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Q116514395 = Q27478643

Wikidata Q116514395 is the same object as Q27478643. Best regards, Carl Ha 2A02:8109:B68C:B400:58FC:9758:6CE7:298 22:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

✓ Done — Huntster (t @ c) 23:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Estopedist1 (talk) 07:17, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Individual person, double VIAF ID no

Recently I've found two individuals whose Wikidata item has two valid VIAF ID numbers:

How to follow up on this? -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Nothing need to be done; after some time they will be merged in VIAF side. GZWDer (talk) 11:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, @GZWDer:. Would there be any value to notifying the VIAF staff? -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
It's done by robots at their side, so no need to. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 11:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Same person, same article

These two items need merging:

It is the same person - Kenneth Eugene Smith. The title might be slightly different but it is about the same subject and nothing in the articles are different. It needs to be under one item please. Inexpiable (talk) 22:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

One item is about the person, the other item is about the event of the person’s execution. These are different concepts in Wikidata’s model and should be kept separate. Interwiki linking can be done via redirects, as is currently the case. Dogfennydd (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Robust way to find external links of object@revision

Hi! I am the author of Spamcheck, a tool to find external link additions by domain or user. I have been building a link addition database ("xlinks") since November and it works great so far. To find link additions the collector watches the revision create stream and then uses the Wikimedia REST API to extract links of the previous and current versions of a page. This works great for pages with the wikitext content model but not for wikidata. Is there a robust way to extract external links from a wikidata object@revision?

The page links change stream was not robust enough for wikitext. Count Count (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@Count Count: i don't think you can do that with the REST APIs. You could use the older APIs like https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvdir=newer&rvlimit=1&rvprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment&rvstartid=764138197&titles=Q56898115&rvprop=content but it's not fun. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I can do that but I can't easily find out which values denote hyperlinks. Of course I could just try to parse every value as a URL but that would be inaccurate. AFAICS alle values of properties with data type URL are hyperlinked? Count Count (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I think a good place to start would be URL (P2699) and all properties with subproperty of (P1647) of URL (P2699). See this search: https://w.wiki/92mf . If your definition includes all properties that are used to make outlinks, then you'd probably have to search for properties of the datatype "External identifier" with a formatter URL (P1630). See Wikidata:External identifiers. -- William Graham (talk) 21:04, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
@William Graham Thanks for the pointers. Interestingly enough it seems that the external links API/table does not record values for properties with a formatter URL at all. E.g. for Q447070 only one URL is returned while there are lots of values for such properties containing URLs, e.g. Property:P1207. Count Count (talk) 12:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure how "robust" you need it to be. There's nothing stopping a spammer from entering an URL into an arbitrary text field or masking the URL. If you're ok with what Mediawiki considers to be an external URL you can use the action API's query/extlinks call to get external links for the current revision fast and easy, this won't work for old revisions. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
In order to show if a link is still present spamcheck uses the externallinks table. The externallinks table contains only the hyperlinked URLs, at least for the wiktext content model. If every URL is recorded then the non-hyperlinked URLs will be incorrectly marked as no longer present.
Since spamcheck shows link additions getting the external links of the old version is necessary. Count Count (talk) 07:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Accessing External JSON tables in Lua

My apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for Lua questions, if so, please refer me to the appropriate place.I recall reading in Lua documentation about storing arbitrary table data from a module in JSON-like files (say, files in Wikimedia Commons) to be read by other modules, but I forgot which Lua extension or functions to use, and wonder if anyone recognizes this funtionality and can remind me where to find the documentation and possibly usage examples. My currently intended use is to create a more convenient table editor than using wikitable in raw wikitext which is prone to drastic cut-and-paste mistakes messing up the entire table. If there is such an editor already, learning about it may eliminate the current need for Lua advice. However, i have a few other ideas in mind for the jSON tables, so I could still find said advice useful in the long run. --SM5POR (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Visual editor works well enough for editing tables without messing them up. It will be hard to compete with something that's already built in.
Loading JSON can be done with mw.loadJsonData. To create a JSON page you will probably have to do so in your own user namespace and move it to the main namespace so that it gets created with the correct content type otherwise this function will likely fail. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur:You may well be correct about the visual editor. My problem is that I tend to
prepare my wikitext table contents off-site say, using Google Translate, then copying
and pasting individual lines from that into separate table cells in emacs, one column
per language and one phrase per row. If you look at my table at [1] comparing a number of phrases in different languages to illustrate the complexity of finding itemsfordifferent senses ofadposition lexemmes, you may notice that I have placed the English phrase in the Punjabicolumn. Thismistake is due to my Parkinson tremors constantly slamming the wrong keys in the wrong places.
Neither is this wikitable my ultimate desintion for storing those phrases.It's
just a presentation format for a subset of the data and I want to add languages and phrases as time permits. Thus my more general need for JSON functions,thanks for your advice!--SM5POR (talk) 09:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Emacs, nice! The only reason I started writing stuff on Wikipedia in the first place was because I wanted to practice my vim skills, I already had some experience with markup from writing technical documentation before that. It's funny to me that an editor thought up in the '70s beats the pants off anything today. :-) Infrastruktur (talk) 21:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur:Yes, EMACS is an impressive piece of software. I first used it (version 160) in 1981 under the TOPS-20 (Q1481861) operating system on which it was developed from TECO by Richard Stallman, who later ported it to the Unix operating system family as GNU Emacs. and I had plenty of fun with it. Therefore it remains my text editor of choice for almost anything, including e-mail. and as here, wikitext (thisvery reply is wrtten in emacs). Undo and automatic backup saves of files are essential features; they have saved me many hours of otherwise tedious repeat editing due to mistaken deletions. Then there are EMACS-lookalikes developed by others, such as AMIS for TOPS-10, VMS and SINTRAN,and Mince (Mince Is Not Complete EMACS) on CP/M, and EINE (EINE IS NOT EMACS) ON lISPMACHINES, ZWEI (ZWEI WAS EINE INITIALLY) and so on. I run TOPS-20 on emulated DEC-20 mahines for fun and nostalgic reasons. --SM5POR (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

RFC: contemporary or current country and location for events

I've raised an RFC on the issue whether events should record their current or contemporary location and country, and how best practice might be encouraged. See Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Current_or_contemporary_location_and_country_for_events Vicarage (talk) 09:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Add Yogasana Sports General Secretary Kerala's Profile

World's New sports Event Yogasana sports is getting popularised in many countries,orginated from India. I would like to add an eminent personalities profile The General Secretary of Kerala Indiian State Shamil1985 (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

literary work

The description at literary work (Q7725634) is confusing, is it meant to be about a "nonfiction work" or a "fiction work" or both. The description uses "aesthetic or recreative work". RAN (talk) 23:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

yup I also find this really confusing. I tend to use written work specifically to avoid this but I wish I knew the answer. BrokenSegue (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I switched to "written work" also, but maybe someone can come up with a better description. It just isn't going to be me. I guess it is meant to include things like poetry. I don't understand if "recreative work" is meant to be things "read as a recreation". Maybe "enjoyment" is meant, and it is meant to exclude textbooks and user manuals. --RAN (talk) 00:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
"recreative" is an ambiguous word, it also sounds like re-creation, making a new version or edition of an older work. Also if you are forced to read a classic novel or poetry in college, you are not reading it for enjoyment (recreation). --RAN (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Its both, though its a subclass of work of art (Q838948) which is meant to have no practical use! The whole area is a mess with book/edition/work needing multiple entries for a colloquial 'book', with inconsistent ontologies and issues of where dates can be added. Vicarage (talk) 05:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
@Vicarage,@RAN:A"creative work" is any work of art, literature,music or other form that is the result ofthe author's creatuive mind, be it fiction, drama, non-fiction, an instructionalmanual etc. It should not be confusedwithsomehing done for recreational purpuses (entertainment or leisure-time-acivities. A creative work isthe focus object of the notion of copyright. While some eoplen may enjoy learning thousands of decmals of pi andwriting them down doing so willnot yieldav"creaive" work, even as it may take a lot of human labor overa long peiod of time, since the author then isn't pickingrandom digitsout of thinair an writing them down. Pi isamathematical constantand not "creative" in any way.
While English isn't my native language, I like playing arond with words an try to find new words with specificmeaning.When you mentin re-creatingmorecopies of somehingthat already exist.I call itreproducing (an old word), but (
"retroproducing" (a new word, I think is to me to reprduce something that already exists but use modrn techniques for his reproduction, (such as maing a digital facsimile edition of Johann Gutenberg's printed Bible, or aome other historic work make it hyerlinked etc, and use blackletter Trutype fonts. "Retrocreation"(anoher new word) on the other hand is to me likewise to use modern tehniques but create someething that merey looks old, imitates an old style or something. Imagine if Leonardo da Vinci had had access to CAD/CAM tehnology for his inventions , or Babbage had used a 3D printer to build an analytical engine. (certain acts of forgery may come close to theserecreationalactivities.
Thus "retrocreative" and "retroproductive" anybody likes to expand words like that? --SM5POR (talk) 13:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
  • We probably need a standard example of a book to demonstrate. If you look at various well known books and their various editions, there are several ways we have them modelled. The problem is that in a year or two, no one will remember which book was the perfect model. We probably need a page where show the standard example for our most common instances_of and how to format them. --RAN (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
    One of the problems in looking for famous books is that you see all the complications of modelling them. The denizens of Wikidata:WikiProject_Books are keen on handling at this level. But nearly all books in history were produced in one edition in one language by one publisher at a single point in time. If I know that "Astronomer Fred Bloggs wrote a book on Black Holes, and a series of short stories over his career about Black Holes that were collected in one edition, but one story one was anthologised a few times", it would hard to encode or retrieve this information in WD. Vicarage (talk) 21:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I changed it from "creative work by a writer created with aesthetic or recreative purposes" to "written work read for enjoyment or edification". I read the translations of the various Wikipedia entries and that is the best I can come up with. I still do not understand the difference between it and "written work", except that it may exclude textbooks and user manuals. --RAN (talk) 20:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
    A better definition (though I wish you'd changed the British English at the same time), but it makes it hard to distinguish from written work (Q47461344), or indeed any document (Q49848). Unless something is never read, any of these have the potential to entertain or edify. Vicarage (talk) 13:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have a dataset developed in a research project that I think would be useful to donate to Wikidata. It's metadata about 500 creative works that reference machine vision technologies, and is already licensed to the public domain and published on Dataverse. I would be happy to spend some time working on uploading this if the data is appropriate for Wikidata - although I've only done manual editing here so would need some advice on how to actually do it, as well as on what would be useful to upload. There are two types of record I'd like to import, creative works (especially digital art) and fictional characters in the works.

To give some idea of the scope, here's the distribution of works in the dataset where I couldn't find a QID as of 2022. I probably missed some matches. The basic info is in a tidy data formatted csv file with QIDs: works_info.csv

  • Digital art: 189 works
  • Narratives (movies, short stories, novels, TV series ++): 89 works
  • Games: 10 works

We have published a peer-reviewed data paper describing the dataset,[1] and the readme.txt also briefly describes the data and the works it describes. You can also browse the data in the database we developed it in: https://machine-vision.no/ codebook.csv lists the variables/properties for each work - some but not all of these might be useful for Wikidata.

Digital art in particular is woefully underdocumented on Wikidata and Wikipedia. These works are usually interactive and often only available online or as installation artworks shown or performed at festivals or exhibitions. Many are discussed in scholarship and are important to other digital artists but because they are rarely held in major museums or sold at auctions, conventional data sources aren't aware of them. Having them in Wikidata would make future research much easier.

Creative works: examples

The first example shows a work of digital art that wasn't already in Wikidata, the second a well known movie with lots of data in Wikidata.

In addition to the basic metadata (year, creator, title etc) we have the following fields that I'd like to add but am not sure how:

  • Technologies referenced is whether a movie or film or game or artwork is about a technology like facial recognition or deepfakes or AI. Would this go under P180: depicts?
  • Technologies used means that a work uses a technology but might not discuss it. For example, Pokemon Go uses augmented reality but doesn't thematise it at all. Is this useful data for Wikidata, and if so, what property?
  • Characters: Only import characters we have registered as "individual", as we also registered some groups and that's just too tricky to convert to Wikidata. Each character should then have their own QID - see the table under the Works table.

The Topics and Sentiments fields were specific to our research and probably shouldn't be imported.

Title QID Variables mapped to Wikidata properties
The Zizi Show Q124422240 (I created this today) Year: 2020

Creator: Jake Elwes

Country: United Kingdom

URL: https://zizi.ai/ -> URLs will need statement of when active as some already dead or no longer main URL

Publication type: Art -> P31: Q838948

Technologies referenced: AI ->

Technologies used: Deepfake -> Not sure?

Topics: AI, gender, identity, playful -> don't import

Sentiment: Empowering, exciting -> don't import

Characters: Zizi, Drag Artists -> create Zizi, don't import "Drag artists" because they're a collective character so trickier

The Matrix Q83495 (already in Wikidata) Year: 1999

Creator: Wachowski Sisters

Country: United States -> P495: Q30

URL: n/a -> empty

Publication type: Art -> P31: (currently film - could add narrative or set to not import data when property already filled like here?)

Technologies referenced: AI, Biometrics, Body scans, Drones, Holograms, Surveillance cameras, Virtual reality -> not sure how to log this?

Technologies used: n/a

Topics: AI, consciousness, dystopian etc -> (don't import)

Sentiment: (don't import)

Characters: Neo, Morpheus, Rebels, Agent Smith -> don't import Rebels as they are collective group, others already linked from entry.

Fictional characters: examples

We have data on fictional characters (Q95074) in most of the works (artworks usually don't have characters but games and narratives do). I've provided links to the database not the csv files here as they are easier to read. Here are some examples of possible mappings to Wikidata.

Character QID Variables mapped to Wikidata properties
Agent Smith Q2085488 Age: Adult -> Might not map?

Species: Machine --> P31: Q66481339

Sexuality: Unknown -> P91 empty

Gender: Male -> P21: male

Race/ethnicity: White -> don't import this field?

Sidra Q124422124 Age: Adult -> ?

Species: Machine -> P31: Q66481339, Q18327510

Sexuality: Unknown -> P91 empty

Gender: Female -> P21: female

Race/ethnicity: Person of color -> don't import this field?

Wreck-It Ralph Q25167693 Age: Adult -> ?

Species: Human -> P31: human

Sexuality: Unknown -> P91 empty

Gender: Male -> P21:

Race/ethnicity: White -> don't import?

Paladin Q124422366 Age: Adult -> ?

Species: Cyborg -> P31: fictional robot

Sexuality: Heterosexual -> P91: Q1035954

Gender: trans woman -> P21: Q1052281

Race/ethnicity: Unknown -> empty

Fields that might be problematic:

  • Age - we've used adult/child/young adult/elderly and I don't think they correspond to anything in Wikidata
  • Ethnicity (P172) is particularly problematic and should probably just not be imported. However, since these are fictional characters it is not a privacy issue. It could be useful data to have for running tests on media representation, but then again it would not be complete or representative data so perhaps better not to import to Wikidata.

Field that might raise questions but I think we should import:

  • The sexuality (sexual orientation P91) of the fictional characters is less problematic, and our dataset follows the same rule as P91: "use ONLY IF they have stated it themselves" - in our dataset this means we entered sexuality if a fictional character was described or shown in a sexual or romantic relationship, otherwise not. See also our explanation in the data paper under the subheading "Race, gender and sexuality of fictional characters".[1]

I'd appreciate advice on how to go about contributing!! I think this might be of interest to the following projects, as well as Wikidata:WikiProject_Books and Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies.

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 Rettberg, Jill Walker; Kronman, Linda; Solberg, Ragnhild; Gunderson, Marianne; Bjørklund, Stein Magne; Stokkedal, Linn Heidi; Jacob, Kurdin; de Seta, Gabriele; Markham, Annette (2022). "Representations of machine vision technologies in artworks, games and narratives: A dataset". Data in Brief. 42.

Lijil (talk) 12:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

New user's first changes - please review

Hi there,

I'm a relatively new user, interested in semantic modeling and regularly refering to wikidata for pre-structured ontological data. Now I've started making my first edits here and was told that while the discussion pages can go unnoticed for years, this chat here might be a better place to ask for feedback. Hence:

My recent changes: Special:Contributions/TimBorgNetzWerk

Also, long term, I'd be interested to learn the rules, procedures and conventions within the wikidata community, to eventually apply for the aformentioned higher edit rights required. I've also read the Wikidata:Project chat#c-M2k~dewiki-20240120225300-Category:Properties ready for creation contains 60 entries and started reading related pages like Wikidata:Property creators, so if anyone has resources recommended to study for these policies and conventions, feel free to send them my way :)


Appreciating your help

TimBorgNetzWerk (talk) 18:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey. Welcome! Yeah there's just so many items that talk pages often aren't useful. The edits you made seem generally good but I'll warn you that Wikidata doesn't always have strong answers to the kinds of (good) questions you are asking. Often a product and the company that offers it with the same name are conflated (generally because a Wikipedia article covers both) and it's not super clear how to resolve this. Conflating a process and the field of study of that process (When they have similar names) is also very common. I wouldn't say there is strong concensus about resolving these kinds of issues but bringing them up here is a good place to start. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
On a much more humble level I've been running into that. There's a P7883 for items on the Historical Marker Database, but we don't have an item for each marker; just for the notable building, bridge, battlefield or whatever that the marker marks. I have put P7883 in the building's WD item but now I am reasonably confident that I was wrong to go that way. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Hey @BrokenSegue, thanks for the warm welcome :)
I'm slowly growing more confident and understand more and more what tools to use - i now know that I shoudln't have Talk:[...]Removed "subclass of statistics", bur rather use reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and go on from there - thanks to Special:Contributions/TimBorgNetzWerk and my internal backlog and notes I keep on all edits and thoughts, I'll eventually go through these and clean them up.
On that note: Some of these edits require higher levels of edit rights, what is a good road towards these edit rights? e.g.
Talk:Q11660#c-TimBorgNetzWerk-20240202095500-not a subclass of reasoning
and propably much higher rights required:
Property talk:P1268#c-TimBorgNetzWerk-20240130101800-instance of suggestion: transitive Wikidata property (Q18647515)
I'm also thinking about "Conflating a process and the field of study of that process (When they have similar names) is also very common. I wouldn't say there is strong concensus about resolving these kinds of issues but bringing them up here is a good place to start." - I think I'll design a student thesis or similar around this, since it's also relevant for my own studies, and maybe we can find a solution. I'm currently thinking in the direction of "facet of (P1269)", which already does this wonderfully to differentiate between "is on the topic of" and "is subclass of", which on Wikipedia get's conflated, but on wikidata can be resolved.
(Side note to this, I ran into this when designing a student thesis around gamification and testing this: https://cardgame.blinry.org/?Q9174&lang=en) TimBorgNetzWerk (talk) 10:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Doing 14 more edits should make you able to edit the protected items. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@TimBorgNetzWerk: If you're interested in research around this I would suggest looking at [2]. BrokenSegue (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Very, very interesting - thank you!
I also love that they highlighted the color issue - I've been running circles around the concepts of both colors and adjectives/adverbs for months now TimBorgNetzWerk (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

photographic technique (Q1439691)

Has anyone considered having a property corresponding to photographic technique (Q1439691)? Seems at Commons:Commons talk:Structured data#Aerial photographs like it might have broad usefulness in Structured Data for Commons. - Jmabel (talk) 02:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Good idea. Make a property proposal. I was also recommended to use "genre" to indicate if a photo is color, black & white or monochromatic (sepia toned), maybe it would be better to have a separate property for this as well? I don't know. It is very useful information to have in any case. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur,@Jmabel: I'd advise against confusing techniques with genres, the latter is pretty messy already, and whileblack & white may be used with certain genres, such as film noir, the B/W footage from the Apollo Moon Landings certainly wasn't film noir. It was an arteact of the improvised tchnology used totransmit an broadcast those imagess across the world Hhere was no immediatetransfero a video signal, a NASA had developed their own signalling standards for spacecraft video, and the TV broadcasters had to place a camera focussed on a control room monitor to recapture the images as they came in, and that monitor showed black & white only. Swedish science television presenter Bengt feldreich received a phone call from a viewercomplainingabut the poor quality of the transmission, and that it was black & white, even as he had paid a color TV license fee. Swedishbroacast televiuion introducd colour around 1969, and the license fee for a color set was a bit higher than for bllck & whiteonly. Feldreich's attempts to make the point that we were witnessing a historic event in man kind's exploration of the universe (humans walking on the Moon) fell on deaf ears with this dissatisfied viewer. other techniques to consider (stereo photography, time-lapse, stop-motion,long-exporure, flashlight, motion blur, infrared, fibroscopy, X-ray, high-speed). Perhaps multiple properties should be consdered to combine, say, illumination exposure time and wavelengthfiltering. --SM5POR (talk) SM5POR (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I chose photographic technique (Q1439691) following Wikidata If that is wrong, then it should be corrected on Wikidata. Yes, we do have genre (P136) on Commons. - Jmabel (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Jmabel (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Catalan donkey (Q172870)

I've tried to undo a mess at Catalan donkey (Q172870), which had somehow got mixed up with a lot of irrelevant stuff from Burro (Q5000463) – apologies if I was wrong to do so! Some statements seem to be working OK, but are showing an error symbol (an exclamation mark in a circle). It's going to take someone cleverer than I to sort those out. Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Can you indicate where you informed the editor who performed the merge about this discussion? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Probably nowhere, ight, @Justlettersandnumbers? Can @Succu please have a look? Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 19:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Sync event fact template with wikidata info?

Some articles have an "event fact template" that has some very useful structured data. Example wikipedia fact page: Rodrigrazo. Wikidata page Q9070213 doesn't have that info (I added a few manually now). Is there an API to query that info in the Wikipedia and store it in Wikidata? As we should be able to map the fields and do it massively. Pruna.ar (talk) 18:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

There are tools like Harvest Templates, but personally I'll rather add the information with a proper source. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Sjoerddebruin for your comment. But I don't understand what do you mean by proper source. Shouldn't info in Wikipedia be ok? Pruna.ar (talk) 11:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
@Pruna.ar Generally, no, Wikipedia is not an adequate source for Wikidata. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

query service breaks at Q3523102

When using the wikidata cardgame generator, I noticed that source of information (Q3523102) breaks the query service:

https://query.wikidata.org/#PREFIX%20wd%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20wdt%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fprop%2Fdirect%2F%3E%0A%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ3523102%0A%7D


Server error: Unexpected end of JSON input TimBorgNetzWerk (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@TimBorgNetzWerk This is not "breaking the query service", it's timing out because of the complexity of the query. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Reusing references: Can we look over your shoulder?

Apologies for writing in English.

The Technical Wishes team at Wikimedia Deutschland is planning to make reusing references easier. For our research, we are looking for wiki contributors willing to show us how they are interacting with references.

  • The format will be a 1-hour video call, where you would share your screen. More information here.
  • Interviews can be conducted in English, German or Dutch.
  • Compensation is available.
  • Sessions will be held in January and February.
  • Sign up here if you are interested.
  • Please note that we probably won’t be able to have sessions with everyone who is interested. Our UX researcher will try to create a good balance of wiki contributors, e.g. in terms of wiki experience, tech experience, editing preferences, gender, disability and more. If you’re a fit, she will reach out to you to schedule an appointment.

We’re looking forward to seeing you, Thereza Mengs (WMDE)

Visiting professor

There are three items that seem to overlap/duplicate each other IMO

I'd merge visiting professor (Q110073840) but I am not sure with which one and if both previous items are equivalent to each other. Kpjas (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

visiting professor (Q110073840) seems to describe the Flemish version of the role, which seems to have a different definition than visiting scholar (Q94084). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
But nl wikipedia link redirects Gastprofessor → Gasthoogleraar, which in turn, I think, corresponds to "visiting scholar". As a matter of fact visiting professor (Q110073840) is linked by only one item Catherine Schneider (Q110438569). Kpjas (talk) 11:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
My reading of it is that visiting scholar (Q94084) is any member of higher education being hosted at another university; visiting professor (Q28692568) is a particular type of visiting scholar; and visiting professor (Q110073840) is a particular implementation of a visiting professor at Flemish universities, possibly with legal connotations. Three distinct entities that should be left as they are. — Huntster (t @ c) 15:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps the description of Q110073840 could be updated to reflect that? Not sure how though as I’m not familiar with Flemish academia. Lijil (talk) 06:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Ping @Sjoerddebruin @GeeJee: Kpjas (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Apart from the regular academic member of universities and other academic institutions, they can have non-regular (visiting, guest, invited, etc.) scholars on a temporary basis. We can divide them into at least 3 classes based on their supposed roles: 1) one equivalent with (or qualified as) professor or principal investigator in other institutions, who may give lectures and/or conduct research, although limited to a relatively short period of time, 2) one chiefly responsible for giving lectures on a specific subject, and 3) one conduct research in collaboration with the regular member and not necessarily equivalent with professor. Unfortunately, visiting scholar (Q94084) is a bad mixture of all of them. visiting professor (Q28692568) and visiting associate professor (Q11452903) are type 1 (at least in the jawiki pages); I guess visiting docent (Q19324694) is type 2, and possibly visiting professor (Q110073840) is a region-specific form of it; Q11452904 is type 3; also we have external professor (Q119702332) and visiting faculty (Q105575852) possibly corresponding to type 1 or 2. Mzaki (talk) 14:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
@Mzaki thank you for your clarifications. So in this regard, our modelling is rather suboptimal. But I'm afraid that the visiting professor/ scholar problem is additionally confounded by various peculiarities on national, regional or even higher education institutions level. My guess would be that the "teaching" visiting professor is by far the most common case. Kpjas (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Entity Graph

A year or two there was a nice feature. To the right of an item Q number on its page, a symbol of three dots appear. In that distant past, clicking it yielded an Entity Graph showing the various items connected to this item, and by what P Property. Recently, the reply is "Query is malformed". Can this feature be restored? Jim.henderson (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jim.henderson: It's the EasyQuery gadget. I hope I fixed it. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
@Matěj Suchánek: Thanks. Indeed it works now. With so many moving parts in Wikidata, and so few mechanics to find and fix the broken bits, sometimes it's a wonder that the machine continues to clank along at all. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
That looks useful! The MediaWiki:Gadget-EasyQuery.js page doesn’t explain where to put the code - could you please point me to instructions? I’m still rather new here and there are so many wonderful tools that I am finding new possibilities every day but if you don’t know they exist or what they’re called it’s hard to find them or figUte out how yo use them :) Lijil (talk) 06:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
@Lijil: Nowhere to put the code, just activate it in your preferences. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, that's just what I'm looking for! Lijil (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

The Rachel Maddow Show (Q3522402)

The Rachel Maddow Show (Q3522402) is no longer a daily tv news program . It now runs weekly on Monday nights at 9pm est on MSNBC (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show). Should I add a new item to WD for this new program, or should the existing item be amended and if so how.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 01:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Without knowing the specifics of the show, I'd set publication interval (P2896) with two values, 1 day (qualified with end time (P582) for when it ceased being aired daily) and 1 week (qualified with start time (P580) from when it began airing in the new format). day of regular release (P6437) may also be useful (as a qualifier) for identifying that it airs on Mondays. M2Ys4U (talk) 03:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #614

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Translations are available.

Discussions

Events

  • Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call February 6, 2024: Wikimedia user Dnshitobu will discuss Wikidata for Education, the Dagbani NLP project, and the Dagbani Wikimedians User Group/sister communities. In the last part of the meeting, Dnshitobu will lead a discussion of your ideas for Wikidata Affinity Group activities in 2024 using Jamboard. Agenda
  • Kick-Off Panel Discussion: Black Histories Wikipedia & Wikidata Edit-a-thon February 6, 17:00 - 18:00 CET. Toronto Metropolitan University. Edit-A-Thon's are also being hosted on Feb. 8th 16:00 CET and Feb. 15th 18:00 CET.
  • Wikidata 101 is a clinic, part of the #LoveDataWeek hosted at Toronto Metropolitan University; February 13th 11:00 - 12:30 EST in LIB 387 - Library Collaboratory building.

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • A Query and UI for exploring works of Venezuelan authors, artists, scientists and creators in the Public Domain.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development

  • Wikibase REST API:
    • We are finishing the endpoint for adding/replacing a sitelink on an Item for a given wiki (phab:T342987) and have finished the ones for getting and removing a sitelink from an Item (phab:T344039, phab:T344685)
    • We have documented the differences in sitelink data structure between Wikibase REST API and Action API responses (phab:T355659)
    • We fixed the bug where sitelink data was not including badges even when available (phab:T355293)
  • IP masking: We are continuing the work on adapting Wikibase so we don't show IP addresses for non-logged-in users.
  • mul: We finished the user testing and will now work on the remaining blockers for the first release.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

Is there an estimated time for deployment of the 'mul' update? Infrastruktur (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Q115664187 = Q115664193

Both items descripe the same street, Gartenstraße is the old name and Fritz-Elsas-Straße is the new name. I don't know when the renaming happened. Maybe one item is enough? Best regards, Carl Ha 2A02:8109:B68C:B400:ED40:41DD:4D6C:18E9 18:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I found a (different?) Gartenstraße in Stuttgart. ping@M2k~dewiki RVA2869 (talk) 18:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Help find the Q:Truth and P:Trueness and their opposites Q:Falsity and P:false

0. I'm a newbie and my ideas might be naive, but I hope that it will be at least an example of some feedback from a frustrated user.

1. My initial intent was to find out if I could mark any statement as "true" in WikiData and how to do that. The first thought would be to find a corresponding property. Look at what I found.

2. I thought that Q7949 (truth/Wahrheit/истина) should have this property but neither it nor the "truth value" (Q185521) have such a property. Nor the reality (Q9510) have it.

3. The Q7949's opposite, Q3847033 (falsity/Falschheit/ложь) actually "has characteristic" (Property:P1552) of Q5432619 (false/falsch/ложь) but doesn't have a property of being false. And the opposite of this false is Q16751793 (true/wahr/истина) which "represents" Property:P1268 the truth Q7949 from which I started.

4. If you read the true/false descriptions, you will see that it's merely about boolean computer values and not the properties I was looking for.

5. A lie (Q4925193) also has no such a property as false.

6. There is also an entity I would call the 'false statement', it is currently incorrectly called as falsity/Falschheit/ложь (Q17949). It has a statement its characteristic of contradiction (Q363948) relative to reality. Is it a good example?

7. So, do the following properties really exist: - depicting or marking something as true (adjective), in other words as corresponding to the existing things and events; - depicting or marking something as false (adjective), in other words as not corresponding to the existing things and events?

8. Regarding the first question I found something called trueness (Q25495344) but it's not a property; it's just an orphan Wikipedia article. I merged it into "correctness/Richtigkeit/правильность" (Q1648040). Its opposite is wrongness (Q115430545) but its descriptions in different languages are inconsistent. It's more about the misguided state of mind, being a supporter of something wrong.

9. On Wikipedia there are disambiguation pages True (Q445415) and False (Q236339), there is nothing interesting on them on WikiData pages.

10. Concerning the properties true and false, I assume they should have a statement with "Wikidata item of this property" (P1629) that would lead me correspondingly back to the Q7949 truth and Q3847033 falsity.

11. Or perhaps, should there be no such properties at all? If so then...

12. If I want to assert that some Q is true, should I add a statement "has characteristic" (Property:P1552) with value "truth value" (Q185521) as it's done in proposition (Q108163)?

13. Or should I add such a statement with value truth (Q7949) as it's done in fact (Q188572)?

14. In other words, would it be correct to add to truth (Q7949 the statement "has characteristic" (Property:P1552) with value "truth" (Q7949)? Nikolay Komarov (talk) 23:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

i don't know what you mean by "assert that some Q is true". Like you want to assert that (for example) theory of evolution (Q11640129) is considered true? I think on Wikidata we would instead prefer to indicate that certain sources support this theory. Like having such a property is just asking for trouble given that like Christianity (Q5043) exists. or do you just mean like something is logically equivalent to "true"? I'm just not getting this use-case in general. It could be you just need to make a new item for the quality you are trying to tag items with. The way it's done on fact (Q188572) seems fine. BrokenSegue (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for a quick answer!
There are items that definitely deserve to be marked as true. Some of them I mentioned above: (objective) reality, the fact, the truth, and so on.
If there is no such property, it's strange. There are already examples of its usage, but currently just some indirect properties like "has characteristics" + "true" are used. There is no standard.
As of your concerns... can they serve as a basis to refrain from having such a fundamental, cornerstone property? There are means to protect its usage, like constraints, moderation etc.
And even more items should be marked simply as false. Lots of old theories, pseudoscience, fake myths etc.
Oh, almost forgot! I actually thought about the possibility to apply true and false properties rather to the statements, not to the items. Not even sure that such an application is supported but I suppose I saw a similar example. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 01:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
We actually already have qualifiers for specifying that a statement is "wrong" (well totally wrong statements should be deprecated, see Wikidata:Rank). For example we can do sourcing circumstances (P1480) disputed (Q18912752). There's also nature of statement (P5102).
I guess I'm not sure what the statement you want to add really means. Is Santa Claus (Q315796) false? I guess not? So like it only applies to scientific theories? You say it applies to reality (Q9510) but like I don't know in what sense that is "true". I will say that for things that are "false" we use instance of (P31) statements that indicate that e.g. instance of (P31) fictional planet (Q2775969).
I would suggest opening an RfC. It's possible we either need a new property (no idea what it would be called) or just some kind of standard. But I would suggest getting a bit more experience before trying that. BrokenSegue (talk) 04:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Marking Qs as wrong or true is less important to me, let's wrap up this part. I almost fully agree to your point of view, thank you very much for sharing!
As for the first part, it looks like sourcing circumstances (P1480) disputed (Q18912752), and nature of statement (P5102) are the items I was actually looking for. What a relief! :-) Huge thanks!
I'll take time to get acquainted with the entities you mentioned and check out how they are used in practice. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 08:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I made a list of values for the wonderful P5102 on its discussion page and sorted them from the falsity to the truth. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 20:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

P12424

Anyone know why this property was never created? Trade (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The software sometimes skips numbers, same for items. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Usually because of errors when creating with a script or tool (such as a statement with a value that is the wrong type for the property). With items, it can also be an attempt to create an item with the same label and description as another item, or with a sitelink to a page that doesn't exist. In this case, it was probably the error mentioned at User talk:DannyS712/PropertyCreator.js. Peter James (talk) 23:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Characters hundreds or thousands of years old

Some characters die at hundreds or thousands of years old. However, there is a restriction that warns that the value of age of subject at event is greater than 135. How could we set an exception for these cases? E.g. Elros --Fantastoria (talk) 09:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

At the moment applying single exceptions on the property is the best solution, we don't have a way to exclude classes from constraints so far. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 13:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
How can we make single exceptions? I don't know how it's done. --Fantastoria (talk) 08:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

How to reference a cenotaph with a Find a Grave memorial ID (P535)?

Surely this is not a new question but I can't find the answer.

I'm running into this because a Find a Grave memorial ID (P535) exists for a cenotaph commemorating Herta Mohr (Q64093971) and her parents. How to note that this is a cenotaph and not a grave? The description of Find a Grave memorial ID (P535) is "identifier of an individual's burial place" (and similar in other languages), not "identifier of an individual's memorial" (as Find a Grave (Q63056) phrases on their website). FindAGrave's memorial property "cenotaph" is not reflected in Wikidata.

I hesitate to add Find a Grave cemetery ID (P2025) because the person isn't buried there (she was a Holocaust victim, there is no burial), so I tried to specify "cenotaph" but this is flagged as an error. Would appreciate your advice or direct edits. Thanks! CvZ (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

  • I allowed "object has role" but we will all not remember in a year or so when we encounter the problem again, and wonder if "nature of statement=cenotaph" was the answer. --RAN (talk) 05:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
    Many thanks! nl-wiki template Infobox wetenschapper uses Find a Grave memorial ID (P535) to display info from Wikidata, so I think that template should now be modified by nl-wiki editors (haven't checked use in other wikis) so that it shows "cenotaph" when appropriate. If "object has role" is unallowed in Wikidata, this will result in an error on nl-wiki, which might hopefully serve as a reminder... CvZ (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Replacement of Singapore Infopedia ID

We are replacing Singapore Infopedia ID (P8350) with new identifiers. We would like to find out how to proceed to replace the old identifiers in Wikidata:

1) Do we need to propose a new property for the new identifier through the page Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control)? Or can we make the changes directly in Singapore Infopedia ID (P8350) by amending the formatter URL?

2) This is an example of the new URI: https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=8709468f-f41f-44b4-9e8a-ef6ac25accfe. As 8709468f-f41f-44b4-9e8a-ef6ac25accfe is the identifier, is https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid= considered an appropriate formatter URL?

Appreciate your advice on the above questions. Thank you! Nlbkos (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nlbkos: Is the old format ID being retired (will it break)? You can propose a new property. Yes that is what you would do (it would look like Wikidata:Property_proposal/Singapore_Infopedia_ID). Definitely do not just update the formatter on the property (you need to also update all the values of the IDs or the links will break). The cleaner approach is to make a "new" property for the new values but I suppose just updating the existing values would be reasonable. BrokenSegue (talk) 05:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I would say to propose a new property. In particular, we should not remove or change the claims using the old property. The identifiers remain true (albeit less usefully) even when the sponsoring organization abandons an identification scheme. We can change the old property name to include some text that discourages new use. Bovlb (talk) 20:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. Does it mean that we can still name the new property Singapore Infopedia ID while renaming the old property Singapore Infopedia ID (P8350) to something else e.g. Singapore Infopedia ID (former scheme), similar to what Vatican Library had done to its old property Vatican Library ID (former scheme) (P1017)? Nlbkos (talk) 02:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Bovlb (talk) 22:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Image at Q7380438

Hello, everyone. There we have a disagreement on a certain topic at Talk:Q7380438#প্রশ্ন where I had some concern about the reason for this specific discussion as I have mentioned on that very talk page. I am worried about it and therefore I would like to request third persons to look into the matter with a view to resolving the disagreement. Meghmollar2017 • Talk 22:48, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

i took a look BrokenSegue (talk) 00:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Non-trivial creation of a hyperlink to the property in visual editor

My use case: I want to mention the P31 property in the visual dialog.

a hyperlink pop-up for the property in the editor
marking a property as a link requires additional steps

So, I type "P31". Nothing happens, so I select it and click on "link" button at the toolbar.

I would expect it to be just marked with a correct link leading to the P31 page.

Instead, I see a popup telling me that a page doesn't exist. I'm frustrated.

Having some experience, I type "Property:" before the "P31" and the window finally shows me that the hyperlink markup development is almost complete.

Question: are my expectations strange or it can be considered as a feature to implement? Like, if there is a property with exactly the same ID, in the "Add a link" popup windows it's shown as a hint at the first place in the list. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

This and the other topic would be related to phab:T217768. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
@Nikolay Komarov: are you sure you want "Property:P31" in search results before real-world P31 road (Q11119552) or P31 (Q11711020)? It looks like an internal thing, only for Wikidata editors, not for usual readers. Anyway, there is a script which shows properties in pop-down list too. If I am not mistaken, it's User:Nikki/SpecialSearch.js. --Infovarius (talk) 15:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
I do want to see the Property:31 on the top, yes. There always will be people who won't, it's the matter of their goals of using the project.
I'm not sure is someone looking for details of any real-world P31 objects would go to Wikidata to search here. Every article they would find is a very technical page with lots of IDs on it. Not something a regular user might want to see in order to learn about something. But it's just my perception, I might be wrong. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 16:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Q3856 Nicosia, capital of Cyprus

With this edit, User:Ah3kal entirely removed the link to the Greek Wikipedia article on the (contested) capital of Greek Cyprus. Not sure how you handle nationalistic vandalism or general discipline over here, but (a) they have 9k+ edits and don't seem to be a Turkish troll so maybe this was an accident or oversight and (b) this is apparently a thing to watch for w/r/t the Nicosia article, whoever patrols or admin-locks things like that over here.  — LlywelynII (talk) 07:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The page was (temporarily) deleted on the Greek Wikipedia, this removes the sitelink automatically. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
@Sjoerddebruin: The sitelink is automatically removed but not automatically restored? Seems like a pretty big oversight. — LlywelynII (talk) 06:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
@LlywelynII I am terribly sorry, the edit was automatic following a technical delete of the page in order to revert page-move vandalism. I didn't realize the effect this had to wikidata. Will have my mind in the future to reinstate wikidata links if something similar happens again, and will check similar past actions. Thank you for the ping. Ah3kal (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Sure thing. Once I saw your edit history I figured there might be a reasonable explanation. — LlywelynII (talk) 06:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Shrey Mallick (Q113203905)

Shrey Mallick (Q113203905) has an insane number of images. I have no idea what Wikidata's policy is for this (remove most of them? choose one explicitly as preferred?) but I believe the current state is at least against the spirit of the site. - Jmabel (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

A few suggestions:
  • image (P18) should generally be used only for images that clearly depict the subject. If the subject is a human, and the picture shows two or more humans with equal prominence, then it fails this test. I only see one image on this item that passes this test.
  • If a large number of images are available of an individual subject, there should be a Commons category, which should be linked from their Wikidata item.
  • If an item has a Commons category, it should probably only have one image. Clients would use the Wikidata image property over a Commons category because they trust us to have chosen the best one. Again, the same image seems the only one that would be appropriate to see in an infobox.
Bovlb (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a hoax or some kind of other trick. Multichill (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Unexpected constraint

Could someone take a look at Split-fount inking (Q7578601)?

⟨ Split-fount inking (Q7578601)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ industry (P452) View with SQID ⟨ printing industry (Q26897133)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩

gives a a constraint warning. I'm not sure if this is best dealt with by changing instance of (P31) for the item or by adjusting a constraint of industry (P452), or possibly expressing this relationship some other way. I'm a little surprised that

⟨ Split-fount inking (Q7578601)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ instance of (P31) View with SQID ⟨ production process (Q1408286)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩

does not meet the constraints for industry (P452) here. I tried a couple of other things, and this is the best I can see to do. - Jmabel (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggested change to Module:Property_proposal

See Template talk:Property proposal#New parameter "URL match pattern" So9q (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Two broken metaclasses

I have started a discussion on Wikidata talk:WikiProject Sports about two metaclasses created by User:J 1982 last September (basketball players who play in this club (Q122362011) and volleyball players who play in this club (Q122361970)). At the moment, it is the latest entry – and I am afraid it will be for a while. I don't know how to link to the discussion since I used {{Q}} in the header. -- Olaf Studt (talk) 10:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Require usages to have either one of two qualifiers

P8031 currently has a required qualifier constraint with an error because there are two items under property. How do I amend it so that using either one of the two properties would satisfy the requirement? Aaron Liu (talk) 17:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no way state that exactly I think. The 28 oct 2023 edit probably broke the rule, it should be left as 'object has role' only. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
You're right. There should still be a way to do what I said, though. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Search box on the top of Main page doesn't expect P... queries

I frequently search for properties on the main page by entering P... (e.g. P31).

I would expect that for such a frequent query there would quickly be shown some snippet (like a quick preview of the property page) to let me jump to the page.

What's astonishing is that not only there is no such snippet but even in the search results the property page is not on the first place. There are some other pages with random mentions of P31.

So I first have to go to that random page and there click a link leading to P31.

Is it a strange expectation from my side? Does anyone "suffer" :-) like I do? Nikolay Komarov (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The trick is to type "p:P31" and then resolutely ignore the completions. It also works to type, say, "p:instance". Bovlb (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
wow! cool tricks, thanks! Nikolay Komarov (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
This works because properties are in their own namespace called Property:/P:, while the main namespace here hosts items like Q2. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking for developer to create Zotero plugin

Hi, I have opened the project inquiry on Upwork, where I am looking for JavaScript developer to create a Zotero plugin, which would retrieve Wikidata items of published works via QID to Wikidata citation library. Its a shame, that there is something like Wikidata, but yet everybody have to add citation by hand to Zotero. If one reference is used by 100 Zotero users, it have to be edited 100 times in their personal Zotero libraris. So why not to redirect their interest to improve one itema on Wikidate by 20 users and than share it with everybody. Even it looks like its possitive mostly to outside world, it is not the truth. In face it will yet again draw awarness to Wikidata and potetionally more citations will be added. Juandev (talk) 16:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

can you link to the upwork inquiry? BrokenSegue (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunatelly not. It looks like I need a premium version, but I dont have it. Juandev (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Are you aware of Wikidata:Zotero/Cita#:~:text=Cita is a Wikidata addon,to easily contribute missing data. ? How do you want the new plugin to be different? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

New items for books

Where can one find guidance on the criteria for inclusion of books in Wikidata? I'd like to create an item for the book "Davis Allen: 40 Years of Interior Design at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill". 1990. New York: Rizzoli. ISBN 9780847812554. (My intention is to continue to expand the depth and detail of item: human : any member of Homo sapiens, unique extant species of the genus Homo, from embryo to adultDavis Allen (Q5241835): American interior designer and furniture designer – both here and on enwiki.) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello Cl3phact0, for notability for wikidata items please see Wikidata:Notability M2k~dewiki (talk) 18:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Davis Allen (Q5241835) has sitelinks and the publisher seems to be reputable, the threshold of notability seems to be met with ease. --Emu (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Destroy catalog 6206 immediatly

I created this catalog[3], but made a critical error and mixed up the manga ids with the author ids.

Unfortunatly, I did too good of a job with the rest of the script, so the auxilary data matcher is really confident it is correct, and nothing i try (including manually all removing 152 matches) will convince it otherwise. Binarycat32 (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Take it up with Magnus Manske on his talk page. If any tool is performing bad edits on behalf of your account then you can go to preferences/user profile/connected apps and disable the OAuth authorizations to prevent it from doing so. Not entirely sure what would happen if you reauthorize it, but at the very least it is something that will buy you time. Infrastruktur (talk) 12:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

How to model court case Anderson v. Griswold (Q123935148) going through different appelate courts?

Is it preferable to have one Wikidata item for a legal case (Q2334719) going through multiple courts with the latest (and highest) appellate court having preferred rank…

court
Preferred rank Supreme Court of the United States edit
0 references
add reference
Normal rank Colorado Supreme Court edit
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add reference
Normal rank Colorado District Courts (?) edit
0 references
add reference


add value

…or should there be a different Wikidata item treating each legal case (Q2334719) in a different court (P4884) separately, so specifying preferred values for court (P4884) would be unnecessary?

(I'm not sure what the right name is for the first and lowest court this case was heard in.)

Normal rank⟨ Trump v. Griswold ⟩ court (P4884) View with SQID ⟨ Supreme Court of the United States (Q11201)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
Normal rank⟨ Anderson v. Griswold (Colorado) ⟩ court (P4884) View with SQID ⟨ Colorado Supreme Court (Q5148967)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
Normal rank⟨ Anderson v. Griswold (District Court) ⟩ court (P4884) View with SQID ⟨ Colorado District Courts (Q5148794)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩

But then what property would you use to connect the different items together and show the relationship between the different rulings?

My query for instances of Wikidata property related to law and justice (Q22984026) didn't turn up a property that looked promising to me.

overrules (P4006) doesn't quite fit—Roe v. Wade (Q300950) going from the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas to the U.S. Supreme Court is not the same as

⟨ Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization (Q107058269)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ overrules (P4006) View with SQID ⟨ Roe v. Wade (Q300950)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩

In 2020, DavidMCEddy asked about modeling about the multiple appeals involved in Fish v. Kobach (Q55611721), but those multiple appeals still aren't reflected in Wikidata, as far as I can tell.

Lovelano (talk) 07:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Notified participants of WikiProject Law Lovelano (talk) 01:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Threshold for splitting company items after rename/acquisition?

Hi all,

It’s a bit unclear to me if/when we should make a new item for companies after a rename (typically after acquisition). To take a couple of examples from the video game industry, we have separate items for

But conversely, a single item for:

(Stopping here, but we could have many other examples).

Acquisitions do not seem to be an indicator: for example DMA was acquired before in 1997, without being renamed.

Bonus question: in case items are not split − it feels (and is) wrong to read Wiz 'n' Liz (Q3569531)developer (P178)Bizarre Creations (Q1988059), because the game was released under a different name. How can we best capture that? I have seen (and used myself) Wiz 'n' Liz (Q3569531)developer (P178)Bizarre Creations (Q1988059)object named as (P1932)Raising Hell Software − does that feel ok to you?

Jean-Fred (talk) 09:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

(Huh, that pattern does not seem as common as I though, per https://w.wiki/97mE & https://w.wiki/97mF ) Jean-Fred (talk) 09:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
In my opinion it would be best to look at whether a lot of other things changed at that point in time, or just the name. If just the name, then keep it as a single item. If headquarters location, leadership, significant products or ownership also changed then maybe a new item would help keep them sufficiently distinct, with the usual replaces (P1365)/replaced by (P1366) statements. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
One factor to consider when deciding to split or not is whether external authority databases give new identifiers to new names: publishing companies and organizations may go through many names over the years (e.g. "Johnson & Sons Publishing Inc", "Johnson Publishing Co.", "The Frank Johnson Company"...). Sometimes each name will have a different value for Library of Congress authority ID (P244), and thus it may make more sense to make separate items for each name to keep a more granular, unambiguous relationship between company and product. In other cases, multiple names may be recorded merely as aliases/synonyms under a given single ID. A similar conundrum is posed by educational institutions. Sometimes name changes are little more than re-brandings, as when Humboldt State University was recently rechristened "California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt", whereas other name changes are the result of mergers or acquisitions, and may involve substantial changes in an institution's mission, scope, status, and administration (e.g. an historically all-women's college in California becoming a co-educational branch of a Boston-based university in 2022, as in Mills College at Northeastern (Q638859)). Virtually every graduate in Category:Mills College alumni (Q8632630) holds a degree from Mills College alone, and may have never set foot in a Northeastern University (Q37548) classroom, whereas current Mills students will receive a degree from Northeastern University. Third party (dumb) data scrapers like Google Search panels are already conflating and regurgitating anachronistic falsehoods, e.g. stating that Barbara Lee (Q289317) attended "Northeastern University in Oakland" from 1969-1973, and imprecise Wikidata/Wikipedia items probably play a large part in that confusion. -Animalparty (talk) 17:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Forbiden website

Maybe found a bug, but this [4] change should be impossible, it's in our website blacklist, so I can't even delete this sitelink, but someone could modify one to it?. Fralambert (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

In fact, it was put on the blacklist after the spam insertions. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Ok, I was just thinking it was a bug or something. Thanks for your anwser. Fralambert (talk) 18:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Probably because it was in the edit summary when attempting to remove it. Something similar was mentioned at phab:T296102. Peter James (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Indian women novelists (Q13265741) lang "te" is missing

there is no option to add lang "te" item label, description, alias Id,Ik'+(&sZP4^m (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Cremation

What is the standard way to indicate someone was cremated, looking at the people linked to cremation (Q207315) most have burial=no_value, but the qualifier=cremation always gives an error message. See: Vincent Gerard Norton (Q69672248) and Vincent Price (Q219640) and even Wallace John Eckert (Q914112). What should we standardize on? Burial=no_value but how to qualify with cremation? My guess is "nature of statement=cremation" is the most intuitive. RAN (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Burial=no_value is not sufficient to note that a person is cremated, since the ashes can be (and often are) subsequently buried and the natural place to note this would be in the burial properties. I would have suggested significant event (P793) = cremation (Q207315) with qualifier point in time (P585) = not_known (unless that can be sourced). Dogfennydd (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
We have date of burial or cremation (P4602) for the date, maybe a new property could be useful where we can also for example indicate mass grave (Q734271) and burial at sea (Q630013) better. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
I try to find an item for 'asverstrooiing'(NL) translated to English 'Ash scattering', but I dont find it. Maybe I am not using the correct term. This is not always a public ceremony. There are also several experimental methodes to dispose of a body.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Types of data on Wikidata page.

There has been a page in the Project namespace, which was summarazing which data Wikidata accepts (i.e. data from Wikipedia, items linked from another item) etc. How is this page called. Juandev (talk) 09:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Juandev,
Do you mean Wikidata:Notability? Michgrig (talk) 11:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Oh, yes, thank you. Juandev (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Useful or not, anti-Semitic or not?

Hello, I would like your opinion regarding the fact that an editor regularly deletes the nationality from the description of the data sheets of persons of Jewish religion. I think this is an anti-Semitic editing that I said to him (the conversation was in Hungarian, and I don't know better than the Deepl/Google translator). He replied (2nd warning but no response) that he is also Jewish, which is both unverifiable and irrelevant: since the Second World War, it has not happened that someone has been stripped of their citizenship or nationality because of their Jewish religion. I don't like this way of editing: if you leave the description of the person's nationality (which often also covers the country in which he lived and worked), it is an advantage, and I see no need for someone to delete it. And the fact that he only deletes the data of people who are Jewish or who are believed to be Jewish, I think the background is that, as an anti-Semite, he denies that those whose religion is Jewish can have roots in other cultures.

I have already spoken to the editor, for now I deliberately pinged, because we already know his opinion. I'm interested in your opinions:

  • is it a constructive edit if we delete a comment about someone's nationality/citizenship from the description, and
  • can this activity be considered anti-Semitic?

Some examples (I won't quote them all, but it deletes data much more often than this): Samu Glückstahl, József Vándor/Weinberger ,Péter Ágoston/Augenstein, but the most interesting was the explanation given by the otherwise non-Jewish writer Géza Gárdonyi: he deleted the word "Hungarian" because the writer was considered Jewish because of his name: Géza Gárdonyi/Ziegler Pallor (talk) 11:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Ping Sir Morosus. While antisemitism might be the reason for those edits, there are probably other explanations – in the end, it’s probably not a terribly good idea to try to pin down the oftentimes elusive motivation of other editors. A better focus would be to look at the items in question. Now, I’m not an expert for Hungary, but I do know some challenges when dealing with 19./20. century people with complex identities:
  • Samu Glückstahl (Q124475707) was a member of the member of the Hungarian upper chamber (Q62733773). Now, I don’t speak Hungarian, but it’s hard to imagine how “magyar” (Hungarian) wouldn’t be useful for identifying this politician.
  • József Vándor (Q22696798) is called a “magyar színész” (Hungarian actor) on hu.wp and it’s generally a good idea to defer to Wikipedia usage. This person has lived his whole life in Hungary and probably held the Hungarian citizenship so removal of “magyar” is hard to understand.
  • Péter Ágoston (Q7264735) isn’t called “magyar” on hu.wp but is called “Hungarian” on all other language editions. Given that he even served as a member of the Hungarian government, this is quite peculiar. If there isn’t any reason that he himself resented the label “Hungarian” (for political or other reasons), I don’t quite understand how “magyar” wouldn’t be useful.
  • Géza Gárdonyi (Q221903)’s father seems to be of Saxonian descent but that’s about it. Judging from a cursory reading of several language editions, I see no good reason not to use “Hungarian” in his description.
Again, I don’t speak Hungarian and although I do know about bits and pieces of Hungarian politics (especially regarding citizenship and national minorities), I don’t claim to understand all the subtleties of the semantics of “magyar”. Bot from an outsider’s perspective, there seems to be something off about those removals. --Emu (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Generally, Wikidata descriptions should be based on the descriptions of the items in question. For people how are {{P|27}} {{Q|Q28}}, adding Hungarian to the descriptions should be straightforward. If the description says that someone is a member of the Hungarian upper chamber and that chamber has a requirement of it's members being Hungarian, I feel like "member of the Hungarian upper chamber" feels more concise than "Hungarian member of the Hungarian upper chamber". If we look at {{Q|177903}} the description doesn't say "Hungarian King of Hungary" but just "King of Hungary". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that for Samu Glückstahl (Q124475707), in this edit which removes "magyar", "felsőházi" in Hungarian does not specifically mean the Hungarian upper chamber, but simply the upper chamber of any bicameral legislature. So, fundamentally, there is nothing left that associates this person with Hungary. It is as if we described (say) Ted Kennedy as a "senator" without saying anything about what country. - Jmabel (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #615

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Translations are available.

Discussions

Events

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • MediaWiki:Gadget-dataDrainer.js - this userscript allows you to delete the data of an item. You can choose what you want to delete: labels and/or descriptions and/or aliases and or sitelinks.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

  • There is a new update relative to the experiment with splitting the Wikidata Query Service graph. A project page for the experiment has also been published.
  • WMDE is currently conducting a research on Knowledge Equity in Linked Open Data. The goal is to try to better understand how the use of Wikidata, Wikibase Suite, and Wikibase Cloud both support knowledge equity and create barriers to knowledge equity when people are contributing historically and structurally marginalized knowledge and perspectives. If you are interested in participating in this project, please fill out this survey!

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development

  • The new mul language code is now ready for beta testing. You can find out more at Help talk:Default values for labels and aliases.
  • The graph split testing for the Wikidata Query Service has started. Please find more details in the "Other Noteworthy Stuff" section above.
  • IP Masking: We are continuing the work on adapting Wikibase for the upcoming IP Masking feature, so that IP addresses for non-logged-in users are no longer published.
  • Wikibase REST API:
    • We finished the route for getting and removing a sitelink from an Item (phab:T344039, phab:T344685) and we continue work on the one for adding/ replacing and modifying a sitelink on an Item (phab:T342987, phab:T342988)
    • We now handle of case sensitive statement IDs in GET, PUT, PATCH and DELETE requests as HTTP redirect (phab:T354261)
    • We documented the differences in sitelink data structure between Wikibase REST API and Action API responses (phab:T355659)
    • We fixed the bug where sitelink data did not include badges (phab:T355293)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

Announcing the results of the UCoC Coordinating Committee Charter ratification vote

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Dear all,

Thank you everyone for following the progress of the Universal Code of Conduct. I am writing to you today to announce the outcome of the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee Charter. 1746 contributors voted in this ratification vote with 1249 voters supporting the Charter and 420 voters not. The ratification vote process allowed for voters to provide comments about the Charter.

A report of voting statistics and a summary of voter comments will be published on Meta-wiki in the coming weeks.

Please look forward to hearing about the next steps soon.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 18:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Occupations and professions: what should they be instances and subclasses of?

There is still no clear guide what occupations and professions should be instances and subclasses of: should they be instances of occupation (Q12737077) or subclasses of occupation (Q12737077)? If they should be instances of occupation (Q12737077), what should they be subclasses of? This question turns up every now and then and has not been settled, yet, as far as I see. It seemed to me the status quo that occupations should be direct or indirect instances of occupation (Q12737077) and direct or indirect subclasses of person (Q215627).

Currently I find myself in a discussion with CV213. The discussion takes place at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Occupations_and_professions#What_should_worker_(Q327055)_be_an_instance_/_subclass_of?. I think more people should join for a (hopefully conclusive) decision. I don't really care which way of modelling should be chosen, as long as we have a foundation for consistent modelling of occupations afterwards that does not change every 5 years without any discussion just because some new editor does not like the current way of modelling. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem is the classic one of instance becoming a subclass as soon as its subdivided. This is fixed by having a X_type which all things are instance of (P31) off, and then using subclass of (P279) to see how they are related. See light cruiser (Q778129)} which is a ship type (Q2235308) and then using subclass of (P279) is a cruiser < warship < ship < watercraft. You could have occupation_type. Vicarage (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure about your suggestion for the problem at hand but I did not phrase my question well, probably.
Supposing that x subclass of y means "everything that is an x is also an y" (e.g. everything that is a light cruiser (Q778129) is a cruiser (Q104843)) what do you think solves the expression "everything that is a worker (Q327055) is a y"? Do you think y = occupation (Q12737077) or y = person (Q215627)? This is what CV213 and I are arguing about. According to CV213 y should be occupation (Q12737077), I think y should be person (Q215627). And what do you think worker (Q327055) should be itself? Should it be an occupation type or should it be an occupation? If worker (Q327055) should be an occupation type, what should be the type of profession (Q28640)? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
No idea, I was answering your initial question about instances and sub-classes. Vicarage (talk) 10:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Reporting errors in LOC?

I noticed the date of birth (P569) for Gakuryū Ishii (Q1343099) currently has two conflicting values: 1957 and 1975. The latter seems incorrect, but it is sourced to the Library of Congress. Merely removing the incorrect piece of information will just lead to some bot readding it in the future. So how does one go about notifying the LOC of this error? Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? Gabbe (talk) 02:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The incorrect value should be have its rank set as deprecated, and a reason for deprecated rank (P2241) qualifier added. This, as opposed to simply deleting the value, should prevent a bot from re-adding it. As for the LOC, they have a page to report errors, so that may be a good avenue to investigate? M2Ys4U (talk) 04:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I have reported many errors through many channels to the LoC. They never reply, they never fix. --Emu (talk) 17:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata threshold of notability

I'm wondering whether Q109648610 belongs here. It appears to be someone creating an item about themself, mostly linking their social media accounts. It is not clear to me that this meets Wikidata's current threshold of notability, but I don't feel I'm active enough here to know how that is currently applied in practice. - Jmabel (talk) 03:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

✓ Deleted by Lymantria --Emu (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata's equivalent of AutoWikiBrowser

Hi there, I'm Prodraxis. I'm from enwiki and I know very little about Wikidata as I've only been editing for a few days by now. I just wanted to know if there was an equivalent of AutoWikiBrowser for Wikidata that I can use to make repetitive edits as I've frankly found that there's so many pages to update because looking up items with "Nur-Sultan" in their labels and changing them to "Astana" manually over and over again can get tedious. Thanks for your help. Regards Prodraxis (talk) 03:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Try QuickStatements. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Be sure to add the old names as aliases. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
@Matěj Suchánek, @Sjoerddebruin: Thank you so much! Prodraxis (talk) 15:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Image Submission Retrieval for Wiki Loves Monuments UK Project

Hello, Wikidata Community!

I am working on a project related to the Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest, with the goal of visualising the contributions from participants between 2013 and 2023. My current approach involves querying Wikidata to identify images linked to the contest, specifically targeting submissions associated with heritage designations listed on the contest’s eligible buildings list

Current Method:

  1. Heritage Designation Querying: I select items based on heritage designations (e.g., Scheduled Monuments, various Grades of Listed Buildings) using their specific Wikidata Q numbers.
  2. Image Info Retrieval: For each heritage item with an associated image (P18 property), I query the Wiki Common api for getting the image author and submission date using the image URL.
  3. Date Filtering: I specifically filter for images submitted during September of each year from 2013 to 2023, aligning with the contest period.

Challenges:

  1. My method has identified a significant number of items, but there's a discrepancy between the numbers I've retrieved and the official statistics of submissions for the contest years.
  2. Filtering submissions by date and removing duplicates, resulting in 775 refined items. However, comparing this outcome with the official Wiki Loves Monuments statistics, which recorded 12,851 contributions for 2023 alone, suggests that my method may be missing significant data.This leads me to question whether I'm capturing all relevant submissions accurately.

Request:

  1. Could members of the community suggest a more efficient or accurate approach for retrieving Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest submissions, especially regarding the use of date filters?

I would greatly appreciate any feedback, suggestions, or examples of queries that could improve the accuracy and completeness of my data retrieval process.

Thank you in advance for your time and support! UnChampignon (talk) 10:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query is the place to ask for tricky SPARQL queries Vicarage (talk) 12:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thank you! i have post my query to be refined on the page. UnChampignon (talk) 13:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Most of the discrepancy in numbers I suspect is explained by Wikidata not sitelinking to individual images, but rather albums or categories on Commons. Likewise Wikidata items only links to a representative image via P18, which could be one of many. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, I definitely think my method should be refined. Do you happened to know how to get the individual images, maybe through Wiki Common api and linking backward to wikidata items? UnChampignon (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
All the images submitted to Wiki Loves Monuments have a template tracking the year and the country, like for 2023 in the UK. For the UK you find all the submitted images in the subcategories of c:Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments in the United Kingdom. Multichill (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

talk:Q124519704

Someone has copied and pasted an article to talk:Q124519704. I am not sure from where but it’s obvious and very likely a copyright violation. How best to deal with this? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Malcolmxl5: I deleted it as "out of scope". I am not sure, is Q124519704 notable for Wikidata? Estopedist1 (talk) 16:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
@Estopedist1. Thanks. I don’t know if Q124519704 is notable for Wikidata. It appears to be part of the Presbyterian Church of India. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Palestinian Refugee Camp

What should be the standard to denote a "Palestinian" Refugee Camp? it would be an instance of refugee camp (Q622499) but how to make it "Palestinian", they are in multiple "Countries" or regions. Uwe a (talk) 03:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

located in/on physical feature (P706)? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
it can have multiple country (P17) values BrokenSegue (talk) 16:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue@Sjoerddebruin But there are Palestinian refugee camps in other countries, so how would that signify if it contains Palestinian refugees? Kk.urban (talk) 01:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Precisely as @Kk.urban wrote. Uwe a (talk) 04:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
How about occupant (P466) Vicarage (talk) 06:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Or could intended public (P2360) work? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 08:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

P6276

Is Amazon Music artist ID (P6276) working alright? Because if I click on the examples or other links it doesn't take me to the correct place. Nobody (talk) 07:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Not sure where it's supposed to go, but when I click on the first two example links on the property they go to a Spanish language version of the artist's page. If I'm in incognito mode it goes to an English language version, with identical URLs Piecesofuk (talk) 09:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Huh. I tried that too, and both the normal and the incognito windows go to the Spanish version of the artist's page (which makes sense to me, since I am in a Spanish-speaking country and my phone's OS is in Spanish). The property seems to be working fine either way. –FlyingAce✈hello 11:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Weird. If i open the link on Queen (Q15862) it takes me here. Which shows a "We are unable to complete your action" message. Nobody (talk) 12:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Maybe their music isn't available to stream in your country? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 13:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
But it happens on all artists links, not just them. I don't know if it's due to my location (Switzerland) or browser settings. Nobody (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Amazon Music isn't listed under Switzerland on this page. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
That's probably the reason, yeah. Nobody (talk) 18:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Oh I just realised that my language setting on Amazon.com was set to es (Spanish), (I usually visit amazon.co.uk), so those links are working fine for me Piecesofuk (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Sjoelen

Hello,

Item Q1678863 is used for related, but distinct items. In most languages, it is used for 'sjoelen' (a.k.a. jakkolo). The English link, however, is used for en:Table shuffleboard (although en:Sjoelen also exists). The Chinese link (zh:沙狐球) seems to fit with the English link. I would like to propose the following:

  • create a new item for the English and Chinese articles
  • alter the English link in the existing item
  • remove the Chinese link from the existing item

A second opinion would be most welcome. Also, I'm not very experienced on Wikidata, so if someone else would be so kind as to implement this, that would be greatly appreciated as well. Richardw (talk) 10:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

As it turns out, there was already a second item (Q123399387). Huntster has sorted things out and everything should be in its proper place now. Thanks, Huntster! Richardw (talk) 09:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Richardw, no worries! — Huntster (t @ c) 14:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Inception versus Incorporation for locations

I have noticed a large number of error messages in places of birth and death in instance_of=human because a location did not exist when a person was born or died. The problem is that we have been using inception= instead of incorporation= for the date that the latest type of government was formed. See for example: Harmanus Barkelow (Q101116056) which has an error for Somerville as a place of birth. Look at Somerville (Q1088776) versus the infobox at w:Somerville, New Jersey. Somerville was founded/inception in the 1700s. We have at Wikidata inception=1863. That is the date of their legal incorporation as a township in New Jersey, late superseded when they reincorporated as a borough. Is there anyway we can mass migrate the data from inception= to incorporation=. It may involve migrating the existing data, or reimporting from Wikipedia. RAN (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd want all places to have an inception, with different properties when their administrative status changed. Incorporation sounds like an American term. I'd certainly be very wary of mass migration to lose the former, when what is needed for the place to be modified to have 2 or more dates. Vicarage (talk) 16:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia disambiguation pages

See: Governor Hughes (Q5589569) where we do not allow Wikimedia disambiguation pages to use "has part(s)", I think it would be useful to have the disambiguation within Wikidata. We have further entries to disambiguate than Wikipedia. For instance a news article may refer to someone only as "Governor Johnson". Should "has part(s)" be allowed? RAN (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see the fairly recent discussion here. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Looking at the discussion, it looks like a separate entry would be created called "Governor Hughes" exclusive to Wikidata? Why not just allow has part(s) at the existing Wikidata entry. It is a "Wikimedia disambiguation page" not just a Wikipedia disambiguation page. --RAN (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Are there any other opinions about allowing the disambiguation entries in a Wikimedia disambiguation entry like Governor Hughes (Q5589569)? I want to allow them, they are currently not set up for has part(s).

Q198 meaning changed

Q198 used to be about "war", as in "armed conflict between two or more parties". It has been changed to something different and I am not sure where/how to report this. Dan-kamboocha (talk) 22:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

They seem to accept the mistake on their talk pages, it slipped into a bigger batch Vicarage (talk) 23:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Looks like the changes have been self-reverted. Bovlb (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Bovlb (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Thing that is repaired

As far as I can tell at a quick survey, none of the subclasses of vehicle design (Q3075286) have an appropriate property for the thing that is repaired. car repair (Q116517986) uses the deprecated property of (P642) (which is what sent me looking). Is there a more appropriate property? If not, can someone propose one? - Jmabel (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

while "of" is deprecated there isn't really always a suitable property to replace it. BrokenSegue (talk) 16:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
It would seem to me that we have enough items about repairing, customizing, etc. that it might make sense to have a property for the object of such a process. Something analogous to product or material produced or service provided (P1056) for manufacturing. - Jmabel (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Physical location

Should "instance of physical location" physical location (Q17334923) be removed for all items that are already listed as an instance of some other kind of location? It doesn't seem useful for items like Arizona (Q816) or Solow Building (Q632019), and I don't know if it's useful for things like herbarium (Q181916) either. In fact, I don't know whether it's useful to describe anything as an instance of physical location. Kk.urban (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Seems sensiblr Vicarage (talk) 06:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
@Kk.urban: So you are saying this always calls for at least one subclass in between? - Jmabel (talk) 22:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel I don't know, I'm not that experienced with Wikidata. I do think it's weird for buildings or administrative divisions to be stated as instances of physical location, and I'm hoping users can explain or decide how it should be used. Kk.urban (talk) 23:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Several items that may be the same place

Port-Launay (Q49464915), Port-Launay (Q221280), Q49361985. At the very least the distinctions are unclear. There seem to be similar issues for quite a few places in Finistère. - Jmabel (talk) 22:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  • ceb:Port-Launay (munisipyo) (Q49464915) and ceb:Port-Launay (Q221280) are the administrative division; ceb:Port-Launay (lungsod) (Q49361985) is a populated place (one of two in the commune; the other is the hamlet of Lanvaïdic[5], which has no Wikidata item although it is the location of a chapel Q22996362). Q221280#P31 only says commune (administrative division) but Q221280#P1566 and Q221280#P6766 are only for the populated place. The disambiguated articles were created by a bot (one as a duplicate of an existing page) and it's unlikely separate items would have been created otherwise, so there would probably be no objection to merging or redirecting them. However, Wikidata is not able to ban the creation of separate administrative division and populated place pages in other Wikimedia projects, merging is not always possible, and it would be misleading to say they are duplicates - we probably need a better way to handle items such as these, using a property such as facet of (P1269) or partially coincident with (P1382) (with a qualifier) or something similar. Peter James (talk) 15:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

update items under : Wikidata:Requests for comment/semi-protection to prevent vandalism on most used Items

I would like to update some items under the semi-protection on most used Items: namely I would like to add the values for the property Influenced by (P737). I opened discussions for those items under semi-protection but I was wondering how the procedure looks like in that case. Indeed I am doing a research on Influence and updating the Wikidata pages directly is more efficient rather than store this information I find locally! Plus I would like to add a reference link to some Influence by values already present, since I am doing it for my work it would be worth to be shared online! Traopia (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

We can grant your account a right to overcome the protections if you wish. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
that would be awesome! Traopia (talk) 15:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
✓ Done --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Request for Account Deletion - Mohsen Khajeh 1995

I am writing to request the deletion of my Wikimedia account with the username "Mohsen Khajeh 1995. Mohsen Khajeh 1995 (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

see en:Wikipedia:Username_policy#Deleting_and_merging_accounts Estopedist1 (talk) 08:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
How to rename the account name? Mohsen Khajeh 1995 (talk) 10:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
File a request at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes Infrastruktur (talk) 10:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Can i at least delete those photos i have uploaded here? Mohsen Khajeh 1995 (talk) 11:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The photos have been deleted as "unused private fotos". See the discussion you started at commons. C.Suthorn (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
That's great but why can I still see those photos? Mohsen Khajeh 1995 (talk) 11:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Maybe because you didn't clear your browser's cache. Jonathan Groß (talk) 12:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Check it out; https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=mohsen+khajeh&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image 2001:2042:2E1E:4D00:51CE:9D47:5867:4363 15:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
If you open the link then it will show my images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=mohsen+khajeh&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image Mohsen Khajeh 1995 (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Not with me. --Lymantria (talk) 15:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Duration span

I want to add a duration span with duration (P2047) (eg. 10 - 20 seconds). Is that possible in one line. I saw that some items use eg. X±Y, but 10±10 seems are bad as 15±5 would be. For me this gives an incorrect impression of the duration and target time. Do you may have any ideas? --D-Kuru (talk) 00:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

i'm not sure i understand what you are trying to say. are you trying to indicate that the duration of something is unknown and may be up to 20 and as little as 10? or something else? BrokenSegue (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The item should display that the duration (of eg. a step in processing a certain object) is at least 10 but a maximum of 20 seconds long. The desirered display would be "10 - 20 seconds" for the given example. --D-Kuru (talk) 03:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Afaik, there is no way to create spans in a single line (gods I wish there were). The best method would be to use duration (P2047) 10 nature of statement (P5102)minimum (Q10585806) 20 nature of statement (P5102)maximum (Q111305333) — Huntster (t @ c) 13:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
isn't this literally what 15±5 expresses? BrokenSegue (talk) 14:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, but OP expressed a distaste for ± expressions. I also agree with them that it gives an incorrect impression, however technically accurate it might be. — Huntster (t @ c) 15:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, if you just look at the time span itself you are technically right. But to me there is a difference between 15±5 seconds and 10-20 seconds. From my point of view the first one expresses that 15 seconds is that target, but ±5 seconds is OK (but not on the right on the 'target' of 15 seconds). The second one says that everything between 10 and 20 seconds is within the norm - so the target span really is 10 seconds long. But again: This is my own opinion. --D-Kuru (talk) 19:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

PI Bot

I understand that PI Bot is a WD bot tasked with adding links to existing pages on sister-projects, I think? However I see that most (all?) additions of new pages created on the English Wikiquote, and even on the English Wikipedia are being done by humans. Can someone please explain in regular English language jargon how this process is supposed to work?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Pi bot does a lot of things. One thing it does is making new items. It does this for multiple wikis. See for example [6]. There are other bots that do similar things e.g. User:NoclaimsBot. Optimally though new items for articles would be created by the creator of the article and populated with relevant information. An example of this would be [7]. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
It's very hard for a bot to know that the subject is the same. It would be nice to have Duplicity adapted for sister projects. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 08:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Sjoerddebruin Thanks for supplying a link to Duplicity, but I admit you totally lost me. When I click this link it takes me out of WikiData and into tool forge, where I and most other Wikimedians cannot log in, I think? I don't understand what you mean when you say it can be "adapted for sister projects". Could you please elaborate? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Toolforge is where Wikimedians host helpful tools to help with editing Wikimedia projects. You can log in there, see Wikidata:Duplicity for more information. At the moment it only supports Wikipedia, which I'm suggesting that it would be nice to have it support Wikiquote etc. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Sjoerddebruin, Ottawahitech: There is a new Wikidata Game that feels like a "Duplicity for Wikiquote".
Quote: Pi bot is thinking about creating new items for these pages, but first it wants your help to match them to existing items. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue: Thanks for providing the link to User:Pi bot. For a reason I do not understand when I typed this text into the WD searchbox it came back empty handed (still does , for me at least). With the link you provided I can see the contribution history of this BOT.
I am curious about your comment saying it is better to have new items added by the creator of a wikimedia-page. From my simplistic POV it seems that anything that can be done by a BOT is preferable because it frees up humans to do things they are better at or that they enjoy more, while BOTs can do repetitive stuff more consistently than humans, and it is easier to keep an eye on them to make sure they do nt malfunction.
Can anyone elaborate on why humans are better at adding links to existing pages on sister-projects on WD? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: in a perfect world this task would be done by machines but structuring information in a way that's suitable for wikidata is not yet easy for machines to do. pi bot tries its best but is fairly limited. BrokenSegue (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Re:structuring information in a way that's suitable for wikidata is not yet easy for machines to do
@BrokenSegue, I must say this comment gave me pause. As a human who has been attempting (mostly unsuccessfully) to contribute to WikiData since 2014 I find your statement astounding. In my experience trying to figure out this place (WD) is almost impossible for the average human, but since it seems to work so well I had always assumed that most of the information gathered here was the result of the labour of very sophisticated machines (BOTS).
Just wondering if others share my view? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @Ottawahitech:, in my opinion, one of the most important and difficult tasks is to match new articles, categories, templates, etc. in the 300 project languages to a maybe already existing wikidata object, out of 108 million existing objects, or, if not yet existing, create a new one, while trying to avoid duplicates as far as possible (e.g. by looking up by coordinates or various IDs like VIAF or IMDb, see for example de:Benutzer:M2k~dewiki/FAQ#Wie_finde_ich_ein_bestehendes_Wikidata-Objekt_zu_einem_Artikel?). For example, maybe it is just an object with the same label, but a different meaning, or, two articles have different labels in different languages, but the same meaning. Unconnected articles can be found for example at:
Every language also has a page with unconnected articles, categories, templates, ..., for example:
AutosuggestSitelink: Sample screenshot für de:Luis Giraldo
A tool to help connecting articles is the
Also see
Once a object is created and a articles are connected to the object, the object could be enriched using various bots and tools (e.g. HarvestTemplates, PetScan, QuickStatements, Export-Gadget, ...), for example:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 11:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: some kinds of information is set by bots and is relatively well done. but certain modeling decisions unfortunately remain manual. the topic of converting free-text info into structured data like Wikidata is an active area of research and is definitely not solved. the bots here are fairly basic (pi bot uses manually coded heuristics for the most part). BrokenSegue (talk) 03:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Note that Pi bot only creates new items for articles without search matches that haven't been rejected through the Wikidata games: Wikipedia and Wikiquote. Please play the games to help add matches! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

List of codes of languages

Is there a full list of codes of languages and their WD codes? Eurohunter (talk) 18:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you need any more code than whats infront of wikipedia.org (so en for english, de for german, etc.) --D-Kuru (talk) 00:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Languages supported by Wikidata can be retrieved from API: [8]. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
You could query Wikidata for a list of the mediawiki language codes, but the most up-to-date version can be gotten from the software itself - https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&meta=languageinfo&formatversion=2&liprop=code%7Cname%7Cautonym . These are different from the ISO 639 codes. Infrastruktur (talk) 09:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
I don't think it's complete but there is quite a long list available here: Meta: Names of Wikimedia languages. Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 12:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #617

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Translations are available.

Discussions

  • Open request for adminship: WT2O_2 - (RfP deadline: February 22, 2024 17:46 UTC)
  • Other: Project chat: PI Bot is an interesting conversation about the function of PI Bot in creating Stub articles and evolves into discussing ways of matching articles, categories and templates in sibling projects with their Wikidata items. Contribute to the discussion or even better, use one of the many tools posted and get linking!

Events

  • Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call February 20, 2024: In honor of Valentine's Day month, we are bringing back the popular program from last February: What's Your Wikidata Passion? What is your central Wikidata interest right now? It can be a work or personal project, even if you’re just beginning to think about it, or just what you like to edit when you have time. This is a great way to share your ideas, solicit community input and ask questions about resources or tools. This will be an open mic session, completely informal. Please add yourselves to the list on our agenda here if you would like to talk for 5 minutes or so. You can share your screen if you like, but there’s no need for slides. Or just show up and talk on the spur of the moment. This will be a community session where we welcome all to participate! Agenda
  • Workshop on Knowledge Graphs and LLMs (KaLLM) at ACL 2024. Submission Deadline: May 10, 2024 at 23:59, UTC -12h, AoE
  • Wiki Workshop 2024 ― Research Track Papers - Call for contributions. Submission deadline: April 22, 2024 (23:59 AoE)

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • User:Yair rand/DiffLists.js - this userscript changes the appearance of Recent Changes, Watchlist, Contributions, History pages, and Related Changes. It also adds filter options.
  • Wikidata Topic Curator (a rewrite of ItemSubjector into a webapp) help wikimedians add relevant topics to items. Based on a given topic QID it fetches articles matching the label, aliases or a custom user-provided term of that QID that is currently missing the main subject property.
  • Author Disambiguator - is a tool for editing the authors of works recorded in Wikidata, e.g. for finding Wikidata Items for the authors (P50 instead of 'author name string').

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development

  • IP Masking: We added redirect-related parameters to most Wikibase API modules (phab:T357024; an announcement is in the works)
  • We migrated Termbox SSR from Node 16 to 18 (phab:T355685)
  • We made the (legacy) termbox remember its expanded/collapsed state for anonymous visitors and temporary users (phab:T351976)
  • We deployed and backported several security fixes to Wikibase release branches (phab:T345064, phab:T356764)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

[Significant Change Announcement] Upcoming Changes to Wikibase API Modules: Addition of New Parameters

Hello everyone,

This is a significant change announcement relevant for some Wikibase API users.

What's Changing?

Over the coming weeks, most Wikibase API modules will gain three new parameters: returnto, returntoquery, and returntoanchor. Additionally, these API modules may return tempusercreated and tempuserredirect fields in their responses. These parameters are being added to support user interaction flows related to IP Masking.

Who’s Affected?

Only users who use the API to make anonymous edits are affected. If you don’t use the API to make edits, or if you only make authenticated edits, you can safely ignore these changes, and disregard the additional API parameters and response data.

What You Need to Do

If you use the API to make anonymous edits, the response may contain a tempusercreated string indicating the name of the temporary account that was created, and a tempuserredirect nullable string. If the tempuserredirect is not null, you should redirect the user to that URL to complete the setup for the temporary account. Afterwards, the user will automatically be returned to the current wiki; you can use the returnto, returntoquery, and/or returntoanchor parameters in your original API request to control the title, query, and anchor where the redirect returns to.

If you have any questions or concerns about this change, please don’t hesitate to reach out to us in this ticket (phab:T357024).

Cheers, -Mohammed Abdulai (WMDE) (talk) 15:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Responding to hostility to Cite Q?

ʽUser:GraemeLeggettʼ recently replaced a ̺cite Q|,,,ˌ with a detailed ̺citation ...ˌ. I asked why. ʽUser:GraemeLeggettʼ repliedː

ːI've found editing wikidata particularly clumsy and undocumented. And if wikidata is wrong or incomplete, then that's wikidata's problem, while I know how to fix it in Enwiki. And use of citeQ is not editor friendly.

See ʽWikipediaːTalk:United States Strategic Bombing Survey#Cite Qʼː

WikipediaːTalk:United_States_Strategic_Bombing_Survey#Cite_Q.

Comments? Thanks, ̴̴ DavidMCEddy (talk) 19:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

ːp.s. Why doesn't Wikidata honor the standard MediaWiki protocols? Why do I have to use a URL link to get a link to "WikipediaːTalk:United_States_Strategic_Bombing_Survey#Cite_Q"? ̴̴

What do you mean by "Wikidata doesn't honor the standard MediaWiki protocols"? You could type
[[:en:Talk:United States Strategic Bombing Survey#Cite Q]] and get the link to the page you are referring to. Michgrig (talk) 20:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
You meanː en:Talk:United States Strategic Bombing Survey#Cite Q?
How can I type that? When I try to type what I just copied and pasted from what you typed, I got ʽːenːTalkːUnited States Strategic Bombing Survey#Cite Qʼ ... NOT the same thingː I can type "[", but when I try to type a double square bracket, it gets converted into something else, and I do NOT get the desired link.
Also, how can I type a colon and get an indent? When I type a colon, it gets converted into something else. I can get an indent by copying what you typed, but I do not know how to enter that myself nor how to get a double indent.
When I type a single curly bracket character, it gets converted into something I do not recognize.
In the above, when I wanted a link to a page on Wikipedia, I had to proved the URL within a single square bracket. I see from your example that to link to the English-language Wikipedia, I need [ [ːenːWikipedia] ] (without the blank spaces, which I have so far been unable to enter except by copying what you typed). What if I want Wikiversity or Wikiquote?
As ʽUser:GraemeLeggettʼ wrote on that other page, "editing wikidata [is] particularly clumsy and undocumented" in this regard. I cannot even type a tilde character 4 times and have that appear as I type it. It's no wonder that people like ʽUser:GraemeLeggettʼ are hostile to Wikidata and deleted my link to "cite Q".
Thanks for your reply. ̴̴  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidMCEddy (talk • contribs) at 21:50‎, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
I suspect you're hitting "reply" and then having trouble with Discussion Tools. This is not specific to Wikidata, but the feature may be disabled on some projects. It doesn't solve all problems, but you may want to ensure you're in "Source" mode, not "Visual". Bovlb (talk) 01:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Try Special:Preferences → More language settings → Input → Disable input tools. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. That seems to have fixed my problems with input. I will ask User:GraemeLeggett if that helps them. DavidMCEddy (talk) 09:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Min and max values for properties like size or mass

one example of an hypothetical confidence intervals

Can these already be entered somehow? If not, could you please make this possible?

If this is not the right place to ask about or request this, please link where to ask.

Could you add ways to add things like (healthy-/common-/conventional-/standard-/…)minimum and maximum and/or confidence interval 95% value and/or things like that?

As an example and what got me wondering about this is this study which reported the mass of the reportedly likely heaviest animal that ever lived on Earth: Q121095909 (Perucetus colossus). I entered the min and max values they calculated in the study as two separate values in property "mass" but that is not how it should be and was not changed by now nor did I find another way to enter these values.

Moreover, items like Q5 (human) probably should have some structured info on height and mass which could have different types of sourced values such as the 95% CI (with min and max or ±) at some point in time. Humans aren't 20 meters tall and I wondered about this when generative AI often messed up the body sizes of animals. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting topic. The built in quantity type takes an uncertainty interval (example: Q52353), but there are some problems with that, first off while the data model allows the +/- to be unevenly distributed, the user interface won't let you input uneven uncertainty intervals. The other issue is what this interval represents. Some digging revealed there is a uncertainty corresponds to (P2571) qualifier that can be used to specify whether the interval is a standard deviation or a two sigma interval. This should be good enough to input normal distributions at least. There are also upper limit (P5448) and lower limit (P5447), presumably those solve the issue of uneven uncertainty intervals. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Clone/copy a Q?

When entering a handful of species, all in the same genus, it would be helpful to grab an existing entry, clone it, and then edit the parts that differ. Is there a way to do that? Or grab a more Wikipedia-like blank page with a template that can be copy-pasted and updated. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

There's a tool at User:Magnus Manske/duplicate item.js that does item cloning, but it should be used with great caution as it's easy to leave wrong fields, and then you get conflated identity. Bovlb (talk) 17:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
You might be better off starting with Help:QuickStatements. Bovlb (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Isn't QS significantly more work than simply removing/changing the wrong fields after cloning? Trade (talk) 21:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
It depends. If the OP wants to fill in parts of a template, and has some ability to use a programming language, then QS might be the answer. For example, QS might let them be far more thorough in adding sources. Bovlb (talk) 21:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Also, I'm not a big fan of making incorrect claims that you plan to fix later. That essentially what clone-and-change does. Bovlb (talk) 02:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I'll take a look at both tools. I am a software developer, so QS might be better for me, but my needs change depending on what I'm working on. I mostly work on taxonomic items, and some sets of changes are done in groups. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Entity under construction

Is there any good reason why building or structure under construction (Q12377751) is confined to buildings or structures? It would be useful for (for example) Meerut Metro (Q28170016) (much more appropriate than the current proposed entity (Q64728694)) but that would be a constraint violation, and I see no acceptable substitute. - Jmabel (talk) 17:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

For stuff that is already in construction I would use state of use (P5817), proposed entity (Q64728694) can also contain proposals that have never been materialised. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 18:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
agree, it would be useful if it were broad enough to apply to ships and Starlink too. Vicarage (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps a new item called "entity under construction" could be created for these wider uses? building or structure under construction (Q12377751) would then have it as a subclass. — Huntster (t @ c) 19:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Indeed, it would need work on the under construction (Q59925870) website message to ensure it was used correctly. construction (Q3875186) talks about building/infrastructure, I guess we could have a sister term 'under assembly' based on assembly (Q3625549) for other manufactured objects, all under an 'under development' umbrella to cover software, films etc. I'd have a 2 level structure, not 3. Vicarage (talk) 06:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Who said that this items is only about buildings and structures?
If we look at its "What links here", the first 10 links are:
Michgrig (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Most of those have it used as a qualifier, where the constraint is not triggered. Vicarage (talk) 22:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
That's just 10 random links. I personally use state of use (P5817) = building or structure under construction (Q12377751) in items about prospective stations of Moscow Metro (for example, Novatorskaya (Q23670655)).
By the way, using building or structure under construction (Q12377751) as a value for instance of (P31) like at Fehmarn Belt fixed link (Q18541) is extremely strange. Michgrig (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I'd have thought a tunnel being dug (or assembled as here) is a structure under construction. Vicarage (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Question about drag queens

Hi, this is perhaps a silly question. But, I'm editing an item about a drag-queen (Q107452713) and I don't know what to fill in the field "sex or gender". Does someone know how to properly fill it? Thanks. Kacamata (talk) 17:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Performing as a drag queen doesn't necessarily change your gender, it's mostly an alter ego (Q201662). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
@Sjoerddebruin Thanks for the answer. I understand that, so the gender is male? I'm asking because I never edited an item about a drag-queen. Kacamata (talk) 18:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
@Kacamata It depends. If they are male and performing, then they are male. There are females that dress as drag queens (vs. drag kings). The sex will always be the same but make sure you know for sure as some will be transgendered. So try to find out who the real person is behind them so you don’t cause any violations of BLPs for the articles that import Qs. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
@PotsdamLamb That's the problem. They are a male who dress as a drag queen. Honestly, based on the article in the pt.Wp they are not transgender, but they are always in character, so I don't even know who is the real person. Kacamata (talk) 15:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
if we don't know or unsure we can omit making a claim or clarify with sourcing circumstances (P1480). generally we don't require references for gender because it is "obvious" but for trans/GNC people it sometimes requires it BrokenSegue (talk) 15:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue Thanks for the answer. I just removed the claim for gender. Better to omit, until we got any reliable source. Again, thank all for the input. Kacamata (talk) 16:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
@Kacamata The gender can be anything. But like the answer below says with no confirmation then don’t put anything. They are not all male. A majority are but not all. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
@PotsdamLamb Yes, that's what I did. Thanks again. Kacamata (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Project or group for adding project links

I am quite active in adding project links (mostly to Wikipedia) and would be interested in communicating with others doing the same. Is there some kind of WikiProject or similar for this? If not, is there interest in creating it? - Andre Engels (talk) 07:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Andre Engels Can you be more specific as to what type of project? Wikidata is a whole project and has different projects going on as well. This project is dedicated to making sure the information is correct and everything is available and as accurate as possible, as not just Wikipedia’s pull information from it, but other entities world wide as well. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
What I'm thinking of is a project page within Wikidata for people who work on adding Wikipedia (and other project) links to items, or create Wikidata items for Wikipedia pages that do not have a corresponding item yet.- Andre Engels (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @Andre Engels: also see Wikidata:Project_chat#PI_Bot above. M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
A collection of questions that came up around this issue during severals years and links to discussions over the years can be found at de:Benutzer:M2k~dewiki/FAQ (in german language, you might use google translate). For example:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Pan-European Forum of Confraternities . English Translation

Good evening Pan-European Forum of Brotherhoods and Confraternities (Q117195501) English and Italian pages also needed. Very important (the Forum will take place on April 27-28, 2024) I created the following draft translation [[9]] Support very appreciated Grateful regards MLEKUSCH (talk) 19:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Null edits

Is it possible to make a null edit on Wikidata? How? Kk.urban (talk) 04:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

What problem are you trying to fix? Data showing up incorrectly in the query graph or data showing up incorrectly on a connected wiki? In the latter case you should be able to solve the problem by doing a mass-purge of pages on the connected wiki using a script (touch.py) that comes with pywikibot. Nulledits in the traditional sense don't work on Wikibase. But if it turns out you actually need to fix graph issues, let us know. Infrastruktur (talk) 11:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur I don't know what a query graph is, but the reason is data showing up incorrectly on a Wikidata page. Kk.urban (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
I see. A normal purge on a wikidata item will only fix page rendering issues: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13406268&action=purge . If there is something wrong with the item's data, can you post a link to the item? Infrastruktur (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur No, purge is all I needed. I just didn't know how to do it. Kk.urban (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Can someone better disambiguate these two

grandiose delusions (Q4798003) and grandiose delusions (Q987664) RAN (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Provisional appointment and deputy appointments

Hi. I'm looking for the correct way to encode a provisional appointment to a position. Normally, I would say "chairperson" and then fill the information, but if the appointment is only provisional surely there is something else to note.

Similarly, I'm looking for a way to encode deputy director/managers of an organization. David.Monniaux (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

@David.Monniaux: Not 100% sure, but I would personally go for a qualifier in that scenario. You can enter chairperson (Q140686) as position held and then add a qualifier has characteristic (P1552) with value either impermanence (Q6776685) or interim (Q4895105). Another option would be to use the qualifier valid in period (P1264) if you have more precise information about the duration of the temporary mandate. Hope this helps. Nastoshka (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! I suppose that I can similarly say "has characteristic: deputy" for somebody who is deputy director of some organization? David.Monniaux (talk) 16:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Recording current or contemporary countries for events

Should the country (P17) for the Battle of Austerlitz (Q134114) be Austrian Empire (Q131964) or the Czech Republic (Q213), a country that came into existence 188 years afterwards. Please give your opinions at Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Current_or_contemporary_location_and_country_for_events , where @Romaine and I are at loggerheads. Vicarage (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

An unexpected effect of Covid-19 on the Wikidata project?

Updated overview.

Here's an interesting statistic - this is an aggregation of blocked people per month. Look at what happened early 2020 which coincides with Covid-19. You can ignore the spike in blocks from when Wikidata first was established because that's expected and normal.

Do you think Covid-19 really affected Wikidata as badly as the graph would suggest? What are your thoughts? Infrastruktur (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Infrastruktur: This is certainly very interesting. I wonder if a similar phenomenon occurred across all wmf-wikis. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Could partially be related to the introduction of CheckUsers at Wikidata. We have those since late April 2020. Additionally, I think we have some more activity on the counter-vandalism front, also from admins who use the tools much more actively than what was common before. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
re: introduction of CheckUsers
I did not know that CheckUsers were only introduced to WD recently (when?),@MisterSynergy. If this is the reason for the increased number of blocked users, that would mean the increase is attributed to users identified as sock-puppets, wouldn't it? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Since May 2020. There were some pushback against it back then Trade (talk) 22:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Trade, @MisterSynergy.
Does anyone remember why there was support for adding Wikidata:CheckUsers here? and why only in 2020? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Wikidata had an issue of freelancers/SEO specialists who keep recreating the same spam items biweekly, daily and even multiple times a day using a different account/IP each time the previous one was banned. This in turn left some users who keep nominating their items for deletion feeling powerless against the LTAs who (seemingly) never faced any long term consequences
Before the creation of Checkuser, every Checkuser request on Wikidata needed to be requested through to a Stewart on Meta-Wiki which discouraged users due to being uneccesarily bureaucratic and placing an unfair burden on the requester
Why only in 2020? Probably due to the low amount of active users compared to the project size and because no one bothered to make a fuzz about it in 2020 Trade (talk) 22:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Idea: we employ Abuse filter more than before, which is capable of blocking users.
Still, interesting finding. 2020-2021 correlate quite well with the pandemic's intensity. But unlike the world, this didn't recover. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Good theories. I updated the statistics to check what the impact of checkusers or abusefilters was. It doesn't seem to explain the whole increase, but increased anti-vandal activity is still a likely explanation Infrastruktur (talk) 10:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Issue - Desynching

Hello. Working on simple wiki we have under 100 items that are desynched on taxonbars. En has over 3k. I’m trying to figure out how to fix this. One example is Q30766361 and if you look at both simple and en we have the same errors. We have a lot of articles I need to put a taxonbar on, but I’d like to know how to remedy this situation so I can fix it as it comes up. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

For some pages that haven't been edited on simplewiki, it seems the ParserCache stopped updating around 21 December 2023 for some odd reason. I guess report to Phabricator so they can figure it out? Infrastruktur (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
@Infrastruktur Do you know what task # or should I make a new task? If so, what project? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
You may get better feedback at Wikidata:Report a technical problem. Bovlb (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@Bovlb Thanks I posted it there. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Transcripts of news/tv/etc programs

I am trying to locate a transcript of a very interesting TV program I watched on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell recently. I looked at the wikidata item hoping there was a link to a web page where transcripts are stored and came back empty handed. Just wondering if there is a WD Statement (I think I am using the correct WD jargon) for this purpose.

Am I making sense? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

You probably already found https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/show/the-last-word . I'm not aware of an appropriate property. Bovlb (talk) 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
@Bovlb, thanks so much for locating the link, and correcting my use of the WD jargon.
I still believe there should be a property linking transcipts for the program with appropriate items such as The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell (Q7746206) . How would one make a proposal for a new property? Or is there another way for including this type of information?
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
you might want to look at Wikidata:Property proposal BrokenSegue (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, @BrokenSegue
I briefly checked the link provided above and was happy to see that property proposals are currently divided by topic:
  • Generic (16)
  • Authority control (7)
  • Person (9)
  • Oganization and politics (9)
  • Sports (6)
  • Creative work (7)
  • Place (10)
  • Sister projects (0)
  • Transportation (2)
  • Natural science (6)
  • Computing (4)
  • Lexemes (12)
  • Pending proposals
  • Ready for creation (3)
I also see I would have to find the time to study 2 policies carefully:
Just wondering how long this should take to accomplish? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Ottawahitech: how long it takes really depends. if the proposal is uncontroversial and you bug people to approve it it can go down in maybe a couple weeks. others you may see last for a very very long time. I don't really understand what your proposal is so it's hard to say. Are you trying to make a new URL property that links to a website that hosts the transcript of an episode of a program? Or a website with archives for an entire series? BrokenSegue (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
First one presumably Trade (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
The second.
I have been trying to find appropriate quotes for the English Wikiquote and I often watch TV programs with a wealth of information, but it would take me way too long to try and extract quotes from the TV program directly. If I had easy access to a website with archives for an entire series, it would help me, and others extract quotes more easily.
As an example yesterday I watched The Source with Kaitlan Collins (Q124677056) who interviewed Volodymyr Zelenskyy (Q3874799) which contained some eyeopeners, at least for me. If I had easy access to transcripts for this program, I (or someone else) would be able to share quotes with others Ottawahitech (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: you could also consider using described at URL (P973) with some qualifier indicating it's a transcript website. i'll note that some people will likely object to this since transcripts are copyrighted and so this might be facilitating piracy. BrokenSegue (talk) 22:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

How to add references to statements

I am trying to change the date of birth of Sharyn Alfonsi (Q7490514) based on information from the English Wikipedia but I am unable to add the reference. I am pretty sure I have added references to statements before but I cannot remember how I did it. I also remember having trouble adding references before.

Is there a Help file somewhere that explains how to add references and if so how can one find such a help-file.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech Hi, Have a look at Wikidata:Tours#References and Help:Sources Nastoshka (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Nastoshka.
I should explain I am not a regular contributor at Wikidata and my memory fades fast. I know ideally I should take this tutorial and others, but I just do not have extra time at the moment. I am looking for a concise help file, not a long tutorial. Does WD have one? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what isn't working. You click "add reference" and then pick the kind of reference (most often "reference url") and then type the value. BrokenSegue (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Please note that we need a better source than (the English) Wikipedia, also because WD:BLP applies. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
does a date of birth count as a "Statements that can reasonably be expected to be challenged" per BLP? BrokenSegue (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes of course. Were you born yesterday? Do you challenge that? If so, please type your full name, date of birth, home address, and social security number. -Animalparty (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Proper code

I am trying to resolve an error from something that was copied over.

The wd pull statement the editor put in is:
ietf={{wikidata|property|references|P305}}

In the ref section it shows:
Error: Unable to display the reference properly. See the documentation for details.

I copied the info box from en:Gascon dialect. You can see the error there as well. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: if you see Q35735, then there IETF language tag (P305) has two overlapping references. It may be the source of error. Are both references needed there? Estopedist1 (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
@Estopedist1 I took one of the references out (the pre 1500 year one) and it still shows the same error. I have even purged and waited a minute before doing it again. So I think I am safe to say, that is not working. I even changed the pull from references to reference. Any other suggestions? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 07:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I also tried with wd instead of wikidata; no avail. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 07:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
looks like it was the subtitle field that was breaking it. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Major issue with P3124

Just to let everyone know, a critical issue related to Polish scientist ID (deprecated) (P3124) has occured in the last 24 hours and this identifier is simply not working at the moment. What's more, it is very likely it won't work permanently. As this is an issue very much related to Poland and also affecting Polish Wikipedia, the discussion on possible ways of resolving it is currently being held in Polish language in the technical chat of Polish Wikipedia, namely here. I don't think we should have a separate discussion here, it's probably better to keep it in one place, but if anyone would like to contribute any thoughts or ideas, please feel invited to join us, even in English. Powerek38 (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I kindly want to know how to put up a biography for an individual on Wikipedia

Please kindly help me through with the process of getting a biography of an individual on Wikipedia, a professional Footballer, who needs his information shared on Wikipedia when searched for 197.210.55.126 16:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

This is not related to Wikidata and until someone finds them relevant enough for inclusion there is always a personal website. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:23, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
My home wikipedia would consider a top-tier professional footballer notable (eligible for a page) but this should be ascertained before you start writing. It's better to ask people on the Wikipedia that you consider writing a bio for. If it's notable for a wikipedia it's automatically notable for wikidata. Most such pages ends up being a short summary of the player's career (avoid making it look like a CV or a marketing brochure) and some key figures and a so-called infobox. But there are some highly notable players with quite the long pages too e.g. en:Ole Gunnar Solskjær. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Designing a new Wishlist: Meet Jack, the new Lead Community Tech Manager

Hello community, I want to introduce Jack Wheeler, who has recently joined the Wikimedia Foundation as the Lead Community Tech Manager and is responsible for the Future of the Wishlist.

Jack would like to have a conversation with the community, to get input for the design of the new Wishlist Survey, starting with how to define a "Wish."

Community Tech would appreciate you chatting with him; your input will be invaluable.

You can check out Jack's first message to the community, where you can find a link to proceed to book time to talk to him, or share your ideas.

Best regards,

On behalf of the Community Tech team, STei (WMF) (talk) 11:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism from 2001:448A:50E

IPv4:

  1. Special:Contributions/36.68.219.160 -- Kaytha Coker (Q6380711)
  2. Special:Contributions/36.81.143.114
  3. Special:Contributions/36.81.188.76
  4. Special:Contributions/36.81.192.108
  5. Special:Contributions/36.82.133.220
  6. Special:Contributions/61.5.127.111 -- ..., Kaytha Coker (Q6380711), ...


IPv6:

  1. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:386:745E:5FE0:3677:73BA -- Kirara Hoshi (Q11512691), Reo Sawada (Q11565958), Hirona Murata (Q5354384)
  2. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:931B:B9FA:FE49:91DC:3914 -- Lina Thiede (Q62078578), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  3. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:C4C0:4855:7D69:97F2:E5B7 -- Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  4. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:E9A8:B99A:E8D2:51A3:1734 -- Yuuki Matsuda (Q8062131), Satsuki Yukino (Q49580), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  5. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:F58F:6133:C7B:AB42:3FCE -- Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  6. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:6677:5D45:785:F9BB:8FE8 -- Mariya Ise (Q1333938), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  7. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:7AD0:759D:7896:D09F:75B5 -- Aki Shimazaki (Q417916), Peter von Gomm (Q6073503)
  8. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:B8C8:300D:B551:3E2E:A035 -- Maddalena Vadacca (Q3842289)
  9. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E2:6E24:FD5B:4ADF:7AF5:9CC9 -- Keiko Mukaide (Q6383687)

@NicoScribe, Xezbeth, Anr, Madamebiblio: fyi, each of you reverted some of it.

Is it possible to have a special page where the vandalism from that range can be tracked? CV213 (talk) 19:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't familiar with this vandal until they started on Wikidata, but I believe they're an LTA that's been plaguing EN and JP Wikipedias for years (see this edit for an example). It will probably just switch to a different range if this one is locked down. —Xezbeth (talk) 20:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Here's an overview of previous blocks, local and global:
86 668206155 2023-11-20 11:06:15 Yahya 2001:448A:50E0:0:0:0:0:0/48 ipv6range 1 month nocreate True
0 666645194 2022-08-04 06:57:28 Lymantria 36.82.133.220 ipv4 31 hours anononly,nocreate True
1 666656952 2022-08-08 14:28:17 Emu 36.82.133.220 ipv4 2 weeks anononly,nocreate True
0 45885557 2022-02-11 14:40:25 علاء 36.81.0.0/16 ipv4range anonymous only expiration 14:40, 11 March 2022
Blocks this wide are usually rather short. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
By the way, the WDPD tool lists contributions for users with block history, that should be one good way to spot returning LTAs. Infrastruktur (talk) 23:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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