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Properties on Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) items[edit]

Is there a WikiProject guideline or past discussion that details what properties should be used with these items? There have been many recent batches that added country (P17) to thousands of list items (example: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q115767416&diff=2141785849&oldid=1986343405), and has part(s) (P527) is often used too. My understanding is that instance of (P31), is a list of (P360) and category related to list (P1754) are pretty much the only ones that should be used? Xezbeth (talk) 09:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think P361 and P527 are correct in lists such as list of aircraft beginning with M (Q6605098) where a list is on multiple pages and the parts are sections of a list, or a list is composed of multiple lists; not sure about Gallery of the Royal Saxon milestones (Q1491902) where the parts are members of the list. Peter James (talk) 12:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, Wikidata is quite open with different properties being used and I can't think of an example where I would say that only a few properties can be used. Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) itself does have a few properties for this type (P1963) statements which suggests that country (P17) is quite proper. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The item is supposed to be specifically about the Wikipedia list and not what is actually being listed. How can a non-physical arbitrary list of stuff be physically in a given country? —Xezbeth (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xezbeth The property P17 is not only for things physically located in a given country. It has a wider usage in Wikidata, close to "pertains to (country)" Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've always used country (P17) as a qualifier on is a list of (P360) rather than directly on the item. - Nikki (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

area = 15.476046301239837 km²[edit]

Some municipalities in Norway, e.g. Grimstad (Q90590), Ullensaker (Q57917) (I would suspect most, if not all in municipality of Norway (Q755707) [1]) have in their area (P2046) truly precise values, I checked one, it was by User:Jeblad (bot) not active any more. Now 15.476046301239837 km² = 15476046.30124 m² or 154760463012.4 mm². What is demonstrated here, is a deep non-understanding of sound measurements and sound realistic precisions in a physical context. There are refs, but they lead to a general page (maybe someone can check whether these figures are from that website). Nobody can measure the area of ice (Q23392), snow (Q7561), glacier (Q35666), lake (Q23397), river (Q4022), forest (Q4421), bog (Q1681353) to that precision (fractions of square mm). And if, you have to give the timestamp in fractions of millisecs. Does Wikidata have an educational mission? Should we copy the dumbness of the world into wikidata? Copying data 1:1 from any source might be convenient, but rounding to that extent cannot be the burden of the user of these data. IMHO we need defined maximum precisions in certain contexts, that make sense in the context and are applied automatically at least when showing, returning, etc these values (e.g. lengths of rivers, areas of communities, heights of mountains, lengths of coast lines, etc. etc.). Adding error intervals in general would be great. An area of a community, parts of the community, can be measured quite accurately from satellite, but fraction of square mm is beyond anything. Rounding need not skip any decimals, but just keep them in the intestines. Not showing, not returning.

Let me compare this to coordinate location (P625), where you can at least define a precision, but the default precision is Spezial (±1e-8°) (which makes me also wonder). At least you can define the precision, alas this will round / truncate the figures. best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand precision issues well, but I can't be bothered to pick a sensible number of decimal places when copying someone else's values into coordinate location (P625), often because they are the result of a calculation. I expect areas are the same. I always assume a bot will sort it out. When I query the same data I do apply a sig fig filter before displaying it because it bugs me like it does you. But an education campaign and obsession over the raw data seems misplaced. Perhaps WD could have user preferences for display precision. Vicarage (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Land Surveying, points are rarely assumed to be precise to any more than a millimeter; usually with 2 centimeters is considered accurate for as-builts. To avoid loss of possibly correct data, while rounding to a reasonable degree, I think all locations should be rounded to either the nearest centimeter or, better, a millimeter. That's likely overkill for most applications (especially geological features). Especially for the area of a polygon, if you're using decently accurate GPS to shoot the circumference (+- 2cm), your base uncertainty is +-4 cm in each direction, so 8cm^2 uncertainty at a minimum for a 4 point rectangle. Assuming the Surveyor was very diligent and took shots at all the key points along irregular sections, your uncertainty is going to be measured in meters by the time you've surveyed even a pond. DoubleCritch (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new item was deleted, I need help with undeleting it and unblocking my user[edit]

@User:Pi.1415926535

I recently uploaded a few items on wikimedia commons and wikidata.

It was marked as spam and deleted.

One was a page about an award winning author, a media company that supports Non profits and a healthcare agency.

There was no sign of advertising or soliciting.

I'm a new user, please help me navigate to unblock and undelete the posts.

Thank You PRWithSagar (talk) 08:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One generally starts by asking the person deleting for an undeletion. You can find more information at Wikidata:Guide to requests for undeletion, Commons have their own policies. I note that your talk page privileges were disabled on Commons, which is something that's usually not done at least on Wikidata unless the talk page have been abused or there is reason to suspect that it will be. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Commons blocking policy says, "Only prevent the blocked user from using their talk page or sending e-mail if they are likely to abuse these privileges." I don't see any indication of that in this case, but maybe I'm missing something. Regardless, we can't do anything about a Commons block here. Bovlb (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bovlb and Infrastruktur: See my reply here. TL;DR: spammers tend to abuse talk page access to continue spamming unless it is preemptively revoked. The Commons uploads were blatantly promotional. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ping @Ymblanter as deleting admin of Q125808243, Q125808543, Q125808616. At first glance, deletion was probably warranted (lack of notability) --Emu (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also cross-wiki spam according to the nomination. Ymblanter (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed the three deleted items. None established notability. This appeal does not add any information that would establish notability. Bovlb (talk) 16:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #626[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-05-06.
Translations are available.

Discussions

Events

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • Wikidata periodic table - Tool by User:Ricordisamoa, to browse all chemical elements available on Wikidata, with atomic number, chemical symbol, and localized label. It also includes two charts of the nuclides, with links to every isotope in Wikidata, colored by half-life or decay mode.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

  • A new UI mode is available for the online validator for EntitySchemas. It represents validation reports as a table rather than a very long string, and replaces most links with hyperlinks with some of the text behind them; making them easier to read. Currently being tested at https://shex-validator.toolforge.org/packages/shex-webapp/doc/shex-simple-improved.html, we are looking for participants to evaluate this tool. Some experience with editing Wikidata is appreciated, but no experience working with Schemas is required. If you are interested, you can sign up here. We hope to begin interviews around May 13. For more details, visit User:M.alten.tue

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

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Development

  • We attended the Wikimedia Hackathon.
  • REST API: We are finishing the route for creating an Item (phab:T342990) and modify the data of a Property (phab:T347394)
  • EntitySchemas: We are continuing the work on creating the new datatype to link to EntitySchemas in statements (phab:T214884)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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· Unsubscribe · Help translate · MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources on inferrence/reconciliation of property from a "parent" item[edit]

Hello! I asked some questions here (Old revision of Wikidata:Project_chat) and it's been a while.

As a recap, I wanted to develop a bot to add IDs on episodes and series, starting with Trakt.tv ID (P8013). I have outlined a good enough process that should result in very small error, if not zero errors. It will miss some, but that doesn't matter as I can do manual work.

One problem that I haven't solve it is what source/reference to put in. As it is a must to add a source for such bots, I have tried to find it out, but I'm still not sure. Some ideas of me:

Can anyone help me on figuring out what source to add? If anyone can help me with this, I would appreciate it. Hans5958 (talk) 04:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hans5958 I usually do not add references to statements for identifiers reconciled in this manner. Every reconciliation is different and it is difficult to precisely represent the 'reconciliation method' using properties such as based on heuristic (P887), so I usually give up. It won't hurt to add based on heuristic (P887) : inferred from title (Q69652283) but that's just one part of your reconciliation process. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vojtěch Dostál Thanks for the response (again)! I haven't thinking on doing inferred from title (Q69652283), but I don't think I would use it, since the title is not necessarily the primary resource (I think it would be Trakt.tv ID (P8013), but correct me if I wrong about the reconciliation in Wikidata.
Also, so you are saying I can get away with it no source at all? Hans5958 (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hans5958 I would say that most IDs in Wikidata have no meaningful reference. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vojtěch Dostál Ah, you have a point. I would put your considerations on mind. Thanks for the insight, once again. For the note, I would still wait for other repsonses from other contributors. Hans5958 (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing several descriptions quickly[edit]

Is there a way of making the same change to multiple articles, like AWB on wikipedia? The main issue is that at some point multiple women's sport articles got the description "football tournament season" see history on 2001 NCAA Women's Water Polo Championship. It would be super cool if I could grab a wikipedia category and enter a description for all the entries. It would be extra neat if I could add properties that are identical for all the entries at the same time, like "instance of" and "sport". Not worth requesting a bot with batches of only 45 entries at most. Any ideas? or just keep plugging along? Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

maybe Help:QuickStatements? or probably a better fit is Wikidata:PetScan BrokenSegue (talk) 06:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did try PetScan but I'm at a loss how to link things up between the two projects. I'll read the manual and see if I can find an answer. Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a large batch edit project last summer, and I found Openrefine very helpful for updating labels. I used the query service to get a csv of the people and Wikidata IDs that I was looking for, then I loaded it into Openrefine, reconciled with Wikidata, and made my edits. I think the hardest part was making a schema so Wikidata understood what I was trying to put back in. I'm not an expert so I wouldn't really be able to walk you through it, but that page has some documentation that may be helpful. Mcampany (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Biodiversity Atlas India properties[edit]

Birds of India ID (P7536), Moths of India ID (P7538) and Odonata of India ID (P7540) have stopped working after their respective sites changed how species pages work. They have abandoned numerical codes in favor of a "genus-species" code. For example, Rimator malacoptilus (Q1587719) has the ID 1724, which is supposed to link to https://www.birdsofindia.org/Rimator-malacoptilus. Unfortunately, the old IDs do not redirect to the new pages. Boylarva99 (talk) 17:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boylarva99 Has the author of the property proposals been notified? I guess that would be the first step. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please fix[edit]

The enwiki sitelink for Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Q174156) is now pointing at the redirect due to some disruption which was unknowingly spread here. 115.188.127.196 04:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it; it now points to w:King of Malaysia. Kk.urban (talk) 04:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do with redirects?[edit]

Hello. I'm fairly experienced at Wikidata but there's one thing I don't know. I work at French Wikipedia and lately I've created a few redirects, for categorization purposes, for articles that don't yet exist at frwiki. For example: the Canadian documentary Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story which has the English wiki article Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370). On the French side, I have created this categorized redirect fr:Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story. So should I create a Wikidata item for that, as a redirect, or just add it as the French entry at Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370)? thanks, Shawn à Montréal (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a sitelink to Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370) would be best. You'll need to add a redirect badge at the same time, in case you've not done this before — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Thanks. Shawn à Montréal (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Odia (Odia (Q16290870))[edit]

Is it okay to have a single entry that is both a family name (family name (P734)) and given name (given name (P735)), or should it be split? Eastmain (talk) 02:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC) query repaired. Eastmain (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EastmainThey should be 2 separate entities. RVA2869 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge request: Britski's catfish[edit]

Britski's catfish (Q357243) is older and has 14 wikipedia articles connected to it. Corydoras britskii (Q28599144) refers to the same species of fish. Can someone merge the two, please? Thanks. Mateussf (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New to this site[edit]

Hi everyone I'm new to this site. And i don't really understand the wkidata thing how it operate

@Muni 41.121.89.127 15:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinate Me 2024 German Dashboard[edit]

I got curious about this event you hosted however I see that basically all the entries in the German Dashboard are already filled with coordinates. Where can I find missing ones or what do you recommend me to edit after that? I'm not quite sure what to do if all the coordinates are already entered. Cartermachiavelli (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might have better luck asking at Wikidata talk:Events/Coordinate Me 2024/Participate/de. CC@User:Manfred Werner (WMAT) Bovlb (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ping, Blvb!
@Cartermachiavelli, two things: First, the contest is not just about adding coordinates. As it says, underlined to emphasize it, on the page with the rules (en, de): You don't necessarily have to change the geocoordinates, other changes to the item also count! / Du musst nicht unbedingt die Geokoordinaten ändern, auch andere Änderungen an dem Artikel zählen! Second, you may find items within the scope of the contest (objects that have or could have coordinates) through the example queries and hints we prepared: in English or auf Deutsch. --Manfred Werner (WMAT) (talk) 21:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Data models pages[edit]

Hi. While studying the overall architecture of guidelines I have discovered the pages related to the concept of Wikidata:Data model. It's quite ironic that even within such "model" pages, there's a lack of uniformity, even in their titles. This is not an optimal situation for a platform which relies on increasing quality of its metadata.

To address this issue (and I suppose also partially streamline a possible long-due standardization process), User:Epìdosis and I have proposed a more complete categorization. You can now find all the alternative names that we have categorized listed here.

Additionally, I've shared a preliminary draft of a future navbox on this talk page.

While this task isn't easy, it's certainly necessary. It's not a priority for me at the moment and I may not have the time to tackle it completely or quickly (honestly I cannot say I wish to do so, it was just time to reduce this ongoing "chaos"), but if there are no objections or alternative suggestions, I plan at least to proceed with finalizing the navbox over the next few months. This should provide a more comprehensive overview and help reduce the inconsistency over the next years. Alexmar983 (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Baby Inc. (Q107327507)[edit]

Any complaints if i move the photos back to image (P18)? Trade (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the images don't depict the subject do they? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't knew the CEO/COO were someone else Trade (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought those were people? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Long-term vandalism 62.43.191.154[edit]

Found at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q30541537&diff=1905583343&oldid=1901236773

Each day edits are made from this IP there seems to be vandalism involved https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/62.43.191.154 Rostworowski (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rostworowski his last edit was on 24 April 2024. Hence - stale request. Next time please post vandalism-related messages to Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard Estopedist1 (talk) 07:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New-Q5 tool errors[edit]

I'm not sure who (or how) to contact the developer directly, but the very useful New Q5 tool has recently been failing for me. It works just fine when adding data to existing items, but when it comes to creating new items, it fails to provide crucial elements of QuickStatements code, e.g. "CREATE", "P31=Q5", and fields for labels and descriptions. The admin/developer appears to be VDK, but I cannot find a Wikimedia contact and am not on GitHub. If anyone could ping the user VDK, or implement a fix, please do so. Thanks! -Animalparty (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little disturbing that this tool doesn't point people at our notability policy or urge them to avoid duplicates. Compare with the first line of Special:NewItem. Bovlb (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like most aspects of Wikidata, it's not perfect but it (usually) works, and most people who would make best use of it probably don't know where to find it. It's great for adding referenced birth dates, and not needing to be a CS major to use. -Animalparty (talk) 23:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would guess that most people who find the tool already have an understanding of our policies. I would only see a need to specifically point that out if we see problematic creations with the tool and not apriori. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ping @1Veertje RVA2869 (talk) 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Animalparty,
Sorry about the bug, I had already noticed it myself but it's nice to hear from someone who uses it. I've added my userpage on meta to my GitHub account to avoid confusion in the future. You might need to do a hard refresh of your browser (Shift+F5) for the CSS and JS to update. I've added a notice to the top of the page with a reference to notability standards and the tool's README. Before I updated that only reading the code would have revealed the hidden feature that it can calculate what "last Friday" was in relation to the publication date of the given reference. I went the extra mile and made it so users who are familiar with the tool don't get that notice by storing its "closed" state in a cookie. 1Veertje (talk) 15:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding a note about notability. Is it possible to track the edits that are made with this tool, say with a tag? Bovlb (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Network or Service Problems[edit]

When the service is fluctuating or absence for some days as in many towns in Nigeria how could someone edit or create a page? Rabiu tijjani (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is overthrowing the government of Nigeria cheaper than getting Starlink? Infrastruktur (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Search priority[edit]

Hello,

for a while I have been wrapping my head around how Wikidata prioritizes entities when performing text search on the main Wikidata page (the input box in the right upper corner, e.g. why when writing human the results show human (Q5) on the first line and not something different). I have made a comment few weeks back, and was made familiar that Wikidata uses Elastic Search and probably this is the code mirror repository. I have been looking into it and found profile config files. But I still don't quite understand.

There are profiles for the EntitySearch and EntityPrefixSearch, which to my understand should be the main queries when performing search. Then there are the rescore config files, to my understanding rescore in Elastic is performed on results yilded by the main query. Looking into the files, the rescore functions prioritize entities that have many incoming links and sitelinks (two saturation functions with weights 0.6 and 0.4 while weight of query is 1 and weight of rescore query is 1, the final score should be sum of those scores), but I could not find where the rescore functions are used and whether there are more used somewhere (e.g. appending to a chain of rescore functions). Furthermore, the Elastic bm25 scores are not normalized to [0,1], is there some normalization step before rescoring? Since the rescore with incoming and sitelinks is in the interval [0,1].

Is there someone who would be please willing to explain the process step by step? Martin Gora (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin Gora: I don't think the developers are regularly checking this board. Maybe try Wikidata:Report a technical problem? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But “I’m curious how this works” is hardly a technical problem IMHO. (Also, given that it’s search-related, Wikidata:Report a technical problem/WDQS and Search would be a slightly better fit than the parent page.)
@Martin Gora: The search team holds monthly “Talk to the Search Platform / Query Service Team” open meetings (usually on the first Wednesday of each month; see May announcement), I think those would be a good venue for your question. Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 09:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #627[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-05-13.
Please help Translate.

Discussions

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

· Unsubscribe · Help translate · Mohammed Abdulai (WMDE) (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Land Acknowledgement Statements[edit]

Is there an agreed upon method for making a statement for land acknowledgements to indigenous people, tribes, and nations? I've only managed to find an example on Q239303, but it utilizes the "of" property that I understand is being phased out. I am looking for a way to state that a building or campus is located on the territory and ancestral lands of a specific tribe. Is there already a way, and if not, how can one be created? Apologies if this is not the correct forum to ask this question, or if my limited understanding of Wikidata's inner workings makes it difficult to understand the question. Catalogingcsusb1 (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is a "land acknowledgements" and how does it differ from ownership? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
w:en:Land acknowledgement. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the appropriate venue to ask. I don't see any appropriate properties, but you can suggest one. Let me know if you need help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best way to describe complicated classifications (of soils)?[edit]

I need an advice or inspiration about how to organize various soil systematic units (soil types) in various soil classifications.

Is there any good description/tutorial/discussion/know how etc. how organize classification of environmental units where there are no strict natural borders but dividing into types may be done by scientists by various ways (e.g. soils, rocks, waters, climate, plant communities)?

At the moment we have various soil taxonomic units described as soil types. What is the best way to show hierarchy of various taxonomic units? How connect soil type with soil classification? What is the best way to show that some soil units names (e.g. brown soil) may be present in a few soil taxonomies (in every for similar, but not the same soils), on different levels of hierarchy and/or describe slightly different soils in different editions of the same taxonomy (so differ in time)? It is truly Gordian Knot. Plogeo (talk) 18:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of questions here.
Is there any good description/tutorial/discussion/know how etc. how organize classification of environmental units where there are no strict natural borders but dividing into types may be done by scientists by various ways (e.g. soils, rocks, waters, climate, plant communities)?
Are you talking about the kinds of environmental units or examples of said units? E.g. desert (Q8514) is about deserts at large and Sahara (Q6583) is about the Sahara, a specific desert (this relationship is show via instance of (P31)). As you may imagine, we probably don't have an item for every biological or environmental region ever identified, but in principle, there's no reason why we can't have one.
At the moment we have various soil taxonomic units described as soil types. What is the best way to show hierarchy of various taxonomic units?
Unlike the above, where a statement with instance of (P31) was used, use subclass of (P279) to show child types or subtypes.
How connect soil type with soil classification?
I believe the above answers this.
What is the best way to show that some soil units names (e.g. brown soil) may be present in a few soil taxonomies (in every for similar, but not the same soils), on different levels of hierarchy and/or describe slightly different soils in different editions of the same taxonomy (so differ in time)?
There are similar issues with biological taxonomies, where w:en:clades exist in more-or-less arbitrary divisions or w:en:polyphyly-related groups like w:en:slime molds exist. As someone who is not a taxonomist, I'd recommend trying to see how that's dealt with here and reproduce it on soil type items.
—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Community Wishlist: Upcoming changes to survey, and work on template selection wishes[edit]

Hello everyone,

We have two updates about the Community Wishlist Survey:

Update one concerns upcoming changes to the survey. In the new survey, we are experimenting with grouping similar wishes into a problem space known as Focus Area and modifying the way the community votes to complement this approach. We also have mockups of the new wish intake form. Get the full details.

The other update announces the selection of 4 related wishes around template use for fulfillment (e.g. adding infoboxes and bookmarking templates).

Please make time to read the announcements in detail, and join the discussions.

On behalf of Community Tech –– STei (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge common multiple (Q10855396) and common multiple (Q125922397)[edit]

The first item has 3 wikipedia pages of East Asian languages, the second item, common multiple (Q125922397), is newly created by me, before I find the first item. common multiple (Q125922397) is inspired by common divisor (Q10892988) , the subclass hierarchy of divisor (Q50708) - common divisor (Q10892988) - greatest common divisor (Q131752).

The question is how to merge these 2 items? Which one has *higher* precedence to stay, which the other removed? JuguangXiao (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The normal method is to retain the older item and redirect the newer item. I have merged these for you. Next time, please check Help:Merge for info on how to do this yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tips and demo. ✓ Done JuguangXiao (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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