Property talk:P123

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publisher
organization or person responsible for publishing books, periodicals, printed music, podcasts, games or software
Representspublisher (Q2085381), publisher (Q2516866)
Data typeItem
Domainrule (Q1151067), ranked list (Q80793969), portfolio (Q79509036), license scheme (Q95107111), certification (Q374814), software (Q7397), manifestation (Q286583), group of manifestations (Q17538690), book (Q571), game (Q11410), musical work/composition (Q105543609), video game series (Q7058673), group of musical works (Q115473170), group of video games often treated as a singular game (Q116779426), online publication (Q1714118), slide show (Q904997), program compilation (Q62651817), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), digital artistic drawing (Q97180164), telematics service (Q124030631), checklist (Q106140535), chapter (Q1980247) or literary work (Q7725634)
ExampleThe Oxford English Dictionary (Q44996) → Oxford University Press (Q217595)
StarCraft (Q165929) → Blizzard Entertainment (Q178824)
The New York Times (Q9684) → A. G. Sulzberger (Q24743245)
Huck Hodge (Q1633717) → Riverside Modern Editions (Q101242926)
Robot and gadget jobsSee Maintenance requests below
Tracking: sameno label (Q42533313)
Tracking: differencesno label (Q55283227)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P123 (Q20989980)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q29109786)
See alsopublication date (P577), place of publication (P291), printed by (P872), director of publication (P10308)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total945,624
Main statement622,93965.9% of uses
Qualifier36,6563.9% of uses
Reference286,02930.2% of uses
Search for values
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200), Wikibase MediaInfo (Q59712033), Wikibase lexeme (Q51885771), Wikibase property (Q29934218): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Scope, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (publisher (P123)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Contemporary, SPARQL
Type “rule (Q1151067), ranked list (Q80793969), portfolio (Q79509036), license scheme (Q95107111), certification (Q374814), software (Q7397), manifestation (Q286583), group of manifestations (Q17538690), book (Q571), game (Q11410), musical work/composition (Q105543609), video game series (Q7058673), group of musical works (Q115473170), group of video games often treated as a singular game (Q116779426), online publication (Q1714118), slide show (Q904997), program compilation (Q62651817), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), digital artistic drawing (Q97180164), telematics service (Q124030631), checklist (Q106140535), chapter (Q1980247), literary work (Q7725634)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “rule (Q1151067), ranked list (Q80793969), portfolio (Q79509036), license scheme (Q95107111), certification (Q374814), software (Q7397), manifestation (Q286583), group of manifestations (Q17538690), book (Q571), game (Q11410), musical work/composition (Q105543609), video game series (Q7058673), group of musical works (Q115473170), group of video games often treated as a singular game (Q116779426), online publication (Q1714118), slide show (Q904997), program compilation (Q62651817), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), digital artistic drawing (Q97180164), telematics service (Q124030631), checklist (Q106140535), chapter (Q1980247), literary work (Q7725634)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Type Q1151067, Q80793969, Q79509036, Q95107111, Q374814, Q7397, Q286583, Q17538690, Q571, Q11410, Q105543609, Q7058673, Q115473170, Q116779426, Q1714118, Q904997, Q62651817, Q3331189, Q97180164, Q124030631, Q106140535, Q1980247, Q7725634, SPARQL
Value type “organization (Q43229), human (Q5), publisher (Q2085381), software developer (Q183888), newspaper (Q11032), periodical (Q1002697), website (Q35127), samizdat (Q152416), publisher (Q2516866), brand (Q431289), radio station (Q14350), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), government agency (Q327333), television channel (Q2001305), YouTube channel (Q17558136), business register (Q1428914), governing body (Q895526), group of awards (Q107655869), imprint (Q2608849), group of humans (Q16334295)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value organization (Q43229), human (Q5), publisher (Q2085381), software developer (Q183888), newspaper (Q11032), periodical (Q1002697), website (Q35127), samizdat (Q152416), publisher (Q2516866), brand (Q431289), radio station (Q14350), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), government agency (Q327333), television channel (Q2001305), YouTube channel (Q17558136), business register (Q1428914), governing body (Q895526), group of awards (Q107655869), imprint (Q2608849), group of humans (Q16334295) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Value type Q43229, Q5, Q2085381, Q183888, Q11032, Q1002697, Q35127, Q152416, Q2516866, Q431289, Q14350, Q56061, Q327333, Q2001305, Q17558136, Q1428914, Q895526, Q107655869, Q2608849, Q16334295, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): album (Q482994)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
None of CNN.com (Q12217473): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: CNN (Q48340) (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#none of, SPARQL
None of Steam (Q337535): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: Valve Corporation (Q193559) (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#none of, SPARQL
None of DMM.com (Q117768884): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P123#none of, SPARQL
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

 
work
version, edition or translation
Scan
Catalogs
Classification
 
Wikidata properties related to reference (Q121769)
Main
Date
URL
Others
Wikidata properties related to game (Q11410) and video game (Q7889)
All games
Traditional games
Video games
Video game series/franchises
Video game hardware
Video game mods
Wikis

Discussion[edit]

What about Comic Book Series?[edit]

Individual comic books are subclasses of book. However, a comic book series closely resembles magazines/periodicals. Would it be reasonable to add that to the constraints? One could also choose to subclass comic book series under "periodical literature." Ruthbrarian (talk) 23:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance requests[edit]

List here some automated requests that you may find useful for maintaining this property:

Book publisher[edit]

Why only books? 86.44.163.139 21:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've add "property only for books", since the English word "publisher" has different meanings. In other languages the label of the property is "book publisher". --Kolja21 (talk) 21:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A book being defined as what? Danrok (talk) 09:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would make sense to at least include publisher of periodical, publisher of newspaper and publisher of magazine. If a language has separate words for each of these, well, the intention could perhaps be explained in the description while having all variants as aliases. --whym (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That make sense. We could add "print media" or write "books, journals, and newspapers". --Kolja21 (talk) 00:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is this property still exclusively used for print media, or does it include software as the description suggests? --Wylve (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It could now also be used for software and similar. --#Reaper (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
book publisher (Q1320047) has subclass of (P279) with publisher (Q2085381). An encyclopedia edition is a written work (Q47461344) and has a publisher (Q2085381). That might be a pure book publisher (Q1320047) or one publishing anything else as well. So why this constraint warning in Brockhaus Enzyklopädie (21 ed.) (Q923767) e. g.? Vollbracht (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why not calendar publishers[edit]

I’m going through a lot of printed calendars by companies such as Brown & Bigelow (Q4976009). An example is on Top of the World (Q93457275). On this record, I could call Brown and Bigelow a printer, but the thing they did was akin to what a book publisher does—choose a product that will sell (images in this case), purchase them, copyright them, lay them out, print them, market them and sell them. They are listed as a publisher too. However, I get an error, 

type constraintHelp Discuss
Entities using the publisher property should be instances of one of the following classes (or of one of their subclasses), but Top of the World currently isn't:
version, edition, or translation
rule
document
video game
periodical
record chart
musical composition
editorial collection
game
video game series
...“

_Jacqke (talk) 00:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Imprint or company?[edit]

Should the imprint be used, or should the company behind the imprint be used for this property? —Wylve (talk) 04:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK most (all?) libraries are using the imprint. I do the same. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing a database[edit]

Example Swedish Census 1880 (Q49213654) we have a Census for Sweden published on the net question can I use publisher for the organisation publishing it? - Salgo60 (talk) 07:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Person vs. organization[edit]

It seems to me that (at least, for newspapers) this property should only refer to a person. In the newspaper world as I know it, "publisher" is a job title, and a very important one at that; and it would not be played by an organization. I believe there's an intent here to capture that, for instance, the New York Times Company owns the Boston Globe, which is worthwhile information to capture; but isn't Property:P127 ("owner") sufficient for this? -Pete F (talk) 21:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do I understand that you're asking for a new item "publisher" (newspaper/periodical executive) in addition to "publisher (Q2516866): person heading a publishing company or who publishes media" and "publisher (Q2085381): company that prints and distributes pressed goods or electronic media", and a separate property for this type of publisher? I see a possible need - for example, en:The Hollywood Reporter has an infobox with "publisher: Lynne Segall" whereas Wikidata's The Hollywood Reporter (Q61503) has <publisher> Prometheus Global Media. Clearly some sort of disambiguation is required here. - PKM (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not strongly in favor of any specific solution, but I wanted to highlight the problem and see what others think. But here is what I think makes most sense for newspapers:
  1. Change the instructions on this property to say that for newspapers, this property should be a person.
  2. The company that owns a newspaper (e.g., Prometheus Global Media in your example) should be identified with Property:P127, and I think that is enough.
It's possible that this scheme won't work so well for other kinds of publications. Maybe it's important for an academic journal's owner to be identified as a "publisher" -- I'm not sure. I agree with your assessment of the Q statements, and I think aligning the P properties as described above would be an improvement. Does that make more sense? -Pete F (talk) 01:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

written work (Q47461344)[edit]

Shouldn't Q47461344 be included as a type constraint? --YaguraStation (talk) 09:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Publisher of ‘Change request’ or ‘Rule’[edit]

Could publisher (P123) be allowed on instances of change request (Q255104) or rule (Q1151067)? Currently, publisher (P123) of ISO 639-3 change request 2008-040 (Q61639834) gets flagged as type constraint violation. — Sascha (talk) 08:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Publisher for "word list"[edit]

If I define an item, that is an instance of "word list" (Q91828006), and try to define publisher (P123) on it, I get "type constraint violation". Is it possible to add "word list" (or any list) as possible candidate for having a "publisher" defined? What would be the way to progress this? --62mkv (talk) 15:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to add language?[edit]

How can I add the term for ARY Wikipedia? -- Ideophagous on 13 April 2021 at 22:12 UTC+2

Publisher doesn't apply for works, only for editions[edit]

If a work has many editions on different languages, shall we state all possible publishers? I don't think so. If we want to state a publisher of the first edition, then we create an edition of the work and state the publisher there. Not on the work item. --Алексей Скрипник (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I have removed literary work (Q7725634) and written work (Q47461344) and added version, edition or translation (Q3331189). --Fantastoria (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the vast majority of books that only had one publisher in one language, it seems much better to assign a publisher to the creative work, rather than expect WD will create book entries for them all. This error flag will just dissuade entering publication information Vicarage (talk) 06:49, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We need better UI to work with works and their editions. Currently it's rather exhausting to create an edition item, link it to the corresponding work item and only then add claims like publisher, ISBN or number of pages to that edition item. But I believe in long term it's better to not mix works and editions together. Even if you absolutely sure that some book has only one edition today, tomorrow the book can be translated in some other language or republished in the same language in extended and revised edition, or released as a e-book or audiobook. These editions will have some common properties, but some will be different. Алексей Скрипник (talk) 21:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@User:NicoScribe Does the advice mean that sole edition, single publisher works can be instance of (P31) of both literary work (Q7725634) and book (Q571) at the same time, to avoid creating 2 items? Vicarage (talk) 17:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Vicarage thank you for the notification. I am sorry, I had not seen this talk before, so I have canceled my edit: [1]. I do not know the answer to your question. --NicoScribe (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gender neutral labels in French[edit]

Following this request for comments, we should find a gender neutral form for the French label.

Since editors are often organizations, I'm not sure that it is relevant to use male and female form ("éditeur ou éditrice"). It may be better to use the verbal form ("édité(e) par"). What do you think? PAC2 (talk) 05:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PAC2: cette propriété avait pour libellé originel en français "maison d'édition", cela a été changé en "éditeur" par Arpyia et Ash Crow, puis re-changé en "maison d'édition" par Hsarrazin, puis "édité(e) par" par PAC2, puis "édité par" par Ayack puis enfin en "publié par" par Hsarrazin (j'en ai peut-être oublié).
Au final peu me chaut le choix mais je préférerai si on pouvait éviter de trop souvent changer le libellé (et sans vraiment en discuter en plus). Attention aussi à ne pas entretenir la confusion avec editor (P98) (dont le libellé a aussi fait couler beaucoup d'octets).
Cdlt, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 13:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
bonjour,
dans l'immense majorité des cas, cette propriété appelle une société (maison d'édition) - jusqu'au début du 19e siècle, on a affaire aux imprimeurs-libraires, donc il est autorisé de mettre une personne, mais c'est l'exception, pas la règle...
l'utilisation d'une mention "gender-neutral" est sans objet, car à ma connaissance, les maisons d'éditions n'ont pas de genre... - sauf littéraire ;)
par ailleurs, j'ai remplacé "édité par" par "publié par" parce qu'un très grand nombre de francophones ne font pas du tout la différence entre l'édition scientifique et l'édition commerciale... et qu'il est extrêmement pénible de devoir repasser sur des tas d'éléments incorrectement renseignés à cause de ça...
en anglais, il n'y a aucune ambiguité, du fait que c'est "publisher" et "editor" -> j'ai voulu désambiguiser cette propriété par rapport à editor (P98)
personnellement, je trouvais "maison d'édition" non ambigu, et je n'ai pas compris les modifications récentes, qui n'ont fait qu'ajouter à la confusion puisqu'on en vient à discuter de "gender neutral"...
c'est pourquoi je propose
  • soit le retour à "maison d'édition",
  • soit "publié par", afin que la fonction concernée soit bien distincte de "édité par" (qui correspond à la fonction scientifique)
Hsarrazin (talk) 15:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Un éditeur peut être une société. "Maison d'édition" est utilisé dans l'industrie du livre mais pas du tout dans celles du logiciel ou du jeu vidéo, qui rentrent également dans le scope de cette propriété. "Publié par" me va en revanche. Edit: et je ne pense pas que ça vaille le coup de genrer les formes passives. C'est l'élément (enfin son sujet) qui est "publié par". -Ash Crow (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published works[edit]

How shall we model self-published works on Wikidata? When there is a Wikidata item for the author, then both author (P50) and publisher (P123) can be set to that Wikidata item. However, for authors not on Wikidata, this is not possible. This is primarily an issue for references, where the author has a higher probability of lacking notability. Options:

  1. Add an item for the author in every case.
  2. Set publisher (P123) = one of author (Q482980), self-publishing (Q1568650), self-published work (Q28750955), self-publishing company (Q149985)
  3. Set publisher (P123) = no value Help
  4. Omit publisher (P123) statement

Does anyone have preferences about which of these options is best? Daask (talk) 18:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that self-publishing (Q1568650) or self-published work (Q28750955) make sense as values for this property. But whether to use author (Q482980) or self-publishing company (Q149985) may depend on the work. Ironically, some self-published works are published through a "self-publishing" company or organization. However, many are not. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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