User talk:Edoderoo/2015

Single not P31?

Hi! I just noticed that you had removed instance of (P31) → single (Q134556) here. It seems to be hard for me to understand the difference between "instance of" and "subclass of". So. Did I understood correctly that all the songs should contain "Instance of: song" and if they are also released as a single, then "Subclass of: single"? Anyway, Happy New Year! :) --Stryn (talk) 16:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

It's not clear to anyone, and everyone seems to be doing it in a different way. I found cheeses that were subclass cheese, others were instance French cheese, others were instance food and subclass cheese. The same with music, some were a composition, others a single, others a song, spread over "instance" and "subclass" and for most of them the genre will not be filled in. Most often I only fill in P31/P279, but sometimes I replace some of them, which might lead to questions. And what is better? Often that is a matter of taste as well. According to Michiel1972 above on this page, you do not even need a P31 when P279 is properly filled in, but to my idea that will not increase the searchability with the tools we have right now. But technically he is right, but we currently lack the software working that strict.

So to come back to your question: P31->song, P279->single seems fair to me, as the song will be both. Edoderoo (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@Stryn, Edoderoo: Hi :) I realise this is from half a year ago now, but I just came across some of these. I think it's wrong to say it's a subclass of single. "CD single" is a proper example of a subclass of single and it makes sense to say things like "a CD single is a type of single", "all CD singles are singles", "CD singles are a subset of singles" and "X is a CD single". It doesn't make sense to say "an Angie is a type of single", "all Angies are singles", "Angies are a subset of singles" and "X is an Angie". It also doesn't seem like other people are using subclass - there are 66248 items using instance of (P31) single (Q134556) and only 235 using subclass of (P279) single (Q134556) (some of which are correct, like CD single).

The inconsistency between "song"/"composition" and "single" is because Wikipedia does not usually make a distinction between the two and usually talks about both in the same article. I think those cases, the Wikidata item should be both instance of song and instance of single (ideally we would have separate items for the two, but that's not very realistic right now). I'm not sure what the difference between "song" and "composition" is. They are both subclasses of musical work but I would have expected song to be a subclass of composition and it's not. That's probably something to ask Wikidata:WikiProject Music about.

Would you have a problem with me changing subclass of (P279) single (Q134556) back to instance of (P31) single (Q134556)? - Nikki (talk) 10:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Nikki, for me, the best use is to have a high range value for instance of (P31) and one or a few more specific values in subclass of (P279). If your suggested changes will make more unity in all relevant wikidata-entries, please go ahead. Edoderoo (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

'beroep' op 'lijst'

Hoi, pas op, je zit 'beroep' toe te voegen op vele lijsten (bv list of mayors of Stompwijk (Q2467261)), dat kan natuurlijk niet. (En is 'burgemeester' wel een beroep, wellicht is 'ambt' betere property.) RobotMichiel1972 (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Dit was na beraad op #wikidata, omdat "is a list of" volgens de mening daar niet "mayor" maar "people" moet zijn, en "mayor" zou dan beroep. Wat zou de property voor "ambt" zijn? Edoderoo (talk) 12:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Administrator!

English | español | français | Nederlands | русский | +/−

An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our gift is better than the one at Commons or Meta)

You have your gun; now here's your badge: {{User admin}}/{{#babel:admin}} and {{Admin topicon}}. Enjoy!

Edoderoo, congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat, Wikidata:Requests for comment, and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin @ irc.freenode.net. If you need access, you can flag someone down at @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Wikidata:Guide to Adminship to be useful reading. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (Check Wikipedia:Wikidata/Wikidatans (Q14964498).)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

Hartelijk gefeliciteerd!--Ymblanter (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Late congratulations! I apologize for not !voting (I'm usually involved in every RfA here), I have so many pages in my watchlist, I must not have seen the edit to RfP/A! --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 19:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Hubert Laws

Dear Edoderoo! The Hubert Laws data-page has a bad edit. I do not know how to improve the instrument should flute, not saxophone. Sincerely, Fauvirt (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I've added saxophone from the category on :en and I see this person is a so called multi-instrumentalist. Now I've added a western concert flute as instrument, possibly he plays more instruments in the end, then those can be added as well. Edoderoo (talk) 12:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

From his homepage: "Internationally renowned flutist Hubert Laws is one of the few classical artists who has also mastered jazz, pop, and rhythm-and-blues genres; moving effortlessly from one repertory to another."..."Starting out on Piano then Mellophone and alto sax, Hubert picked up the flute in high school while volunteering to fill-in on a flute solo performance with his high school orchestra."- so he also plays on piano and alto sax but his instrument is flute... if i understand the meaning of the parameter... Fauvirt (talk) 13:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

klusje

Hoi Edo, ik doe dit te niet genoeg.

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3977706#sitelinks-wikipedia

Dank namens de gemeenschap. ;-)--Lidewij C J. (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Er was wat misgegaan ja ;-) Een persoon was geknoopt aan een lijst van personen. Op nl-wiki hebben wij (nog) geen lijst van >110 jarigen. Ik heb die Bertha losgeknoopt, en een eigen (doorverwijs)-artikel gegeven op Wikidata, want dat was wat er aan schortte. En daaromheen nog wat andere wikidata-entries bijgewerkt. Edoderoo (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Soms wordt er over/in een onderwerp een eigen invulling gegeven, die dan weer niet gelijk = met een andere taal. Waardoor pagina's in een andere taal over het zelfde onderwerp niet bereikt worden. Dat ging vroeger gemakkelijker. --Lidewij C J. (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15873904 hier zijn twee foto's bij

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anefo_910-7208_110e_verjaardag.jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anefo_910-7207_110e_verjaardag.jpg

--Lidewij C J. (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Ook d:Q15873904 aangepast. Edoderoo (talk) 16:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Film?

How is this a film? --Jobu0101 (talk) 19:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed not a film, but the article on :en has (and that is a mistake too) a category film series that caused this mistake. Edoderoo (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. --Jobu0101 (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Unknown value

Hello. I've seen you add date of birth (P569) "unknown value" (and place of birth (P19) and country of citizenship (P27)) on fictional characters for which this value isn't unknown. For example Eärendur is from Númenor. Théodred is born in 2978 Third Age (value which wikidata can't host now, but it isn't unknown). I didn't verify all your edits but every time I see you adding an "unknown value" on my watchlist, it's an error. So I would very much like if you could explain why you do this?--Harmonia Amanda (talk) 09:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to update or delete those edits if you feel that's better. For fictional characters it's tricky anyways, because often they do not have a true date/place of birth, or in case of your example it's in a system we do not (yet) support and is fictional as well. I also ran into a few ancient kings that had no known date/place of birth, then "unknown value" seemed to be the best entry as well to me. Same story for some Greek myhtology figures, that have complex family constructions defined, but no known birthdates. Edoderoo (talk) 11:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

For me "unknown value" mean that no one know the value. It's not for all the cases "well, I don't know the value because I don't know this author works so I'll write that". If you don't know if the value is known or not, don't add it. I have seen you add a "no value" on a birthplace property of a real person. Why adding that in the first place? What's the gain? "no value" is pretty good for, let's say, a single child: no brother or sister. Unknown value is good for many properties too. But adding "unknown" or "no" value should be as strict as adding a real value: you should be sure it's the real answer, if needed with a reference.

Yes, I feel free to delete your wrong edits. What worries me is that I deleted this last three days all your edits in my watchlist. I don't even understand from what lists you are working and how you decide "this will have an unknown value" because it never appears to be based on sources. I seek to understand what you are doing, which problem you are trying to solve and how that went wrong. Why are you doing this? --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 12:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Most items I've edited recently came from this list. Edoderoo (talk) 12:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Seems to me like it's a case of "the constraint are too large to be usable". I work to correct the constraint of present in work (P1441) and from narrative universe (P1080) and I prefer working with queries than with the constraint list, which has too many false positives to be usable. Maybe you could work with « claim[31:5] and claim[9] and noclaim[569] »; this should gave you a list with fewer false positives. Because seriously, if it's fictional and you don't know really well this fictional work, you shouldn't edit it. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 12:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I will for sure leave the "unknown value" alone for a while, as it is now giving more discussion than that it will solve any problem at this very moment. Edoderoo (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The Welcome Template

Hi Edoderoo! Just a quick note to remind you to use {{subst:welcome|~~~~}} when welcoming users rather than just {{welcome}}! Cheers! ·addshore· ^{talk to me!} 21:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Cyclisme/classements

Bonjour. Je vais écrire en français pour que Google Translate puisse être plus précis que moi. Je travaille à l'illustration du cyclisme et sur la version francophone de Wikipédia. Je suis en train actuellement de réfléchir à la possibilité de générer les classements des courses grâce à Wikidata, et plus généralement à l'utilisation de Wikidata dans le domaine du cyclisme (fr:Projet:Cyclisme/Wikidata). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a good idea, but I'm not sure if I can be of help. I do enter data into Wikidata, and I've heard that with Lua (a programming language) you might be able to add this info back int Wikipedia. But I'm sure you can find more technical people on Wikidata:Project chat. If that does work, I might be interested in the technique to be used on the tennis project as well. Edoderoo (talk) 20:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Merci. Nous n'en sommes qu'aux débuts, mais un jour tout fonctionnera. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Q19660194

Hoi Edo, iemand heeft voorgesteld Q19660194 te verwijderen omdat het geen link bevat. Jij hebt het gemaakt. Kun je eens kijken. Mvg, Taketa (talk) 12:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Was een artikel op de Duitse Wikinews. Ik heb de link vergeten, en nu er bijgezet. Dan hoeft het ook niet weg. Edoderoo (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Auto-block

My account was compromised during my absence. Can you enable an indefinite block to prevent further damage to wiki projects? Thanks for collaborating. --BScMScMD (talk) 00:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I see someone already blocked your account. Wasn't it easier to change your password? Edoderoo (talk) 05:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Note

Remember to wait until a Wikinews article is published before you create an item. Articles may never get accepted, rendering an item empty and useless. Cheers! :) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 16:03, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I have created a sh7+load of items indeed in the last several days, but that part is actually finished already. Right now I'm adding P31/P407 claims to *all* of them, so they won't be empty. This will take me a few more weeks, as AutoList has this time restriction of 6 edits per minute, and it hangs, preferably when I'm not around.

The way to make these entries really useful would be to add a "main subject" on them, so reasonator can link them from that main subject, but that will be a hand job that I can't do alone ;-)  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edoderoo (talk • contribs).

Ok, keep up the good work! :) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 16:23, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Q17633526

You've added several instances of Wikinews article (Q17633526) which are in fact something different: June (Q120), murder (Q132821), bandy (Q183018), dance (Q11639) and may be others. I understand that this was done according to existance of some Wikinews sitelink (probably sv?). As I can see sv-news in ns:0 should correspond to portal pages in Wikipedia. --Infovarius (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, June isn't a wikinews article too, so that one is wrong, and that's basically my mistake. I will check myself as well to see what can be repaired/improved ... Some articles had wrong sitelinks to wikinews (I got the article death penalty mentioned by mail earlier), but this sitelink is fine to me ... but P31 should not be "wikinews article", thanks for letting me know! Edoderoo (talk) 12:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

More from my watchlist: corruption (Q366), business (Q4830453), nature (Q7860), capital punishment (Q8454). Are you planning to correct them? --Infovarius (talk) 04:38, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok for Wikinews article (Q17633526). But now we have many redundant Wikimedia portal (Q4663903). --Infovarius (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Edited. Wikinews articles are on progress but not yet totally abolished from inadequate items. --Infovarius (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Technically spoken, they are a p31->wikinews article or wikinews portal, besides that, they are also something different from a wikipedia point of view. As most of the other properties do not apply to the portal/wikinews, I even believe we should remove the link to the wikinews section, and add that link to a new article. But that might need a broader discussion I think. Edoderoo (talk) 14:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, may be some discussion should be. As the initial rule of thumb for safe statements I can propose: "mark an item Wikinews article (Q17633526) or Wikimedia portal (Q4663903)" when there are only articles from Wikinews project. --Infovarius (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

What is this?

I found this edits and lots of other similar edits. This ist not good, because you connect people and other things with p407, which is only intended for published works. --Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The mistake is actually in the wiki-data item itself. Those people are connected to a wikinews-article, which "generates" the language. Instead of connecting a wikinews article to a wikidata item of a person, it should get it's own wikidata item, and be connected over the property main subject. In all those cases the wikinews article is the published work. Edoderoo (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

We don't really need the languages of Wikinews articles, the same as with Wikipedia articles, the link to the project tells the language allready. The articles are not linked because they are works, but because they have the same subject.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 13:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Imagine what will happen when another article about this subject will be created on Wikinews. Are we going to replace the current one? No, better connect them over the main subject (P921) property. Some subjects might have hundreds of WikiNews articles, in multiple languages. Edoderoo (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Edit in Gesamtkunstwerk

Hi! I see this edit in Q858403 (Gesamtkunstwerk), you "created claim: Property:P31: Q207628", which is a musical term... but the term Gesamtkunstwerk (it is also in the name) it applies to all the arts. Are you sure this claim is aright? (sorry for my english) Fauvirt (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

This happened, because the Dutch article had a wrong category on it (which I now removed): "Composition of Wagner". But this article is not a composition of Wagner ;-) Thanks for letting me know, I will check the properties again to fix. Edoderoo (talk) 09:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Ivan A. Krestinin/To merge and the structure of Tennis tournaments

Hoi Edo, jij houdt je ook veel bezig met tennistournooien zie ik. Een tijdje terug heb ik dit verhaal op de talkpagina van Jared Preston geschreven, maar het is aan jou misschien ook wel goed besteed. Het komt er op neer dat verschillende taalversies van wiki's een andere methode hebben om tennistoernooien te beschrijven en dat er nog een aantal mogelijke fouten inzitten. Als je vragen hebt, kan je ze altijd stellen natuurlijk. - FakirNL (talk) 09:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Dictionary of National Biography

I noticed that you made changes to many Dictionary of National Biography items (ie. Lovell, George William (DNB00) (Q19103122) and Lovell, Daniel (DNB00) (Q19103114)) but you mistakenly added instance of (P31): version, edition or translation (Q3331189) instead of instance of (P31): encyclopedia article (Q17329259). Hazmat2 (talk) 17:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

This was based on the Wikisource category [DNB biographies]. Most of the items that were already there were an edition but many of them could as well be a biography or encyclopdic article. Many are now classified as human which is also clearly wrong (to my idea). If you believe that all editions should become a different statement, then I can change that (with AutoList2). When some filtering is needed, it will become tricky again, unless that is done manually. Therefor feel free to overrule my changes, and let me know if I can improve it with a mass-update for a different value. Edoderoo (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for the reply! The only items that would actually use edition are the DNB items, not the article/entry items. Therefore I would say that version, edition or translation (Q3331189) should be changed to encyclopedia article (Q17329259) for everything in that category. If while you're at it you could remove the genre (it's redundant if part of (P361) is set) that would be useful also, but obviously not a big deal. Hazmat2 (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Dit you mean like this: example? If it does, this link will do the job in like 78 hours ;-) ... I have the feeling that this would indeed be better, but would like confirmation before I start. Edoderoo (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Can real objects be circles?

Like this one. Thanks in advance, --Ricordisamoa 21:28, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what to answer. Sure, the shape of a stroopwafel is a cirkel, it's not a square and it ain't the shape of a ball. Edoderoo (talk) 09:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I think Ricordisamoa means that the shape is circular (in this case also cylindrical), but it can't be a circle because it's a three-dimensional object and circles are defined as two-dimensional. Hazmat2 (talk) 11:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

right, now it starts to make sense ;-) Maybe it should just be 'round', as it's a type of cooky. But cylindrical would be technically more correct. Edoderoo (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hehe. Well it's an interesting argument to say the least, but I only wanted to explain the viewpoint. Maybe Ricordisamoa has a better thought. Hazmat2 (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I think cylinder (Q34132) makes more sense. But I honestly don't know. I have never eaten one ;-) --Ricordisamoa 21:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You can eat them, when you meet the Dutch on any Wikimania event. They are pretty flat, like 3mm in height I guess. For a mathematician, they are a cylinder shape. For non-scientists they are just round cookies. The same would apply when you cut out a circle from a piece of paper. For this cookie, a circle would do fine, but a cylinder would too. Edoderoo (talk) 07:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

If you're ever in the US, they're available at many, if not most, grocery stores. Hazmat2 (talk) 03:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Depending on which physics-cult you belive in, everything can have ten dimensions. The problem is describing the shape from dimension four and beyond. But I do not think we have to describe cookies by the help of advanced physics or math, so circel or round would be sufficient. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Of course, circle (Q17278) is a curve and cannot be real. I'd propose plane figure disk (Q238231), but cylinder is good too. --Infovarius (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Wrong edits

Hi,

I just saw that you made some wrong edits on at least Q1189, Q4618031, Q190076, Q4009428, Q253766, Q255929, Q594159, Q518566 and Q494491. All of them are linked to Wikinews articles and now have a work language, even if they are persons or buildings. I'll go ahead and revert them, but it would be great if you could check your numerous other edits for mistakes and try to refreain from making these (imho quite obvious) mistakes in the future. --Mineo (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks worse then it is. See my question earlier this afternoon in the Project chat as well. Usain Bolt should not be linked like this to a WikiNews-article, I believe the WikiNews article should be a wikidata-item by itself. They should then be linked over the "main subject" property. And then the language *does* make sense. Edoderoo (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit floods

As a general rule, making large amounts of automated edits without approval in advance is a very bad idea, especially since you flood the recent changes if you don't have a flood flag or bot flag. Additionally, you get situations where tens of thousands of bad edits have to be reverted. I'm not certain that this will happen in this case, but I think it would be a good idea to hold off on finishing your ongoing run of however many tens of thousands of edits until the current discussion is resolved. --Yair rand (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Crap...

Hi Edo, A user thought he was "helping" with a series of edits to add a series of Dutch unconnected articles to Wikidata. I asked to stop it, and I have added the damage he did to User:Romaine/Crap. This is a lot extra work, but has to be done now... :( Keep in mind that we have now many double items... Romaine (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Bummer. We can also leave them alone and sweep those items up with all the other "items with no properties filled", there are a lot more that were there in Multichill's report last month. But the ones we need to merge we better pick from this list, I'll help to spot them. Edoderoo (talk) 06:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

There is a interactive list on this URL, newest items at the end. Also, some possible merges could be listed at User:Pasleim/projectmerge/enwiki-nlwiki. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

DNB articles

Hello Edoderoo, I noticed that you added instance of (P31) -> version, edition or translation (Q3331189) to the items for DNB articles on enwikisource (e.g. Lane, Jane (DNB00) (Q19091637)). I think this is incorrect and need to be changed to instance of (P31) -> biographical article (Q19389637). Do you know how to fix this without putting in endless human work hours? Jonathan Groß (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I have filled this with AutoList2 and that is exactly the way to do that without too much effort. Once you have registered with WiDaR you can put a -P31:Q3331189 and a P31:Q19389637 on the second line. The trick will be to find the category with exactly those items, probably https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:DNB_biographies ... Let me know if you need any kind of help, when necessary I can also run this query for you. Edoderoo (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, AutList is fine, but it is somewhat slow. It takes an hour for some 200 items to get processed, while it should take only a few minutes. Jonathan Groß (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It actually does 360 changes per hour. You are right, it could do 10 changes a second, but some smart @$$3$ thought it would be fun to complain that then "the recent changes" would be filled with changes of one user. Now they are filled with WiDaR changes of 1000 users anyways. I never thought that people would even have time to check the "recent changes", as it shows no valuable information. But that is how things are going, unfortunately. There are two ways to work around this: you can start AutoList on more then one tab (in april I managed to have 30 tabs running autolist to fill in stuff for WikiNews) and that will speed things up. Another way is to just have one browser window running your AutoList-job, and you minimize it, at the end of the day the job will be done in background. Edoderoo (talk) 20:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a good workaround. I noticed that QuickStatements is faster, so I try to use it instead whenever I can. In this case, I'm not sure how I would use QS instead of AutoList2. Jonathan Groß (talk) 08:53, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Another tool for editing, sometimes is TABernacle, I prefer that for editing year numbers, serieordinals (and to find "blind spots" in sets of data). It's not automatic, but a fair help for manual editing many times. Often I use the results of AutoList to download the list of articles, to copy-paste that into TABernacle, as the WDQ-functionality of TABernacle is not that sophisticated. The few tools that I use all the time are listed on my user-page for quick reference. Edoderoo (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I just tried AutoList and before I started the batch, I noticed something that we need to fix first: Some DNB articles don't have Wikidata items for themselves but are instead linked at the corresponding person's item (e.g. Philip Barker Webb (Q1113837)). This is not how it should be. The DNB articles should be kept separate. So I think first we need to identify all person items with which this is the case, and then remove the links to enwikisource, and finally create new items for the DNB articles. Jonathan Groß (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately this is true, also for many WikiNews items, that are linked to the main subject (which also implies that we can only have one wikinews item per person/place/occurence). Every WikiNews article should have it's own entry, and be linked to other entries over the "main subject" property. The same applies to your DNB items. I'm afraid it will be a time consuming search to find all of those. Edoderoo (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be possible to automatically list all items from the DNB category which have instance of (P31) human (Q5)? Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, see here. There are currently 568 of them, probably there will be (a few) more, but this will be a good start. Edoderoo (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Is there a command to remove the enwikisource sitelinks? Jonathan Groß (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

No, AutoList does not act on the site links. It can be a manual job, or we can ask a pywikibot-owner to do the job for us. I believe there is a request page for this. Once the (anyway faulty) links are removed, we can re-create them with the creator-tool, and use AutoList to fill the basic properties. Edoderoo (talk) 09:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Very well. I'll fill a bot request and let you know when it's done. Jonathan Groß (talk) 09:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

subclass of (P279) : team time trial (Q2348250)

Hi Edoderoo. I continue my work on Wikidata, and solve problems one by one and list the solutions on User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick/Cyclisme. I notice on 1982 Tour de France, stage 5 (Q20638171) you use subclass of (P279) : team time trial (Q2348250). Do you think it is possible to use this property for individual time trial (Q2266066) and other values to create like medium mountain stage, plain stage, or mountain stage ? With the arbitrary access, it will become possible to list stages in the articles, and it will be very interesting to share our datas to be more efficient and create entries like Tour de France 1982. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Did you already have a look at User:Edoderoo/touretappe? I'm trying to complete several multi-staged cycle races on the UCI 2015 World Tour calendar as well, the recent days. For every race I create a wikidata-entry for the stage, and every stage gets 10-12 properties. I indeed use the subclass for the type of stage, as this seems to be the only available property. Until now I've used plain stage (Q20646667), hilly stage (Q20646670), mountain stage (Q20646668), prologue (Q485321), individual time trial (Q2266066), team time trial (Q2348250) and yesterday I created uphill time trial (Q20679712) as that occured in the Giro of 2011. I hope that this answers your question, if not, then let me know! Edoderoo (talk) 08:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I just create medium mountain stage (Q20680270). I wait the possibility to add distances in Wikidata, and the arbitrary access on the French Wikipedia. UCI code of cycling team (P1998) have been created few days ago. Datas from Wikidata are already in use on the French Wikipedia. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 13:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

That's good progress. What is the difference between hilly stage (Q20646670) and medium mountain stage (Q20680270)? Edoderoo (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

hilly stage (Q20646670) ssems to be a mix between plain stage (Q20646667) and medium mountain stage (Q20680270), like terrains we have for example in Belgium. medium mountain stage (Q20680270) is a mix between plain stage (Q20646667) and mountain stage (Q20646668). You have different icons in the description of c:File:Hillystage.svg.

The infobox of Trophée Matteotti 2015 use datas of 2015 Trofeo Matteotti (Q20680335) thanks to the Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste that also exist in nederlands : Module:Infobox cycling race report. I always wait for properties for classification.

I also create Module:Infobox/Cycliste for cyclists, but I don't have the solution to differenciate pro and amateur teams, and to adapt their name in function of the year (even if I start to use official name (P1448) to list and date the different names of a team along the years). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

To catch the teams, we could probably use a construction like a race with stages: the "master team" has an item, and every year they exist they get a new entry, that captures the name for that year, and the riders that are part of the team that year. When they win a team time trial, that sub-entry can be used, where we now use the master-entry that often has totally different names. We are indeed loosing information in that area, especially when teams split up or merge. Edoderoo (talk) 15:40, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

It is already the case, for exemple, Gazprom–RusVelo (Q2176791) is the master team and RusVelo 2012 (Q2356411), RusVelo 2013 (Q15882669), RusVelo 2014 (Q15882670) and RusVelo 2015 (Q19336080) are for each season. On these four items, we can list the cyclists (T.Palm-Pôle Continental Wallon 2015 (Q20033607) for exemple) and the french module permits to count them. I think I will develop this morning a function witch permits to count the number of seasons for a cycling team (it will become interesting in few month, when all items will be created). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Right now I'm doing some Vuelta's ... they also start with a team time trial ... I'll use the yearly team suffix whereever it exists from now on. Edoderoo (talk) 09:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Normally, they all exists. For english and french, you have a shortcut with the UCI code and the year, for example RVL 2015. As you can see on this diff, I add the function witch permits to count the number of seasons for a cycling team. This module is not again in use on the French Wikipédia, but this one yes, and all is working. A future work will be the possibility to list the victories, and to count them in the infobox. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

A giant step forward : Module:Infobox/Équipe cycliste has been modified by Zolo, and I activate it on the French Wikipedia, Équipe cycliste Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, Équipe cycliste 3M and Équipe cycliste T.Palm-Pôle Continental Wallon are the three first example. A big part of the datas come from Wikidata (it is not again possible for the bikes and the budget). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 17:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Count von Count (Q12345)

Hallo, je hebt bij Graaf Tel als land van origine "Netherlands" opgegeven. Waarom eigenlijk? Zou dat niet eerder Transsilvani"e moeten zijn? Groeten Z. (talk) 18:15, 12 August 2015 (UTC) (P.S.: Ik vind het trouwens opmerkelijk dat hij de data-object-nummer 12345 heeft gekregen, weet je of dat met opzet was?)

Ja, dat was opzettelijk, en inderdaad opmerkelijk. 12345 telt net zo goed als Graaf Tel ;-) Er zijn er wel meer, het artikel over leet-speak (1337) kreeg niet toevallig dat nummer, en zo zijn er nog wel meer. Douglas Adams (Q42) is ook niet heel toevallig de schrijver van een beroemd boek ;-)

Graaf Tel is niet Nederlands, maar dat is via een foute categorie door mij (samen met AutoList2) zo ingevuld. In dit geval moet zo'n property gewoon worden verwijderd (en de categorie misschien worden aangepast). Edoderoo (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, ik heb het even verwijderd. Z. (talk) 14:33, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Translations

Hi Edoderoo. I continue my work on Wikidata and my tests on the French Wikipedia. Today, I work on Module:Infobox/Étape and Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste to list via Wikidata different winners on a cycling race. First tests are good. Can you tranlate theses items ?

• overall leader at the end of the stage (Q20882763), second overall at the end of the stage (Q20882764) & third overall at the end of the stage (Q20882765)
• stage winner (Q20882747), second in a stage (Q20882748) & third in a stage (Q20882749)
• overall winner general classification (Q20882667), second overall (Q20882668) & third overall (Q20882669)

I will continue my work today, and will surely add other items. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 09:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Started translating. Edoderoo (talk) 09:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• winner of the points classification (Q20883007) & leader of the points classification (Q20883008)
• winner of the mountain classification (Q20883212) & leader of the mountain classification (Q20883213)
• winner of the sprint classification (Q20883328) & leader of the sprint classification (Q20883329)
• winner of the young rider classification (Q20883139) & leader of the young rider classification (Q20883140)
• winner of the teams classification by time (Q20882921) & leader of the teams classification by time (Q20882922)

Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I finally have winner of the combination classification (Q20893979), winner of the combativity classification (Q20893983) & leader of the combativity classification (Q20893984). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

For the different winners or leaders, the property is winner, not participant. Participant is for the lists. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 12:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC) PS : I give you this example of use : 18e étape du Tour d'Espagne 2015. The module has been created on 3rd June, but it is the first time I use it in an article. There is a documentation. When it will be finished, I will ask for translation.

Ah, yeah, that is even a better way. I'll continue to register it like that, and see where it needs to be fixed. Edoderoo (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I realise a new test about the stage of today on 19e étape du Tour d'Espagne 2015. Next stage, have the possibilité to display the number of points (maybe next week). Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

speed (P2052) has been created today, so I adapt two modules, the documentation, and do these tests. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC) PS : I create winner of the combination classification (Q20893979) today, can you translate ?

For the Wikipedia in Netherland, I adapt Sjabloon:ProCyclingStats. It uses ProCyclingStats cyclist ID (P1663) and exists in other languages. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Today I edited the German labels as mentioned above. As the labels are self-explanatory a description is not necessary. --MaxxL (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I just found 2016 Giro d'Italia. Do you think the numbers will rests the sames, or the first stage risks to become a problogue like at la Vuelta ? Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Finally, no prologues for this race. I can create items for stages.

language of work or name (P407) on Ulrich Plenzdorf (Q62334)

Hi, You added language of work or name (P407) on Ulrich Plenzdorf (Q62334) but it doesn't make any sens as language of work or name (P407) is for works, not human. Did you wanted to use native language (P103) or languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) instead ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

No, the mistake comes from the WikiNews link. Wikinews should never be linked to a person, not like this. The WikiNews article should be linked over the "main subject" property. Edoderoo (talk) 10:23, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Got it fixed, moved the wikinews to Ulrich Plenzdorf died (Q20932619). Edoderoo (talk) 10:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Nikolai Bjærum (Q20972497)

Je was iets te snel, toch bedankt dat je meeleest. Nu staat hij er dubbel in. Wil je die andere (zie zoekbalk) nog even verwijderen. Alvast bedankt,Ceescamel (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Ik heb ze samengevoegd. Ik ben vandaag bezig met het aanmaken van een deel van de 1500 wikidata-items die nog missen op de nl-artikelen, en deze stond er tussen. Voor een deel gaat dat semi-automatisch, maar deze had ik inmiddels met de hand al grotendeels gevuld. Is dus helemaal goedgekomen! Edoderoo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

P31 Q4663903

FYI: Special:Diff/211535316 among [1]. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

This item now links to many different articles. Wikipedia articles, a wikinews article, several wikiquote articles. That makes that the P31 can (or should) link to many different types, if we do not want to create separate items on Wikidata. Edoderoo (talk) 07:36, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

fr:Module:Infobox/Saison d'équipe cycliste

The last photo of my last race.

Hi Edoderoo. I just have finished my cycling season (and the last photo with Tom). I now work with datas and this morning, I go on the Dutch Wikipedia (also called Vlaamse because I essentially work in Vlaanderen for races) and I see your articles of team seasons don't have infoboxes. On the French Wikipedia, we have fr:Module:Infobox/Saison d'équipe cycliste that I can translate in Dutch thanks to Google Translate, but I don't know if the code in fr:Modèle:Infobox Saison d'équipe cycliste ({{#invoke:Infobox|build|nom=Saison d'équipe cycliste}}) will work on your Wikipedia and if not, what is the correct code.

We begin to have enought data to start small infoboxes about team articles. For cycling races, we can use only datas from Wikidata. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I launch votes for new properties about cycling. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 15:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Removing VIAF

Hi Edoderoo, may I ask why you are removing a lot of VIAF statements? At least for Breite Straße (Q19792274) (remove diff) was correct. Raymond (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I see. There was a request for this, and I believed that VIAF was actually a person identifier, but I understand from your example that there are also streets in between. The streets that I checked myself seemed to be real mismatches, therefor I started deleting them. The question now is, how can we identify what was right, and what was wrong. Or should I just revert all my edits, inclusive the wrong ones? Edoderoo (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I have not checked other edits, but the only one I was was this one where the VIAF ID was correct. There may have been an issue with Dutch streets -that were the initial requests- but for streets outside the Netherlands, it seems indeed that it should be reverted. --Zolo (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for checking your edits. As already said, at least the VIAF for streets in Cologne, Germany, were correct and I have reverted some of your edits now. Raymond (talk) 09:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, WiDaR-edits can alway be reverted, no issue. Edoderoo (talk) 09:15, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Weird bot description

Hi, it seems something was messed up about the country in the description [2] [3]. --Zolo (talk) 08:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks I got my first job of repair work here ;-) I will take care of this, thanks for letting me know. Edoderoo (talk) 08:53, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Edits

Hello, i don't have the slightest idea about why it was happened--Cojan (talk) 16:45, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Do you know if you did something manually around the item Rangen on WikiData? Or did you use any tool on another wiki that did these edits in your name on WikiData? Once we know where such edits were generated, we know the spot that needs repairing. There are more users that cause the same error, therefor I believe it is not something you did on purpose, but has happened as a side effect somewhere else. Edoderoo (talk) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Q350176

Kan je tegen je botje vertellen dat hij additive (Q350176) moet negeren. Dat is geen DP. Mbch331 (talk) 10:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Jij baseert je op WDQ zie ik, alleen die is niet up-to-date. Die gebruikt verouderde data. Magnus is al op de hoogte, die kon echter de dump van 16-11 niet importeren en wacht op de dump van 23-11. Mbch331 (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ik zal mijn bot dan gelijk stoppen. Ofwel moet ik het script updaten dat hij een dubbel-check doet dat P31 nog steeds "wikimedia-doorverwijspagina" geeft, of ik moet wachten tot Magnus zijn dump heeft bijgewerkt. Liefst allebei ;-) Weer wat geleerd! Edoderoo (talk) 10:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Of je bouwt je bot om dat hij SPARQL gebruikt. (Vraag me niet wat de correcte SPARQL query is, want ik ben nog niet echt thuis in SPARQL.) Mbch331 (talk) 10:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Als jij mij kunt doorverwijzen naar een voorbeeld-script met SPARQL of iets van documentatie, dan wil ik daar wel eens naar kijken. Ik was al als een kind zo blij dat ik een WDQ-query vanuit Python kon maken, maar andere/betere mogelijkheden zijn altijd interessant. Edoderoo (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Op https://query.wikidata.org/ staan in een dropdown voldoende voorbeeld query's. Goede documentatie heb ik nog niet kunnen vinden, anders had ik al veel makkelijker SPARQL query's kunnen bouwen. Mbch331 (talk) 12:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)