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Riksdagen person-ID
identifier at data.riksdagen.se

Description	The identifier for people in the Swedish Riksdag (Parliament) database
Applicable "stated in" value	Swedish Parliament database (Q21592569)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	person (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	\d{9,13} (numeric string,9 to 13 digits)
Example	Maria Arnholm (Q3540867) → 0758652610 Elisa Abascal Reyes (Q4933527) → 0643844865712
Source	http://data.riksdagen.se/Data/Ledamoter
Formatter URL	https://data.riksdagen.se/personlista/?iid=$1&utformat=html https://data.riksdagen.se/person/$1 https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/ledamoter-partier/ledamot/_$1
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1214 (Q55089903)
Related to country	Sweden (Q34) (See 117 others)
See also	electoral district (P768), PACE member ID (P1331), Swedish Parliament person GUID (P8388), Swedish Riksdag document ID (P8433), SWERIK ID (P12192)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1214 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 5,900 Main statement 2,113 35.8% of uses Qualifier 2 <0.1% of uses Reference 3,785 64.2% of uses
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Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Single value, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Format “0\d{9,12}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Format, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P21, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “country of citizenship (P27): Sweden (Q34)”: Items with this property should also have “country of citizenship (P27): Sweden (Q34)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P27, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “occupation (P106): politician (Q82955)”: Items with this property should also have “occupation (P106): politician (Q82955)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P106, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “member of political party (P102)”: Items with this property should also have “member of political party (P102)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P102, search, SPARQL

Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P569, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “given name (P735)”: Items with this property should also have “given name (P735)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P735, search, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Item “position held (P39): member of the Swedish Riksdag (Q10655178), member of the European Parliament (Q27169)”: Items with this property should also have “position held (P39): member of the Swedish Riksdag (Q10655178), member of the European Parliament (Q27169)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P39, search

Item “work location (P937): Stockholm (Q1754), Strasbourg (Q6602), City of Brussels (Q239)”: Items with this property should also have “work location (P937): Stockholm (Q1754), Strasbourg (Q6602), City of Brussels (Q239)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Item P937, search

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1214#Scope, SPARQL

Pattern ^([\da-f]{8}-[\da-f]{4}-[\da-f]{4}-[\da-f]{4}-[\da-f]{12})$ will be automatically replaced to \1 and moved to Swedish Parliament person GUID (P8388) property. Testing: TODO list

new ID

Riksdagen tells us to change value see T235521

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T235521

- Salgo60 (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• If the identifier scheme changes, you need to propose a new property. Values shouldn't be overwritten. --- Jura 21:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jura1: please explain why or call me 0046705937579. I had a meeting last month with the people at the Swedish Parlament IT department see T235527 they will run in parallell the old and new id (is a guid) and then it will be killed

I have created a task for me to convert them see T235521

- Salgo60 (talk) 23:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

We don't delete information from Wikidata once the source websites is discontinued or changed. Wikidata users should still be able to use the (old) identifiers.

For the new identifier, please use Wikidata:Property proposal. --- Jura 23:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jura1: Lydia had on telegram Wikidata a mature discussion about what to do with depreciated data and it depends...

I know this dataset good and has followed your advice in other user stories like Libris-URI (P5587) see request link that is a new parameter replacing e.g. SELIBR ID (P906)

This user case is

• The owner of the data tell us we have the wrong data
• The current value works in parallell with the old value
• I have seen so far no one external using Wikidata values directly and compared to Libris-URI (P5587) its very few users
• We have already started to convert some ....

- Salgo60 (talk)

Maybe Lydia could comment here. She rarely edits and I think the creation of a phabricator ticket might have been an error: developers aren't involved in content decisions. --- Jura 00:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• Phabricator
  • I use phabricator for all things i do with Wikidata see changes WMSE-Magnus Sälgö changelog
• Lydia comment in Telegram yesterday was about depreciate value or not or delete and as always I feel she is just open to what feels best
• Proposal created that I  Oppose ;-) see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid as Type Person (feels like list Authority has a bug that I didnt fix...) - Salgo60 (talk) 01:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

position held (P39) and work location

Is there a problem with the way the constraints were defined? Why were they removed? --- Jura 21:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

You can have an ID without being a member of the Riksdag (examples : Q4949040, Q16595498, Q4979205, Q234872). --Rashinseita (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

So it would be member or minister (also Stockholm) or MEP (not Stockholm)? --- Jura 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with that. (I didn't see other cases). --Rashinseita (talk) 09:17, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Fixed the constraint. Finds people like Q5992996 who lacked a P39. --- Jura 21:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Repair needed

It appears that the content has become partially unusable as some of the identifiers of this property were overwritten and are no longer in Wikidata. Users attempting to process database dumps get this identifier (see explanation by @Popperipopp: at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid).

The proposed way to solve is it to create a separate property for the other identifier and restore the old data. Accordingly, please support the proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid.

@Rashinseita, Esquilo, Lokal Profil: as you contributed to this property. --- Jura 08:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

So far I have not seen a single "new" 36-byte identifier actually work (as in the link leading to data and not a 404). All "old" (all digit) identifiers I have seen have worked. That is why I have replaced "new" identifiers with "old" ones when I come across one. /ℇsquilo 11:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why this is. Have identifiers changed? If you go to this page and select a person from the first drop down you land on a page that uses the new style ID in the url. Also, the liked images and person pages use the new style. Seems more future proof to have both. Belteshassar (talk) 10:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• If so, we could close the proposal and just restore the property values we had a year ago. --- Jura 11:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Ainali salgo60 Belteshassar so9q Vätte Popperipopp Tulipasylvestris Esquilo Daniel Mietchen — with focus on topics related to research (Q42240) VisbyStar Haxpett QubeCube Marcus.linneberg Vitplister Spisen Sollentuna Myohmy671 Autom S4b1nuz E.656

Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden --- Jura 09:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@ℇsquilo, Belteshassar, Popperipopp, Jura, Ainali: please give example of errors and let me know which direction we move so can I try to fix it...

• Background: I had a meeting oct 29 2019 with the people in charge of this identifier see T235527#5615454 and they told us to use the guid as the short version will not be supported in the future see task T235521
• I created a proposal for the new identifier see d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid and then it stalled
• I think Ainali and I spoke about that we should have both but change the rank for the guid as prefered.
• Examples
  • Maria Arnholm (Q3540867) old id 0758652610 new 83345459-cc17-4d4a-b2bb-3748a0f3721c
  • List with links www.riksdagen and data.riksdagen.se/personlista

- Salgo60 (talk) 12:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

From what I've seen, the "old" identifier is always present in data dumps and API calls from data.riksdagen.se whereas the "new" identifier is sometimes present. I see no reason to replace the current identifier with the new one. Who knows how long it will take Riksdagen to complete their updates? With that said, I think it's a good idea to add a new Wikidata property for the new identifier, clearly stating that it is, in fact, different from the old one. Mixing the two complicates things considerably when merging data from Riksdagen with Wikidata items. Popperipopp (talk) 12:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Popperipopp: give examples so can I ask the people at data.riksdagen.se they are easy speaking with and can easy tell us why it is in one way or the other...

• did a Jupyter Notebook accesssing the data at Riksdagen and found
• 1991 records with the new sourceid - everyone had
• 1874 records with the old intressent_id

I guess they dont give new members the old id

- Salgo60 (talk) 12:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The CSV file with MPs 1990- found on the page Ledamöter only has the old identifiers. Popperipopp (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok then I suggest we create a new property see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid I did a Swedish video of what Popperipopp found and I guess its easier have two separate properties - Salgo60 (talk) 14:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad this is finally sorted out, whatever the reasons for the detour. --- Jura 14:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)