Property talk:P359

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Rijksmonument ID
identifier for a monument assigned by the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed
DescriptionThe (unique) identifier of a Rijksmonument
Associated itemRijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (Q1766396)
Applicable "stated in" valueDutch register of monuments (Q7477362)
Has qualityidentifier (Q853614)
Data typeExternal identifier
Corresponding templateTemplate:Rijksmonument (Q15634364)
Template parameternl:Sjabloon:Infobox kerk / nl:Sjabloon:Infobox molen / (and more) |monumentnummer=
Domain
According to this template: Instances of Rijksmonument (Q916333)
According to statements in the property:
work (Q386724), geographical feature (Q618123), garden ornament (Q28597527) or organ (Q1444)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values\d{1,6} (numerical string, between 1 and 600000)
ExampleGrote Kerk (Q1545193) → 19264
National Monument on Dam Square (Q473851) → 530906
Peace Palace (Q834448) → 333074
Concertgebouw (Q849957) → 288
Rietveld Schröder House (Q914231) → 18329
SourceAssigned by the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Formatter URLhttps://monumentenregister.cultureelerfgoed.nl/monumenten/$1
https://monumentenregister.cultureelerfgoed.nl/monumenten/pdf/$1
Tracking: sameCategory:Pages with P359 identical with Wikidata (Q16914009)
Tracking: differencesCategory:Pages with P359 different from Wikidata (Q16914007)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P359 (Q28320795)
Tracking: local yes, WD noCategory:Property P359 missing at Wikidata, but information available in Wikipedia (Q16914008)
Related to country Netherlands (Q55) (See 108 others)
See alsoRijksmonument complex ID (P7135)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total64,312
Main statement64,07299.6% of uses
Qualifier22<0.1% of uses
Reference2180.3% of uses
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Item “country (P17): Netherlands (Q55)”: Items with this property should also have “country (P17): Netherlands (Q55)”. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P17, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL
Format “\d{1,6}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Single value, SPARQL
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Binnenhofcomplex Hofkapel, The Hague (Q17341933), Court Chapel (Q21445477)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
Item “coordinate location (P625)”: Items with this property should also have “coordinate location (P625)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P625, SPARQL
Conflicts with “Rijksmonument complex ID (P7135)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Conflicts with P7135, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL
Conflicts with “heritage designation (P1435): Rijksmonument complex (Q13423591)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Conflicts with P1435, search, SPARQL
Item “Commons category (P373)”: Items with this property should also have “Commons category (P373)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P373, search, SPARQL
Item “image (P18)”: Items with this property should also have “image (P18)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P18, SPARQL
Item “located on street (P669)”: Items with this property should also have “located on street (P669)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P669, search, SPARQL
Item “street address (P6375)”: Items with this property should also have “street address (P6375)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P6375, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Scope, SPARQL
Label required in languages: nl: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: nl (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Label in 'nl' language, search, SPARQL
Description required in languages: nl: Entities using this property should have descriptions in one of the following languages: nl (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Description in 'nl' language, search, SPARQL


Rijksmonument without ID
Items that do have heritage designation (P1435): Rijksmonument (Q916333) (or pre-protected Rijksmonument (Q17698911)), but not this property (Help)
Violations query: SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE { { ?item wdt:P1435 wd:Q916333 } UNION { ?item wdt:P1435 wd:Q17698911 } . MINUS { ?item wdt:P359 [] } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P359#Rijksmonument without ID
Commons sitelink should be moved
Items that have Commons category (P373) and a sitelink to Commons, but are part of another item with the same Commons category (P373), but without the sitelink (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?otheritem ?otheritemLabel ?commonscat WHERE { ?item wdt:P359 [] . ?item wdt:P361 ?otheritem . ?item wdt:P373 ?commonscat . ?otheritem wdt:P373 ?commonscat . ?article schema:about ?item . ?article schema:isPartOf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/> . FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?article schema:about ?otheritem . ?article schema:isPartOf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/> } SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "nl". } } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P359#Commons sitelink should be moved
Rijksmonument not part of complex
Items that are part of a complex, but don't have a part of (P361) to the complex (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?complex ?complexLabel WHERE { ?complex wdt:P7135 ?value; wdt:P527 ?item. MINUS { ?item wdt:P361 ?complex; wdt:P359 _:b9. } SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "nl". } } ORDER BY ?value LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P359#Rijksmonument not part of complex
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located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)[edit]

Hello @Cycn: your delete property located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) in many items: Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P359#Item P131. I removed "mandatory" flag from constraint {{Constraint:Item|property=P131}} above for now. Are we need to remove this constraint at all as invalid or we need to replace it to something else? — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 19:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Both entries were incorrect (imo). The located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) of these items, if one were to be used, should have been the municipality and not the province the municipality is in, as the municipality has its own located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) property, which is this province. So I took the province out. I took the municipality out as well as this specific municipality was abolished on 1 January 2014. I added the villages and if the property Rijksmonument ID (P359) has to have a located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) it should be the new municipality: Alphen aan den Rijn (Q213246). I think the property P1134 (P1134) would be better to be "mandatory", or that it would be mandatory to fill in at least one of those (P131 and/or P1134), if that would be possible. The villages linked with P1134 (P1134) all should have a located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), so indirectly adding a village would still link a P131, but there may be Rijksmonumenten that are not in any village, so there is something to be said to keep P131 mandatory, ie: restore its mandatory status. In this case Alphen a/d Rijn should be added as a P131 and even if it isn't mandatory it still could be added as a valid P131 to all cases I removed the incorrect P131s. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 21:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the 48 items that violated constraint {{Constraint:Item|property=P131}} by my previous actions and I restored the contraint's mandatory status. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 11:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for keeping data structure. Sorry I miss your yesterday messages. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rijksmonumentencomplex[edit]

The URL has recently been changed, because the RCE changed their links. This now does not work for Rijksmonument complex (Q13423591). I just changed the link to to search pages, so it will work for Rijksmonument (Q916333) as well as Rijksmonument complex (Q13423591). HenkvD (talk) 17:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The current URL just refers to the search page of 'Rijksmonumenten' without any referencee to the ID. I tryed changing the 'formatter URL' to 'https://cultureelerfgoed.nl/monumenten/$1' to have the link work at least for Monumentnummer Rijksmonument (Q916333), but the change was rejected. The ID for Rijksmonument Complexes Rijksmonument complex (Q13423591) doesn't seem to work with any URL anyhow. I would suggest to use the ID for Rijksmonuments Rijksmonument (Q916333) of the main monument in each complex for the reference ID. Alternatively an new property could be made specifically for 'Rijksmonument Complexes'. (Frank v P, 11 February 2018)

The links to complexes are now the name of the complex... https://cultureelerfgoed.nl/rijksmuseum why don't they use persistent identifiers. We coulsd ask them a change in the new website that complexes are resolved. --Hannolans (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hannolans, Multichill: they again changed the URL and it seems that it doesn't support Rijksmonument complex (Q13423591) this time. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not again. https://cultureelerfgoed.nl/monumentenregister?nummer=523427 works so we can use that as the formatter url. Updated it. Multichill (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That would be an option. I send them an email about this as preferrable it should go to the full text on https://cultureelerfgoed.nl/van-nellefabriek --Hannolans (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ronn, Sjoerddebruin, Hannolans: Het lijkt erop dat ze bij de RCE de boel nu weer verder stuk hebben gemaakt. En dat zijn de mensen verantwoordelijk voor het behoud van ons cultureel erfgoed, ze kunnen niet eens een paar linkjes behouden! Multichill (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Van de week mailtje gestuurd naar de RCE en kreeg meteen reactie. Ik laat het hier wel weten als daar iets uitkomt. Multichill (talk) 13:48, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Linked open data[edit]

@HenkvD, Hannolans, Sjoerddebruin, Michiel1972, Denengelse: Dit vinden jullie ook wel leuk. Tien jaar nadat we data van de RCE hebben gekregen is er nu https://linkeddata.cultureelerfgoed.nl/home . Zitten nog wel wat ruwe randjes aan, maar ziet er goed uit. Ik heb het federation verzoek gedaan dus hopelijk kunnen we vrij binnenkort de data gaan combineren. Om nog even terug te komen op het vorige onderwerp, ik zie op in het datamodel dat de RCE onderscheid maakt tussen Rijksmonumentnummer en Complexnummer. Wellicht kunnen wij ook beter hier een nieuwe property maken voor complexnummer en de boel daar naartoe verhuizen. Er zijn 2834 complexen dus dat is wel voldoende voor een property. Wat vinden jullie daarvan? Met deze query krijg je alles complexen met welke rijksmonumenten er onderdeel van zijn. Als we straks federation hebben dan knutsel ik wel even rapportje in elkaar om de afwijkingen te vinden. Zoiets als Property talk:P1006/Mismatches. De licentie is nog niet CC0 dus wacht even met (massaal) data importeren. Denk dat we in eerste instantie wel even zoet zijn met de discrepanties weg te werken. Multichill (talk) 10:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Rijksmonument complex ID. Multichill (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BAG suggestions[edit]

https://w.wiki/LiF might contain some useful suggestions. Beware, leading zero(s) might be missing. Multichill (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Instance of organ[edit]

@Romaine: ik denk niet dat deze toevoeging correct is. Een kerk is een rijksmonument vanwege het orgel. Het orgel zelf is geen rijksmonument. Dit lijstje zal nagelopen moeten worden. Zie Old Catholic Church of Sts Anne and Mary (Q3663659) als voorbeeld (waar ik het ook heb moeten herstellen). Multichill (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Multichill, Dat was vanwege Organ Toeristenkerk (Q17452760) in de Toeristenkerk, Gulpen (Q19963372). Als het klopt wat je zegt zal de Rijksmonument ID (P359) verplaatst moeten worden van de een naar de ander denk ik. De Toeristenkerk, Gulpen (Q19963372) is echter redelijk modern... Romaine (talk) 18:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Voelt wat krom hè? Daarom weet ik het nog. Er zijn bijvoorbeeld ook een aantal gebouwen aangewezen vanwege het fundament. Als dan het hele pand affikt en er iets anders op wordt gezet dan blijft het een Rijksmonument mits het fundament natuurlijk intact is gebleven.
In het geval van https://monumentenregister.cultureelerfgoed.nl/monumenten/424831 is de aanwijzing voor de kerk.
Viel me al op dat we wat dode linkjes hebben. Mijn vermoeden is dat die kerken gesloten zijn en de orgels ergens anders naartoe zijn verhuisd. Daarmee zou de status vervallen. Multichill (talk) 18:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Teruggetrokken Rijksmonumentnummers[edit]

@Sjoerddebruin, Hannolans, Akoopal, 1Veertje: ik heb weer eens naar de teruggetrokken identifiers gekeken (query). De nummertjes waren ooit correct dus het is wellicht niet 100% zuiver, maar ik denk dat we die het beste op deprecated kunnen zetten met reason for deprecated rank (P2241) -> withdrawn identifier value (Q21441764) erop. De heritage designation (P1435) naar deprecated zetten zoals in deze bewerking is niet correct en niet in lijn met Help:Ranking: Het is een Rijksmonument (geweest) alleen is de bescherming (wellicht) opgeheven. Als we het op deprecated zetten dan zeggen we dat het nooit een Rijksmonument is geweest. Ik denk dat we het beste zo kunnen oplossen. Multichill (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ik weet te weinig van de gebruiken op de wikidata maar volgens de gelinkte helppagina is deprecated niet goed inderdaad. Maar om P2241 ervoor te gebruiken, die lijkt alleen gebruikt te horen worden in combinatie met deprecated rang. Een einddatum geven lijkt de nettere optie, maar ik weet niet of we dat kunnen terugvinden. Akoopal (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ik heb het nu opgeruimd dus https://w.wiki/4we2 is nu leeg. Multichill (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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