we should change the quantity (P1114) included as a qualifier in successful candidate (P991) of election items. Until now, the only way to inform number of seats won for each party were the generic property P1114, however now we must use P1410 because is the most specific. Any suggestion ? Do you agree?. Amadalvarez (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Amadalvarez: This migration is currently running as https://tools.wmflabs.org/editgroups/b/wikibase-cli/d1e31dd833b33/ and https://tools.wmflabs.org/editgroups/b/wikibase-cli/dd98c6ba7220b --Oravrattas (talk) 07:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Oravrattas: Great ! Amadalvarez (talk) 09:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should we rename this to "Number of seats in assembly"?[edit]

The question is in the title: should we replace this template's references to legislature (Q11204) with its superset assembly (Q1752346)? It would thus work correctly for collegial executives such as Switzerland (federal, cantonal, and municipal), where the amount of seats plays a role, and have its intended role for assemblies in general instead of only those exercising legislative power. Julio974fr (talk) 13:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]